Pirates of the Caribbean PAL - tricky audio track

[n1ck0s]

I've written a really long post in notepad, but before copy/paste-ing it here, let me ask this.

Have any of you tried "Pirates...", keeping all 4 Commentaries (they appear as 3 audio tracks - last stream is used by two commnetaries)? It is possible that you have backed up this one w/o noticing that some commentaries don't work.

Anyway, there is a tricky Audio Stream (#6) which DIF4U (in fact dvddecrypter) cannot handle. Some problems appear and w/ some subtitle stream but these are easily fixed.

Before posting more about this dvd and the problems i had, i'd like to know if others have issues w/ this one. If audio and subtitles work for you in all 4 commentaries then I'm doing something wrong...

[wmansir]

I ran into the same problem. You can do this title with the the Nemo/Duplicate PGC Method (http://www.doom9.org/mpg/Eyes_Duplicate_PGC_Guide_to_Finding_Nemo.htm), with a little extra work.

Here is what 69Mws said in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66320&perpage=20&highlight=nemo&pagenumber=2)

The only thing that didn't work in my first try, was that the last audio-track wasn't demuxed by DIF4U although I checked it to demux. The last audio-track contains the blabla for the audio-commentaries where you can select specific scenes --> that also explains the structure of the ifo btw and why using acm-mode in IfoUpdate

What I did then, was demuxing the last audio-track with vobedit into the vts demux-directory and naming it properly so that ReAuthorist recognizes it. I think you also need to correct the max bitrate before encoding (9800 - bitrates from all kept audiotracks).

Check out that thread from some more tips on the Nemo Method and a few tips on this title in particlular. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten back to trying this title since that time, so I can't verify everything personally.

[n1ck0s]

I've managed to deal w/ it. I only need to re-encode though. Manual work in Scenarist wont be needed if someone uses ScenAid w/ this one.

For anyone that cares: In Pirates of the Caribean PGC_1 is the main movie and PGC_2, PGC_3 these strange commentaries. They use their own PGCs cause they don't cover the whole movie (the other two commentaries are just audio streams). In fact these two PGCs are not overlapping which made me understand that the two commentaries use the same audio stream (#6) and the same subtitle streams (#20-#24, 5 different languages).

If someone chooses PGC_1 in dvddecrypter, audio stream #6 and these 5 subtitles become unavailable. They are not present in PGC_1 cause they are not needed there. Since DIF4U selects only PGC_1 (it finds dublicates ids) it cannot demux audio #6. In fact I couldn't extract this audio stream w/ dvddecrypter no matter what, so I finally used SmartRipper and all is ok (but the re-encode issue).

[marpada]

Originally posted by n1ck0s
I've managed to deal w/ it. I only need to re-encode though. Manual work in Scenarist wont be needed if someone uses ScenAid w/ this one.



ScenAid didn't work for me, had several problems with audio streams and subtitles.

I created the script with ReAuthorist and trying to re-create the structure with Scenarist, without succes ( lots of error with subtitles) :scared:

[n1ck0s]

The problems with subtitle attributes was what made me try ScenAid. I think I found a way to overcome these errors but required a lot of manual work. You must select each PGC and in the property window double-click subtitle attributes. There, for each stream, you must select the proper language. This I THINK will solve the problem but since there are 58 PGCs, there is alot of work to do...

What was the problem w/ ScenAid?

[Eyes`Only]

nick0s: could you please email me that .IFO? I don't see how a play all VTS can have the play all PGC with one audio stream yet another PGC using the same vobids with more audio streams.

[n1ck0s]

I knew somenone would ask that :). My previous posts were misleading. The audio track is there but not available for PGC_01 (Title_01)!

In Scenarist if you select a Title, the property window have options for audio and subtitle availability. Maybe thats what this is. The streams exists in the Track but declared unavailable for the specific Title.

In dvddecrypter selecting PGC_01 wont show audio track #6 or the five last subtile streams. If you choost any PGC from PGC_02 to PGC_30 (Titles 2 & 3 which refer to cells from PGC_01) the streams become available, but your can rip them for each PGC indepentently. I did that and ended up w/ 30 (PGC_02-PGC_30) .ac3 files (subtiles were correctly ripped but not imported in Scenarist), which if joined would give track #6.

I think its an dvddecrypter issue (not really a bug though). With SmartRipper I was able to rip audio #6 w/ no problems.

[Eyes`Only]

Ahh that sounds like all that was needed was the 'copy audio tables' function in ifoupdate (and possibly removal of PUOPs, but I don't think so)... did u try that?

[n1ck0s]

I always remove PUOPS (during ripping through dvddecrypter), so it doesn't help.

I don't see what you mean with the ifoupdate thing. The problem occures way before the ifoupdate step (audio track is not extracted at all). Its just that DVDDecrypter (which is an excellent piece of software nevertheless) cannot handle that particular track, possible for the reason aforementioned. SmartRipper did the trick.

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I've got a PAL Region 2 copy of that dvd and I cant find the #6 sounds stream in it anywhere!

Are you sure it exists?!

Going by what IFOEdit does and what DVD Decrypter does (3.2.0.0) - everything is fine.

I see all streams that should be there in each PGC.

PGC1 has 0x80, 0x82, 0x83 and 0x89
PGC2 has 0x80, 0x82, 0x83, 0x84 and 0x89
PGC3 has 0x80, 0x82, 0x83, 0x84 and 0x89
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So where are you getting this 6th audio stream from? It doesnt exist in the IFO i'm looking at.

[n1ck0s]

I was thinking about emailing to you. I am glad you responded at this thread.

Audio #6 is definetely there. Its used for "Jerry Bruckheimer" and "Kara Knightley And Jack Davenport" commentaries.
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/n1ck0s/18285/224829/0/Snap1.gif

When PGC_01 is selected:

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/n1ck0s/18285/224830/0/Snap2.gif

When PGC_02 is selected:

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/n1ck0s/18285/224831/0/Snap3.gif

P.S. Sorry for the first snap (too long). If its causing troubles I'll edit my post.

[influenza]

This is not an uncommon thing on dvds. SOme duplicate pgcs have an other audio sub layout than others. I've seen this before and yes you have to be carefull what to select in dif4u on those.

SInce this is only parts of the complete thing in those extra pgcs I think manual extraction of the audio is unavoidable.

Are we talking about those infamous one channel mono commentaries here? (one of the features of dvd: excellent sound :D )

[LIGHTNING UK!]

ok, so IFOEdit says audio stream 6 exists within the VTS set.

Now on a PGC level, does Audio 6 exist in PGC 1?

That aside, it appears you've a different version of the disc to me. As you can see, mine has DTS.

If IFOEdit DOES show audio stream 6 exists within PGC1, please send me the IFO file. You can find the address in the programs (DVD Decrypters!) 'About' box. (please dont post it on here, I get enough SPAM already ;) )

[Trahald]

i have the r1 dvd.. ifoedit shows it in the main screen that there is a track 6.. but in the VTS_pgciti for pgc 1 it ISNT listed (what dd correctly goes by) feh.. crazy proprietery authoring software they use. anywho, although the track is available in the smaller pgcs, their are a few vobids missing so you cant use them to reconsctruct the main pgc. vobid demux would work.


btw.. i tried smart ripperfile but it kept crashing on this dvd. dvddecryptor file mode (using the stream processing feature) does work to locate and demux the entire track 6 since that isnt a pgc specific feature (file mode is also used for vobid demux)