flaw splitting with ifoedit

[webber]

Hi

New to this forum I salute all.
I have splited the YES symphonic live DVD with ifoedit because I think that the dts sound deserves to be preserved, the question is that the dvd plays well on DVDplay of ifoedit and on windvd also, but on the standalone only plays the legal warning and the intro, which are in vts 2, and when it comes to the dvd menu it stops.
When I burned it, nero gave me the message "fail to reallocate video files, the dvd may not play on a standalone player" so, I had to burn it as an iso/udf and manually create the audio ts and video ts folders.
I've downloaded dvdremake which gives this message when importing the dvd: "recovering incorrect tables" but the I cannot export the dvd because it is the demo.
This dvd of a yes concert has 2 titles
Here is the original video_ts.ifo


Number of Title Play Maps: 2 (VMG_PTT_SRPT)
Title 1: VTS_01_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 2) (Chapters: 14) (Start Sector 35)
Title 2: VTS_02_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 1) (Start Sector 4014664)

Number of Video Title Sets on this DVD: 2 (VMG_VTS_ATRT)
Title Set 1:
VTS_1 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
VTS_1 Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 Audio 2: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 Audio 3: Not Specified (DTS ) 5ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )

Title Set 2:
VTS_2 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
VTS_2 Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 Audio 2: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )


First play PGC: (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)

Menu Language Units: 1
Language Menu Unit 1: [English]

Language Menu Unit 1: [English]
Menu 1: [Title-Menu] (entry PGC) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
-----------------------------------------------------------------


AND HERE IS VIDEO_TS. IFO FROM DISK ONE



VMG Overview:

Video Manager Menu attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )

Number of Title Play Maps: 2 (VMG_PTT_SRPT)
Title 1: VTS_01_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 2) (Chapters: 6) (Start Sector 35)
Title 2: VTS_02_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 1) (Start Sector 4014664)

Number of Video Title Sets on this DVD: 2 (VMG_VTS_ATRT)
Title Set 1:
VTS_1 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
VTS_1 Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 Audio 2: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 Audio 3: Not Specified (DTS ) 5ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_1 SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )

Title Set 2:
VTS_2 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
VTS_2 Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 Audio 2: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )


First play PGC: (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)

Menu Language Units: 1
Language Menu Unit 1: [English]

Language Menu Unit 1: [English]
Menu 1: [Title-Menu] (entry PGC) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)


The menu has 14 songs (14 chapters) divided in two sets of 7 songs each.
there is another menu for the animations (2º angle) and for the Icon.
These animations (second angle) only are available at the beginning and at the end of some chapters. A icon is displayed on the screen to inform when the animations are viewable. this icon also can be disabled on this second menu.
Since I have done everything well and the dvd plays well on the pc I would like to know if there is a way to find out where the problem is? Is there some software that can analyze and report back where the problem is? or better, if I buy this dvdremake will this software correct the problem? This ifoedit tool is quite fantastic if it wasn't for this issue, so if there were another program that could point the way to correct this problem, it would be great.



Any help is appreciated because I prefer to have full quality, even with two dvds, specially when dts sound and a music dvd are involved. Also would like to learn how to make a real total copy of the dvd with all the menus too without any cuts. Thanks

[2COOL]

Welcome to the forum!

So you splitted your DVD but which disk is giving you problems? What files did you have in your original DVD? Did you copy your menus across to your second disc folder?

[Dimad]

Originally posted by webber
Hi
...or better, if I buy this dvdremake will this software correct the problem?

Well, DvdReMake will for sure correct many problems it finds while importing DVD. But it does not mean that it will make a playable DVD out of anything you will try to import. Say you processed dvd with some other software and it produced some bad fields in vob files.

There is no way DvdReMake can distinguish whether it was intentionally authored like this or it is an error introduced by processing software.

It is assumed that you start with correctly authored disk. All modifications you do to the disk in the DvdReMake will just keep it valid (unless you change navigation commands to something bogus).

DvdReMake should treat multi angle disks correctly. Although it may have problems with multi angle movies when angles are "linked in DSI" - I just had no chance of actually testing this. But it looks like one have to look hard to find such disk. There was a problem reported with interleaved cells in 1.0.1, but it is fixed in 1.1

[webber]

Thank you for the reply

Disk one is giving me the problem, however I suppose that disk two also ( I did not burned it yet because it gives me the same warning as disk one on nero). however I must say that disk one (and disk two) plays perfectly on the PC with winDVD and with DVDplay (except for the warning message that I display at the bottom), all the menus work, the angles, the icon, even when selecting the songs that are on disk 2 on the disk one menu, it jumps to the last song of disk one and vice-versa.

<<<<What files did you have in your original DVD?>>>>>>
Original dvd files after dvd decrypter:

Full disk:

I:\Yes\VIDEO_TS
===============

VIDEO_TS.BUP 12288
VIDEO_TS.IFO 12288
VIDEO_TS.VOB 14336
VTS_01_0.BUP 124928
VTS_01_0.IFO 124928
VTS_01_0.VOB 93327360 -VTS_01_0.vob has all the menus.
VTS_01_1.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_2.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_3.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_4.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_5.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_6.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_7.VOB 1073709056
VTS_01_8.VOB 612386816
VTS_02_0.BUP 12288
VTS_02_0.IFO 12288 -title 2
VTS_02_1.VOB 7325696


Disk one after ifoedit:

I:\Yes\yes ifoedit\Disc1\VIDEO_TS
=================================

VIDEO_TS.BUP 12288
VIDEO_TS.IFO 12288
VIDEO_TS.VOB 14336
VTS_01_0.BUP 65536
VTS_01_0.IFO 65536
VTS_01_0.VOB 93327360
VTS_01_1.VOB 681310208
VTS_01_2.VOB 681340928
VTS_01_3.VOB 681318400
VTS_01_4.VOB 681314304
VTS_01_5.VOB 681191424
VTS_01_6.VOB 59764736
VTS_02_0.BUP 12288
VTS_02_0.IFO 12288
VTS_02_1.VOB 7325696

<<<<<<<<<<<<Did you copy your menus across to your second disc folder?>>>>>>
The only files that i did copy were:
VTS_02_0.BUP 12288
VTS_02_0.IFO 12288
VTS_02_1.VOB 7325696

which correspond to title 2 (legal warning and the small intro with the brand of the producer). However I did select the " autocopy menu files to destination" option from ifoedit v0.95.
besides, all the menus work on the perfection on the winDVD software, which means that menus are there I think?

opening VTS_01 with menu edit shows that root menu (main menu)is on
vob ID: 1, cell ID: 1(4 buttons)
songs menu are in vob ID:2, cell id:2 (9 buttons)
and in vob ID:3 cell ID:2 (9 buttons)
Angles (animations) are in vob ID: 8, cell ID: 1 ( 5 buttons) this is a red menu with the icon, (the icon appears when the angles are available) I suppose that this is where the icon is stored.
This menu has 5 buttons two for enabling and disabling the angles and two to sect to display or not the icon ,another for main menu.
There is another menu for the sound in vob ID:9, cell ID: 1 (4 Buttons)

Another last thing:
When I press the DVDplay button on either ifo's (even on the original decrypted before Ifoedit) I get This message:
"Warning:
*1 out of 3 DVD-Video streams failed to render properly subpicture stream
*The video decoder doesn't produce close caption data
do you still want to continue?"
does this mean anything of interest?

[webber]

Originally posted by Dimad
Well, DvdReMake will for sure correct many problems it finds while importing DVD.

Thank you for yor reply!
The reason I asked this is because when I open the original decrypetd video_ts dvdremake opens it right away, but when I open the splitted with ifoedit video ts DVDreamke gives me that recovering incorrect tables message and takes some time opening the file.
The only thing that I have done is to split the dvd with ifoedit


DvdReMake should treat multi angle disks correctly. Although it may have problems with multi angle movies when angles are "linked in DSI" - I just had no chance of actually testing this. But it looks like one have to look hard to find such disk. There was a problem reported with interleaved cells in 1.0.1, but it is fixed in 1.1
How can I find out if this YES DVD has this "DSI links" or if there are interleaved cells on it?
Iam just curious to know where the problem is!

[2COOL]

Originally posted by webber
Disk one after ifoedit:

I:\Yes\yes ifoedit\Disc1\VIDEO_TS
=================================

VIDEO_TS.BUP 12288
VIDEO_TS.IFO 12288
VIDEO_TS.VOB 14336
VTS_01_0.BUP 65536
VTS_01_0.IFO 65536
VTS_01_0.VOB 93327360
VTS_01_1.VOB 681310208
VTS_01_2.VOB 681340928
VTS_01_3.VOB 681318400
VTS_01_4.VOB 681314304
VTS_01_5.VOB 681191424
VTS_01_6.VOB 59764736
VTS_02_0.BUP 12288
VTS_02_0.IFO 12288
VTS_02_1.VOB 7325696

I find it strange that your VOB files after splitting are around 681 MBs. Normally, IfoEdit sets it to about 1 GB if you didn't change your default VOB Size option in VOB Extras. Besides that, it looks like a normal split.

Another last thing:
When I press the DVDplay button on either ifo's (even on the original decrypted before Ifoedit) I get This message:
"Warning:
*1 out of 3 DVD-Video streams failed to render properly subpicture stream
*The video decoder doesn't produce close caption data
do you still want to continue?"
does this mean anything of interest? Normally, you get this if you have another program open at the same time accessing your codecs. Use IfoEdit 0.96 to get your Filters for DirectX when clicking on DVD Play. I've had problems with IfoEdit with using Elecard codecs. Too much codecs can give you problems. Ideally for me, IfoEdit works fine with using PowerDVD XP's codecs.