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LiFe
24th January 2004, 11:18
Allright. Herewith come my long sting of complaints (and I've been using the proggie for 15 minutes).

1) It should have been called Beta not Preview. I've managed to crash it 3 or 4 times now and I've done nothing complicated. BTW do you guys get the feedback when we upload the crash data to MS?

2) You need to sort the Audio Codecs by type (as it's done at the top of the list) and not by bitrate. Mixing up Real Audio Surround, Real Audio 10 Surround, Real Audio 10 Stereo (sorted by bitrate) makes for a very complicated list. It would be much easier to navigate with codecs by type then sub-sorted by bitrate.

3) Where's lossless?

4) You need to call Cook and raac surround codecs by the same terminology. They should both be Stereo Surround (as they are matrixed). Not one Stereo Surround and one Surround Audio (which does not make it clear that it's matrixed stereo content).

5) Rename '5.1 Multichannel Surround' to '5.1 Channel Surround'. If it has 5.1 channels it's pretty retarded saying 'multi'.

6) CMD Line lets you fiddle with playback size in the 'job media profile' section so that it doesn't actualy resize but plays back at that size (allowing you to encode non-square extra-large 'enhanced' content for resize on playback). Let us do this in the GUI.

7) We want file rolling in the GUI

8) We want Multiple Outputs in the GUI

9) There are still no VBR by Q recomendations/guidelines in the docs.

10) On the topic of VBR by Q - Who changed all the mapping? Encoding at 63 - 69 now seems to get me 60, and 70+ gets me 70. What the hell happened? I had just figured out all the qualities I wanted in RM9!

11) FPS cannot be set over 30, when you mentioned in here that RealPlayer and .rm can easily encode both fields of a frame.

12) C'mon guys, keep up with the coupe over MS and add in HE-ACC to the GUI. Else I'll be rooting for MS to get the case moved to Washington : )

Overall it is so incredibly slow I was in shock for a moment. It also seems to hog windows resources as I needed to set it to 'below normal' priority before windows GUI started responding normally again.

Had no chance to compare quality because it crashes before I encode anything. Oh look at that. I've crashed it again. Well that's enough wasted time for a night!

LiFe.

karl_lillevold
24th January 2004, 21:38
I rarely use the GUI myself, since the command line Producer 10 has been rock solid for months, but I have forwarded your feedback to the Producer team. Thanks. I think you are right in many of your suggestions for improvement, especially the need to clean up the list of audio codecs. This is terribly confusing.

P.S. A Preview is before Beta. Yes, it is buggy, the plans to create a new GUI were made not long ago, and the very under-resourced Producer team did a great job making it this far.

Sirber
24th January 2004, 21:39
There is other GUI you can use to encode RealVideo... :D

stevemc
26th January 2004, 18:54
Thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of questions for you to help track down some of this info - ideally just hit me off-list at stevemc@real.com since we'll probably need to go back an forth a few times and there is no need to burden the list with this.

1) Regarding the crashes youve seen, can you send me a the crash.log files at stevemc@real.com and we'll look into it.

2) The sorting of the audio codecs I think was someting we wanted to do by preview release but did not have time. Hopefully we'll get it for gold.

3) Lossless will not make it into the GUI. For the meantime, I suggest using the player which does a great job at reading/wriring lossless or use the CMD line producder for batch encoding to lossless.

4) I'm not clear what you are refering to. I double checked in the GUI and all the matrix encoded codecs are correctly labled "Stereo Surround" (or "Surround Stereo" as audience names for CLI reasons I could go into). Can you point out where you are referring to?

5) Good point. Originally we had it as "Multichannel" and then the mktg folks asked for the "5.1". But it does seem to be a bit redundant.

6) The CLI and GUI behave the same way with respect to resize. Both havwe a setting for resize which happens in the codec (-rs in the CLI and Output Width and Height in the Audiences dialog in the GUI. The behavior for both of these is that if resize is to a larger frame, then we embed the size in the stream. If resize down, then we just do it.

7) So do we:)

8) So do we:)

For both 7 and 8, its a question of resources.

10) Yup, still working on this. I send your last requests off to the doc team.

12) Regarding HE-AAC, we don't plan to put it in the GUI but it is out there in the SDK.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Sirber
26th January 2004, 19:11
Welcome Steve to our great forum :D