Time and chapter points are still screwed up

[fuji250]

I keep doing this IFOupdate part over and over again (and I used the newer easier method posted) yet the chapter points are still screwed up. I'm backing up my copy of Family Guy Vol2 Disc 3 First episode. The second chapter is at like 4:23 on the DVD but on mine it's at like 3:27. Can anyone help me fix this problem? This is a problem that occurs on all of my Big 3 backups and I havent been able to figure it out.

[Walmarde]

I think I'm in the same situation, everything goes right until I update the original ifo with the ifo make by scenarist. And I know, I mustn't update the dummy vts. But still, it's always a big mess so I must be wrong. I'm doing exactly like on the the big 3 tutorials. I don't know any other ways. Please HELP US.

[jel]

@ Walmarde
have you tried this approach to the ifoupdate stage?
*** An easier way to do the IFOUpdate step - By Eyes`Only *** (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63841)
also some forum members have reported using NuMenu4Us built in ifoupdate with great success and it takes the manual work out of this step.
@ fuji250
This is a problem that occurs on all of my Big 3 backups and I havent been able to figure it out. how many back-ups are we talking about here?
The odd rare case i could understand but many would tend to suggest an incorrect methodology.
are the scene/chapter times correct in scenarist? quite often they are off by a frame or three (from memory it has something to do with falling on a 'I' frame) but almost a minute seems odd?
use ifoupdate to extract the scene times from the relevant ifo (original from disc) and compare those to the times in scenarist.
my guess is that it is not the ifoupdate step at all that is causing your issues but i could be wrong...
j

[fuji250]

Originally posted by jel
@ Walmarde
have you tried this approach to the ifoupdate stage?
*** An easier way to do the IFOUpdate step - By Eyes`Only *** (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63841)
also some forum members have reported using NuMenu4Us built in ifoupdate with great success and it takes the manual work out of this step.
@ fuji250
how many back-ups are we talking about here?
The odd rare case i could understand but many would tend to suggest an incorrect methodology.
are the scene/chapter times correct in scenarist? quite often they are off by a frame or three (from memory it has something to do with falling on a 'I' frame) but almost a minute seems odd?
use ifoupdate to extract the scene times from the relevant ifo (original from disc) and compare those to the times in scenarist.
my guess is that it is not the ifoupdate step at all that is causing your issues but i could be wrong...
j

this has happened on every single backup I've tried with this method. in many cases, the chapter points are off by minutes.

[jel]

could you do me a favour and try this suggestion pleaseuse ifoupdate to extract the scene times from the relevant ifo (original from disc) and compare those to the times in scenarist.
cheers
j

[Walmarde]

I have tried the easy way for the ifoupdate wrote by eyesonly (the sticky post) but it did the same thing. The FBI warning was the only things playing. I read in a post somethings about deleting the playback of a vobid on a menu with ifoedit but I not sure that's the problem.

I didn't compare the ifo made by scenarist and the scenarist file because I have deleted everything. I'll do it again this night.

Let me know if you think know what's going on with the FBI warning. (I'll try to rip it out with ifo edit first and do the big 3 after)

[jel]

@ Walmarde

sounds like a known issue. quote taken from Eyes`Only Knowledge Base
Question:

I updated everything with ifoupdate but when stick the dvd in to play, it will start off by playing the FBI warning or other starting videos and then pause or stop . When I press play, it will go to the menu (where it is suppose to go). How can I fix this?

Answer:

Is your DVD stopping after a certain PGC/Cell after reauthoring with RA? IFOEdit>VTS_PGCITI>VTS_PGC_x. Find the cell that it is stopping on. Check the Restricted Angle value. If it's not 0, set it to 0! (Aqua has no idea why this happens, but confirms the issue.)
hope that helps
j
edit;\ oops forgot the '`' in Eyes`Only :D

[HyperYagami]

Originally posted by fuji250
in many cases, the chapter points are off by minutes.

b4 we go on, please verify if the chapter points in scenarist match the ones on the original DVD (might be off by several frames, but not to the degree of minutes, also use the actual scenes for comparsion instead of using the timecodes), then we can determine whether it's ifoupdate's problem or something else.

[wmansir]

Are you guys using Scenarist 3.0 by any chance?

[fuji250]

Originally posted by wmansir
Are you guys using Scenarist 3.0 by any chance?

no, i'm using Scenarist 2.6...do you think that's the problem? I had no idea there even was a newer version of it out.

[fuji250]

Originally posted by HyperYagami
b4 we go on, please verify if the chapter points in scenarist match the ones on the original DVD (might be off by several frames, but not to the degree of minutes, also use the actual scenes for comparsion instead of using the timecodes), then we can determine whether it's ifoupdate's problem or something else.

the scenes and the overall running times are messed up too

[HyperYagami]

My comments about Scenarist 3.0.

Good things:
1) dragging an audio track to track editor defaults as english
2) scenario editor icons now support 24-bit colors

Bad things:
1) doesn't like RA dummy audio tracks. if you use them via script then fine, but you can use them manually. apparently it doesn't like 00:00:00 length ac3/dts anymore.
2) more strict with audio: once you have an ac3 in your project you can't change the length of it or it will complain. in my case it's very inconvinence because sometimes I need to correct the ac3 delay manually and end up I have to recreate the project everytime.
3) DOES NOT WORK WITH 2.7 SCRIPTS! it totally screws up the conversion between dropframe and non-dropframe timecodes.

back to 2.7 for me.

[HyperYagami]

Originally posted by fuji250
the scenes and the overall running times are messed up too

for a movie with multiple chapters: the chapter point delays go worse and worse with each chapter?

[fuji250]

Originally posted by HyperYagami
for a movie with multiple chapters: the chapter point delays go worse and worse with each chapter?

yeah, the whole thing is bizzare. the only thing you would know on a computer DVD player is that the chapters are in the wrong spot. however, on a standalone DVD player there are serious problems, like the DVD skips all over the place (old sector/LBA points are still in place, so when the DVD player reads the disc it's going to go for the old sector/LBA points, which of course dont exist anymore). Aside from chapters being messed up, it seems that the sectors/LBA addresses werent properly updated (which probably ties into why the chapters are off). it appears that the old sectors/LBA are still in the IFO file, even though I'm using IFOupdate. if i sent the IFOs to you guys would that help? maybe you can see something that i'm not.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by HyperYagami
My comments about Scenarist 3.0.

3) DOES NOT WORK WITH 2.7 SCRIPTS! it totally screws up the conversion between dropframe and non-dropframe timecodes.

back to 2.7 for me.

That's what I was getting at. I was looking for verification in a Scenarist 3.0 thread I bumped, but got no reponse.

[HyperYagami]

Originally posted by fuji250
like the DVD skips all over the place

it sounds like a ifoupdate problem. you wanna make sure you're pointing to the right ifo at each section. about the chapter pt problem -> try use dvd decrypter 3.1.4.0. but b4 you try you need to solve the skip problem 1st.

[fuji250]

Originally posted by HyperYagami
it sounds like a ifoupdate problem. you wanna make sure you're pointing to the right ifo at each section. about the chapter pt problem -> try use dvd decrypter 3.1.4.0. but b4 you try you need to solve the skip problem 1st.

actually, i've tried it this method on other movies and it's working fine now, i think i was just doing something wrong...but the one DVD I am having serious troubles with (and many other people as well) is the Sopranos Season 4 DVD. The episodes are split up all over the 6 or so VOB files, making it damn near impossible for you to do it correctly. The first episode on the DVDs works fine, but the second and third ones are way screwed up when you select it from the menu. Has anyone ever found a successful method using the Big3 to backup the Sopranos?

[Trahald]

@wmansir

Will the quirks of scenarist ever fail to amaze me.

really there is nothing wrong with the script per se. scenarist 3.0 imports its own scripts wrong as well (it seems to be importing hte times for subs and scenes to non-drop frame) of course a second script could be made which basically compensates for the scenarist error.

from what i hear seems PAL people dont have the issue?

anyways in the interum .. manually importing subs works fine. and then just go back and update the scene times. or stick w/2.6-2.7 :/

[RobertR]

Originally posted by Trahald
from what i hear seems PAL people dont have the issue?
PAL people have just one frame per second speed (25fps) so drop vs non-drop is irrelevant. For now i think i'll stick to older version of Scenarist (or better yet scrap it all together in favour of other free tools :D )