Slow Encode speeds with CCE

[MyNameIsNeo]

I have an AMD Athlon XP 2200+ and the speeds I get with CCE while making DVD backups or DVD2SVCD is varying like a b***h.
Just yesterday I tried to backup a DVD which had a 3 hour movie and it was going at at speed of 0.953 (So imagine a first VAF pass and then the 3 leadup passes = 4 passes = little more that 12 hours). A few days ago I did a backup of another dvd and that was going at 1.3 speed. Am I doing something wrong or are AMD Athlons just weak in this process compared to Intel.

Can some people post their encoding speeds so that I can get a general Idea of what speeds I should be getting and what optimizations I should be making.

My computer specs:
Athlon XP 2200+ (266Mhz bus) (no overclocking)
ASUS A7V333 Mobo
1GB DDR PC2700 (i know I am not making full use of these since FSB is 266)
80GB WD w/8MB Buffer (for WinXP)
160GB Maxtor w/8MB Buffer (for DVD rips)
64MB ATI RADEON 7000 (everyone gasps! I am not a gamer)
Creative Sound Blaster Live 5.1
Toshiba 16X DVD-ROM sd-M1712 (without read limit)
NEC 1300A Dual format DVD burner.

I am looking to make a new (budget) rig for DVD backups and encoding process. I am trying to choose an Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz processor since Prescott has lowered the prices of the P4s a little bit and because it is getting good reviews at content creations at anandtech.com.

Any ideas as to what is going wrong? Is my system messed up or are these typical speeds i should see with the Athlon Processor?

Let me know. Thanks.

regards,
Neo

[bb]

There's a speed test in the CCE forum. Your speed figures look normal; be aware of the fact that AviSynth filtering has an effect on encoding speed. The film's aspect ratio is important, too, because the number of pixels to be encoded can differ much.

bb

[ppera2]

Yes, speed varies much depending from source's resolution, filters etc.
But you can speedup it making less pass :)

& don't expect much higher speeds with P4 (i tested it).

[jonny]

With an XP2000+, 720x576 pal dvd source (with avisynth/no filtering) i usually get 1.3

0.953 seems a bit slow (i dunno DVD2SVCD internals, maybe in this case filtering/ivtc/deinterlacing was needed)

[MyNameIsNeo]

Actually I wasn't talking about DVD2SVCD. I was using DoitFast4U!.
I have 3 passes in there for CCE and with the default settings. for the rest of the stuff. also it was a single PGC VTS (just one title in the whole DVD). This was DVD-VIdeo backup up to a DVD-R.
CCE Speeds: 0.953


I just went through the conversion process in DVD2SVCD (DVD-> SVCD instead of DVD-> DVD-R). However cce did 4 passes (excluding the vaf file round).
CCE Speeds: 1.15
With IVTC

This is strange. Source was 16:9 but was encoded as 4:3 by using add borders script in AviSynth.

How the heck is the SVCD faster, I though DVD is faster if you do not have to deal with resizing and IVTCing?

Any ideas. I post my CCE File as reference.

Please recommend.

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WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
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- 2/11/2004 4:04:30 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
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Initializing
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_0.IFO
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_1.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_2.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_3.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_4.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_5.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_6.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_7.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 2/11/2004 4:04:34 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[F:\KHNH\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_1.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_2.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_3.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_4.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_5.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_6.vob,G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_7.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Hybrid Film activated. IVTC will be applied and will slow down the entire process!
Framerate: 29970
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 2/11/2004 4:09:37 AM
- Free on drive F: 55577.83 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: F:\KHNH\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 9943 ms
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Hybrid Film activated. IVTC will be applied and will slow down the entire process!
Framerate: 29970
Audio extraction finished.

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- 2/11/2004 4:15:19 AM
- Free on drive F: 54817.35 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: F:\KHNH\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "F:\KHNH\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "F:\KHNH\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "F:\KHNH\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -d 9943 ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of F:\KHNH\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 2/11/2004 4:49:02 AM
- Free on drive F: 54191.75 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 2/11/2004 4:49:12 AM
- Free on drive F: 54188.16 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 2495536764
AudioSectors: 263032644
VideoPAPO: 34582680
ScanOffsetBytes: 310858
SeqAligningBytes: 19756727
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 900.00
PureMPEGStream: 2177853842.93
Seconds: 10813.47
CalcMPEGStream: 2177853842.93
Frames: 259048
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 3
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 259048
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 1611
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\INVERS~1\decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\KHNH\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
Telecide()
Decimate(5)
BicubicResize(480,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
Import("F:\KHNH\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
ConvertToYUY2()
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.140
Video Encoding finished.

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- 2/11/2004 6:06:58 PM
- Free on drive F: 51354.95 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "F:\KHNH\Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" "F:\KHNH\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv"
Video pulldown finished.

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- 2/11/2004 6:11:37 PM
- Free on drive F: 49280.17 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\KHNH\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 2/11/2004 6:11:41 PM
- Free on drive F: 49280.13 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\KHNH\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 2/11/2004 6:11:44 PM
- Free on drive F: 49280.10 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 2/11/2004 6:11:46 PM
- Free on drive F: 49280.10 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3390 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3392
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3667 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 7059
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 2/11/2004 6:25:12 PM
- Free on drive F: 46900.03 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3392.601 seconds F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3669.551 seconds F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing: F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
3745.672 seconds F:\KHNH\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 2/11/2004 6:26:23 PM
- Free on drive F: 46900.03 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 8

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "F:\KHNH\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 2/11/2004 6:29:54 PM
- Free on drive F: 46052.07 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 7

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "F:\KHNH\VCDXBU~2.XML"
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- 2/11/2004 6:32:56 PM
- Free on drive F: 45246.05 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 10

CD image #3: CD_Image_File_CD3.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD3.cue" --bin-file="F:\KHNH\CD_Image_File_CD3.bin" "F:\KHNH\VCDXBU~3.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 2/11/2004 6:35:05 PM
- Free on drive F: 44444.52 mb
- Conversion done!
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[bb]

What happens to your CCE encoding speed, if you change your AVS script to:
---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\INVERS~1\decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\KHNH\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
Telecide()
Decimate(5)
BicubicResize(720,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
Import("F:\KHNH\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
ConvertToYUY2()
----AVS End----
I assume the speed will drop below 0.9 on your machine. The more pixels to encode, the more time gets consumed.

bb

[MyNameIsNeo]

am i doing something insanely stupid when im assembling my pc because this is not what i expected. people encoding PAL dvds (which contain more lines) are getting better speeds than me.

Same thing happened when i assembled a PC with an athlon64.
I got speeds around 1.3 when people are easily getting 1.6-1.8 and these are ntsc dvds i believe.

regards,
neo