DVDShrink on disk created by Big 3

[walkistalki]

Hi,

out of curiosity I tried using DVDshrink on a dvd created according to the big 3 guide. When I try this, DVDshrink crashes (3.0 beta 5 and 3.1 as well) (movies + menus work fine on pc and standalone)

Is this normal behaviour or might I have some settings wrong (in that case I'll try to post my log files)?

thx,

[Fresh T.]

You're not the only one and so far, nobody has found a solution for it. So you haven't got any setting wrong.

[robot1]

Try this, quoting RB from another thread:

BTW, this can be corrected in IFOEdit by just letting it correct the IFOs (in VOB Extras, check "Correct original IFO files" and uncheck everything else). I noticed that this usually produces a smaller IFO. Only thing is that IFOEdit messes up here when there are multiple angles, see RB's post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68280#post425217)

Tryed with Pal, and it works.
I think Doom9 and Eyes should chek the guides...

[Fresh T.]

Originally posted by robot1
Try this, quoting RB from another thread:

Tryed with Pal, and it works.
I think Doom9 and Eyes should chek the guides...
I'm also a PAL user and it works. Thanks for the help! I've been looking for this for a while, even had my own topic, but even Eyes and dvdshrink couldn't give me a solution.

[Eyes`Only]

I believe that it's an ifoupdate problem, and if I remember correctly, it's solved by the latest ifoupdates (0.78+) It was nothing having to do with the guides.

[RB]

IFOUpdate 0.78 doesn't solve it yet. We discussed this in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58897&perpage=20&pagenumber=3 and the next IFOUpdate version will hopefully solve the problem.

[Trahald]

just wondering.. why would someone run dvdshrink on a movie already done by big 3? is it just knowing that you CAN do it, or is there a legitimate reason.

[Fresh T.]

Originally posted by w00kiee
just wondering.. why would someone run dvdshrink on a movie already done by big 3? is it just knowing that you CAN do it, or is there a legitimate reason.
I did it sometimes when my dvd was to large to fit on a dvd+/-r, even after I used the big three. I used DIF4U -> Reauthorist -> BatchCCE. The problem was with Reauthorist, which doesn't calculate the bitrate right when I kept all subs that were available. So I wanted to use dvdshrink to shrink it to the right size. Now that I use DIF4U -> BatchCCE -> Reauthorist(only for the .scp) it doesn't turn out too big.

That was my reason to use dvdshrink after the big 3.

[RB]

Originally posted by RB
IFOUpdate 0.78 doesn't solve it yet. We discussed this in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58897&perpage=20&pagenumber=3 and the next IFOUpdate version will hopefully solve the problem.
In the interim, another solution is to run the "Big 3" output through InstantCopy, setting everything to 100%. And you can strip your dummy audio/subpicture streams at the same time. Works perfectly for me everytime and produces 100% correct IFOs. IC doesn't seem to be as fussy as DVDShrink here...

[n1ck0s]

Finally after 5 long days, my first post.

I have this DVDShrink issue also. My main concern is that since I don't currently have a standalone, I want every backup I make to be as perfect as possible. I don't want to buy a standalone at some point later and discover that my disks are useless.

Anyway the "IFOedit method" mentioned above doesn't seem to work for me, so I could need some help. What i did:

-> ripped the dvd produced by Big 3 back to HD using FILE mode
-> run ifoedit for every .ifo except video_ts.ifo, checked only the optioned mentioned from "VOB etxras" then saved the file
-> made an image with imgtool classic
-> tried DVDShrink with that image and still didn't work

Can you spot something I made wrong? I am going to try IC8 as PM mentioned, but I was wondering why this worked for everybody else except to me.

P.S. Since DVDShrink can handle ifo files with that ease, why isnt there a prog like DVDShrink which utilizes an external encoder like CCE instead of an internal transcoder? Couldn't DVDShrink be "modded" to make use of premiere plugins (CCE or whatever) instead of its trancoder?

thank u all for your time.

[robot1]

Have you had a "Get VTS Sector" as last step before imgtool classic?

Try opening every .ifo with dvdshrink to find which one gives you troubles.

[n1ck0s]

Originally posted by robot1
Have you had a "Get VTS Sector" as last step before imgtool classic?

Try opening every .ifo with dvdshrink to find which one gives you troubles.
That did the trick... As I understand, after each operation with .ifo files, you must do a "GET VTS Sector"? Can an extra "GET VTS Sector" hurt (performed "just in case")?

Thx for your help.

[robot1]

GET VTS sector never hurt ;-)
Before burning or creating iso, always close ifoedit. Re-open it, load video_ts and get vts.

[Trahald]

Couldn't DVDShrink be "modded" to make use of premiere plugins (CCE or whatever) instead of its trancoder?

if it did life would be grand.. hehe.. the problem is since transcoders leave the gop structure perfectly in tact, not much extra has to be done to fit them into the ifos, also any vob/cell ids are left intact.. as well as any vob commands, line21 info.

cce changes the gop structure. and none of the vob info is left. tmpgenc can keep gop structure but you still lose the other stuff.

thats why it has to be reauthored so what was taken out can be replaced

[n1ck0s]

I've figured it couldn't be that easy. Now I know why. Thx.

[quinn]

The IfoEdit methods works fine for NTSC as well.

For those that it didn't work on - did you "save" the .IFO file?

THis wasn't intuitive, at least for me.

You click on "VOB Extras", uncheck strip vob ids and strip streams, then let IFOEdit do it's thing - it will "fix up" everything.

THen you have to click SAVE and save the IFO file.

THen you do GetVTS Sectors, and at this point, I'm pretty sure DVDShrink will like your DVD - this has worked for me on many, many DVDs....

[stanjr]

Would this only need to be done to the IFOs of re-encoded VOBs, or all IFOs?

Also, this seems to be the process, right?.....

1) Open the IFO in IFOEdit.
2) Uncheck EVERYTHING except "Correct original IFO files" in the "VOB Extras button."

(by the way, why wouldn't the "VOB-Unit (Navigation Pack) pointers in VOB-files" have to be checked?)

3) Click on OK to let IFOEdit do its thing.
4) Save the IFO.
5) Open the VIDEO_TS IFO in IFOEdit.
6) Click the "Get VTS sectors" button.

I didn't go through with a Save at this point because it came up with wanting to save whatever was the highest-numbered IFO in the VIDEO_TS folder, instead of the VIDEO_TS IFO itself. I guess it saves everything needed on its own?

This process seems to work for doing all IFOs, even non-re-encoded ones, to get DVD Shrink to recognize a valid navigational structure.