Crippling dual layer DVD burning?

[One Night Stand]

Is there any word yet in regards to manufactures crippling dual layer dvd burners whereas you won't be able to do a 1:1 copy of a DVD movie that you own?

Any articles out there floating around? Thanks!

[gooki]

That's what css encryption is for.

[One Night Stand]

Well I mean besides that. Of course there are various programs such as DVDShrink, and other programs that defeat that. However, what are the chances that the major manufactures will do something with the hardware so that you cannot copy anything 1:1 no matter what.

[Kedirekin]

Not likely. A decrypted set of vobs looks very much like the vobs that come out of an authoring program.

If they wanted to lock it so you couldn't make 1:1 copies, they'd also have to lock out everyone who wanted to put their home movies on DVDR DL. It would be a marketing mightmare.

[DnGermany]

That would defeat the purpose of having a dual layered burner. I don't think there's anything to worry about.

[Steelo]

At least until HD dvd hits the shelves.

[Louse76]

so what's the latest word concerning how long until these burners will be on the market and how much the media will cost?

[Dimmer]

Dual layer burners seem too good to be true. This means anybody would be able to make perfect copies of their DVDs without re-encoding, just like CDs. I bet there must be a lot of pressure from Hollywood on manufacturers to cripple the drives. Let's just hope that it'll be something a firmware patch can fix, similar to region protection.

On the side note, a significant part of this and many others forums will become obsolete once you don't have to care about video re-encoding. At least until they come up with some new high density DVD, blue ray or whatever else.

[Doom9]

On the side note, a significant part of this and many others forums will become obsolete once you don't have to care about video re-encoding.Let's just wait and see about that, shall we? VCD didn't make VHS obsolete, SVCD didn't make LD or any lesser format obsolete, DVD-R didn't make any of the beforementioned formats and the whole MPEG-4/other codecs obsolete... just think about that. You can put 6 one CD DivX movies on a single DVD-R and play it in a standalone (I even have two that play that kinda stuff), you can put 12 one CD DivX movies on a single DVD-R-DL. Consider how long DVD-R has been on the market and where media prices are now.. try to interpolate that for dual layer prices.

But like I said.. time will tell. I wouldn't be surprised though if you were proven wrong. I've been here since the VCD age and I've heard the whole "this is going to make everything else obsolete" talk one too many times.

[Dimmer]

@Doom9
I didn't mean any offense, this site is great and I learned a lot from these forums. I was talking only about DVD to DVD 1:1 backups, which will probably become as simple as CD backups are nowadays once dual layer burners become available. Of course, DVD-R-DL won't affect MPEG-4 and other codecs except by expanding their horizons.

As for LD/VCD/SVCD, I know it has been a big thing in Asia and other parts of the world. However, here in North America "average" people either never heard of them at all, or they think it's the same thing as DVD. So for commercial purposes they indeed have become obsolete. Most of the people using VCD/SVCD are computer guys who - let's face it - can't afford a DVD burner/media. I'm sure the same would apply to the dual layer burners, they ought to be very expensive at first.


Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the good work you're doing with this web site and for all the help I found around here. I guess it's about time for me to make a donation.