Standalone player motion problems

[copycast]

Yeah this is another temporal motion issue with SVCD and standalone players.

Until recently I didn't have a DVD player that could play SVCD's. I'd made a ton of them and just watched them on my PC, knowing that one day, I would have a compatible player. (I now have a Sony DVP-NS930VS)

About 90% of all the titles that I've encoded are PAL and about 85% of those are progressive 25 frames/sec, as you may expect.

Pretty much everything I've done, progressive or interlaced looks lovely when enjoyed on my PC using WinDVD or something. I now realise that there's been a temporal motion problem (a very breif pause every second or so) with around 50% of the SVCD's that I've created! It's only ever manifested when you play them in a standalone player.

I've been through all the things I can think of, TFF/BFF flags, interlaced content as progressive.. here's the D2S projectfile:

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[General]
Version=DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3

[Filenames]
DVDAudioFileName0=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
MP2FileName0=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
DVDAudioFileName1=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Extracted_audio_2
MP2FileName1=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Encoded_audio_2.mp2
IFOFilename=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_0.IFO
MPVFileName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL.mpv
FinalMPVName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL.mpv
TitlePictureFileName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\TitlePicture.bmp
ChangeCDPictureFileName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\ChangeCDPicture.bmp
LastCDPictureFileName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\LastCDPicture.bmp
TargetFolder=\
FinalbbMPEGFileName=K:\dvd2svcd_output\bbMPEG_Muxed_File
DVD2SVCD INI File=K:\dvd2svcd_output\DVD2SVCD.INI

[Settings]
Project Position=64
ForceFilm=0
FileSource=0
PGCISelect=0
bbMPEGCDSize=798
ReduceCDSize=5
Frames=202398
VideoPTS=287
PAL=1
NTSC2PAL=0
TitlePictureFormat=2
ChangeCDPictureFormat=2
viHorizontalSize=720
viVerticalSize=576
viAspectRatio=3
viFrameRate=3
vifps=0
SelectedAspectRatio=2
CDLabel=
MovieTitle=Catch Me If You Can (R2, DVD)
Number of images=3
Volumes=3
fps=25
SubYPos=-1
Deinterlace=0
SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Threshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=0
Use Topfield First=1
AudioPTS0=287
Delay0=0
AudioSource0=0
AudioLangCode0=en
AudioLanguage0=English
AudioStream0=0
AudioIndex0=0
AudioChannels0=6
AudioBitrate0=224
wFormatTag0=0
nSamplesPerSec0=0
AudioPTS1=0
Delay1=0
AudioSource1=0
AudioLangCode1=
AudioLanguage1=
AudioStream1=-1
AudioIndex1=-1
AudioChannels1=0
AudioBitrate1=0
wFormatTag1=0
nSamplesPerSec1=0
NumOfAudioStreams=1
SubtitleFilename=K:\dvd2svcd_output\dvd2svcd subtitles file.ini

[VOBFiles]
VobName_0=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_1.vob
VobName_1=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_2.vob
VobName_2=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_3.vob
VobName_3=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_4.vob
VobName_4=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_5.vob
VobName_5=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_6.vob
VobName_6=I:\dvd_temp\catch_me_if_you_can_dvd\VTS_01_7.vob

[MovieInfo]
SourceType=
MovieOffset=2 sec
CDOverlapSeconds=Yes, 2 sec
StartupDelays=Video: 180 ms Audio 1: 180 msAudio 2: 180 ms
VideoFormat=PAL
Length=02:14:55
Images=3
RealMovieTitle=Catch Me If You Can
UserRating=
DirectedBy=
WritingCredits=
Genre=
Tagline=
PlotOutline=
AdditionalInfo=
Encoder=Cinema Craft Encoder 2.50.1.0
EncodingMode=Multipass VBR
AvgBitrate=2187
MaxBitrate=2530
MinBitrate=300
QFactor=5
Passes=4
ImageQualityPriority=17
Bias=20
AntinoiseFilter=No
LinearQuantizerScale=Yes
ZigzagScanningOrder=Yes
UpperFieldFirst=No
ProgressiveFrames=Yes
CQValue=
MotionSearchPrecision=
DCComponentPrecision=
OutputYUVData=
FloatingPointDCT=
NoMotionSearch=
SoftenBlockNoise=
iDCTAlgorithm=32-bit SSE MMX
AvisynthScript=LoadPlugin("D:\GROUPP~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1\Mpeg2dec\mpeg2dec.dll")¤¤mpeg2source("K:\DVD2SV~1\DVD2AV~1.D2V")¤¤BicubicResize(480,576,0.0,0.6)¤¤ConvertToYUY2()¤¤
Matrix=Intra:| 8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34 |16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37 |19 22 26 27 29 34 34 38 |22 22 26 27 29 34 37 40 |22 26 27 29 32 35 40 48 |26 27 29 32 35 40 48 58 |26 27 29 34 38 46 56 69 |27 29 35 38 46 56 69 83 |Non-Intra:|16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 |17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 |18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 |19 20 21 22 23 24 26 27 |20 21 22 23 25 26 27 28 |21 22 23 24 26 27 28 30 |22 23 24 26 27 28 30 31 |23 24 25 27 28 30 31 33 |
NTSCFieldOperation=
Deinterlace=None
Pulldown=No
Width=480
Height=576
Audiostreams=1
AudioLanguage0=English
AudioBitrate0=224
AudioSampleFrequency0=48000
AudioMode0=Stereo
AudioLanguage1=
AudioBitrate1=
AudioSampleFrequency1=
AudioMode1=
Subtitlestreams=0
Type=
SubtitleInfo0=
SubtitleInfo1=
SubtitleInfo2=
SubtitleInfo3=
Authoring=
UseEntrysvd=

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The problem makes watching the affected titles unbearlabe! Any suggestions are obviously appriciated, all replies to this message are emailed to me.


Thanks!

[jsoto]

It's only ever manifested when you play them in a standalone player.
It's usual problem. Normally not related with the SW or with the authoring.
Many SVCD standalone have very poor readers and they need "very good" medias. One method is to burn at low speeds (4x, max 8x) with qualified brands. But, in my experience, other way is to buy the cheapest standalode.
You can try copying a SVCD and burning it in a good media at 4x. If the copy works fine, you know the answer.
jsoto

[copycast]

Thanks for your reply.

I understand your point, and I've seen how the cheapest far eastern manuf. equipment is usualy far more tolerant with standards such as SVCD (which is just barely a standard of course!)

I really do think this is a problem with the encoding, or the muxing process (incorrect flags etc.) as about 50% of my titles work perfectly and they were created and burnt to CD in the same way, using the same hw and sw.