RV10 Editor

[Griniaris]

I downloaded the latest Helix Producer and created 2 files video-only, no audio. Same resolution, both with RV10. I used avisynth to load a d2v and some filters. Both files were part of the same d2v trimmed in two different small parts to do some testing. The d2v has a duration of almost 2h20m and I took 10secs for part1 and 20secs for part2. Part1 was encoded as variable bitrate in two passes and part2 as vbrquality in one pass. I then tried to join them using rmeditor included in the download pack. I couldn't join them!Error: Cannot paste files because the video streams in one file do not match the video streams in another file.
I then tried to join them using rmeditor included in previous producer (one included with AutoRV9). The files are properply joined but when I playback the file in MPC the duration shown is that of the original d2v project (2h20m) instead of something like 30s...
Anyone knows why this is happening? Can I not use latest rmeditor for joining?

Thanks in advance!

[karl_lillevold]

Due to problems with SureStream not relevant in this forum, the latest rmeditor is more strict than before, since these problems were impossible to resolve without making it more strict. However, using a previous version where this was temporarily corrected, should work fine.

Re: duration. I think MPC gets confused by audio files with the same name as your merged file, in the same folder. If you open up the Filters list you will probably see several audio filters.. (AC3.. etc). Move the merged file to another folder and try again.

[damrod]

i agree with this : check te audio filters ;-))

for the rmeditor... i think you have the rmeditor.exe in the realproducer10basic folder

you don't have a gui but if you copy the gui and associated files from the helixproducer9plus you should be able to edit your files with it...

it works for me (i try for curiosity ;-))

but if you want no probleme you can use the cmdline exe ;-))
it's not complicated to join two rmvb files...

[SeeMoreDigital]

An RV10 Editor!

Must have missed this. Can somebody post a link please?

Cheers

[damrod]

C:\Program Files\Real\RealProducer Basic 10\RealMediaEditor

:-))

must have made a mistake

it seems i copy the repertory of helixproducerplus9 but i replace the dll i can find newer in the repertory of realproducer10


if someone understand my words... tell me (me i can't ;-))

[Griniaris]

You were right about the duration problem and MPC.
As for the editor you just need to replace the rmto3260.dll found under the tools directory with the one from the previous producer release and everything works fine.
I do not know anything about the gui that you mention since I use my own RV10 plugin for DVX which uses command line to join the segments...

[stax76]

I wonder how many MB can be saved with seperate credits encoding and RV 10, with MPEG4 I think it's about 30 MB

[karl_lillevold]

Dolemite: That depends on the bitrate and length of credits, not much else. Until I finish my work on rate control improvements, the credits are long enough that RV10 will try to reach target bitrate in that window. Let us do a quick calculation, assuming 8 minutes credits, with 800 kbps bitrate:
8 * 60 = 480 seconds
480 seconds * 800 kbps = 384000 kbps
384000 kbps = 384000/1024/8 ~= 47 MB
Then just guessing that a constant low quality encode of same will take ~10 MB, you are left with 37 MB savings. Which of course translates to better quality for the other part. Another aspect is that the current RV10 rate control tends to be better at reaching target filesize when the credits are not included.

[hellfred]

Encoding the main movie and the credits separately with different bitrates (but with same resolution) will not be a problem unsing AviSynth's Trim command.
But will rmeditor be able to join them and will RealPlayer and MPC be able to handel that file?
What will happen, when i choose another codec flavour for the audio codec for the credit, like lets say, the ending theme is very nice and i want to provide it with more bitrate. (e.g. HE-AAC@64kbps to HE-AAC@128kbps for the credits).

I have searched the forum but did not find an answere, but maybe i just missed the right thread.

Hellfred

[karl_lillevold]

hellfred: you can merge files that have different bitrates (for instance VBR video + ConstantQuality video), but the codecs have to be the same, which means you can not change audio codec or audio bitrate, since each audio codec bitrate has its own codec flavor. The rmeditor that comes with AutoRV9 is more forgiving with regards to video bitrate settings, and is the recommended version. This was due to a temporary fix we had in place, that turned out not to work for SureStream files. Here are all the details:
https://helix-dna.helixcommunity.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=288

[Griniaris]

rmeditor.exe found in both version seems to be the same (in size at least). Like I already said it is rmto3260.dll found under the tools directory that needs to be replaced with the one from the autorv9 version...

[hellfred]

Thanks Karl and Griniaris for the answeres.
Hellfred