RealPlayer 10.5, installation, performance, etc.

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer 10.5, installation, performance, etc.
or How to make RealPlayer 10 behave nicely

[This is an updated information thread on how to make RealPlayer behave in a well mannered way preferred by most users in this forum. It is similar to the RealOne instructions, but easier than before]

Previous RealPlayers and RealOne players have been somewhat impolite in certain areas (Message Center with ads, file types, icons, running in the traybar). However, regarding the "spyware" allegations, I have been told one old version of realjukebox did send back some usage information by accident. The information was never even saved, because no one knew about it. That's gone years ago, but it's hard to be forgiven for that mistake, and it is so sad to see the same allegation being brought up again and again.

This RealPlayer 10 is better than before, with improvements in all areas, even though it looks relatively similar at first glance. It is faster, smaller, it has smoother video playback, less jitter, much improved media library, playlist handling, device support, incl Palm and iPod, ripping (to AAC), comes with a RV8+9+10 combo decoder DLL with better performance, that even improves RV playback in Media Player Classic when installed. It plays almost *) all formats, including AAC and HE-AAC. It even plays songs purchased in other music stores, as long WMA and Quicktime components are installed on the system. *) Playback via installed DirectShow codecs (for instance .ogg) is still not working.

However, this post is not really about performance, even though a lot more could be said about improvements in this area. More importantly in this discussion, it is also better in terms of its behaviour.

Here is a list of items experienced media player users may want to modify during or after installation:

Choose Custom Install
Uncheck the boxes you do not want for items on the desktop and quicklaunch bar.
Check only the media types you want it to play. This is the only time you will be asked this, it will never try to take back any media types. Now, is this really so bad compared to other software, in regards to media types? It's not as polite as MPC, but I have other media players which take over media types, and there is not even an option to customize this..
Start RealPlayer, Create an account, or Cancel out.
Then go to Tools->Preferences->Automatic Services, Click Configure Message Center, then uncheck "Check for new messages". Click OK on the "warning" that comes up. Now you will never see the Message Center. In the same menu, check or uncheck Auto-update in its sub-menu as well.
Optionally, go to Tools->Preferences->General and set On startup display to "Player only". That way, no browser, and it starts much quicker. You can open the browser/library with the click of a button.

So to summarize, a few clicks are needed to opt-out, you have to "sign in" the first time. That's about it.

March 2008 - PC World: how to install ad-free clean RealPlayer
Yesterday and today Steve Bass posted a nice tutorial on how to get an ad-free RealPlayer (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006661.html), as well as how to install it cleanly (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006662.html), in his Tips and Tweaks column in PC World.


Download the free RealPlayer 10 Gold here, with no re-direction:
http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=d9

And you should also know, that no one is forcing you to ever run RealPlayer 10 to play back RealVideo and RealAudio, since there are alternatives. Codec packs on the other hand may not install or uninstall properly, and could mess up your system, which is why I recommend installing RealPlayer itself. If you want to use another player, install RealPlayer, follow these instructions, then leave it alone.

For all the technical details about what's new with the Real 10 Platform, including RV 10, RA 10 (AAC), and a detailed FAQ, please see:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68245

Codec Pack?
If you have ever installed a codec pack (RealAlternative) in the past, it appears to be necessary to first run r1pclean.exe (http://www.lillevold.com/files/r1pclean.zip). Even though it reports "cannot load setu3260.dll" it does clean up the registry enough such that after this, RP10 runs fine after the installer completes. Without r1pclean, RP10 may not start, and show only flash screen, then die. Uninstalling RealAlternative, via its uninstaller, before installing RP10, has also been reported to work.

RealPlayer 11
I should update this thread for RealPlayer 11, but there are not many changes in the topics covered here.



Note that distributing so called codec packs, which is nothing but re-distribution of codec DLLs copyrighted by RealNetworks, and a few registry keys, is a violation of RealNetworks' copyright and the RealPlayer EULA.

[phrentec]

RealPlayer 10 is behaving very nicely,
I have not a clue why some people complain too much about the player itself, either way Thanks Karl.

[The Edge]

Thanks Karl. ;)

Hmmmm.....HE-AAC :)

[thop]

The ONLY thing that keeps me from installing any RealPlayer is the volume slider. When you change the volume on it the volume of the whole soundcard gets changed! So when you got winamp and realone player open, and adjust the volume in Real the winamp volume gets adjusted as well.

Got some test encode with sound, but dont want to hear the sound and instead some MP3? Drag the Real slider to zero, and *poof* your MP3 volume is gone as well. That is really a royal PITA. It has been like that forever with Real, and it's the only app i know that does this.

[karl_lillevold]

@thop: excellent question. RP 10 is now finally using DirectSound for its sound output, and there is no reason the Volume Slider should affect system wide sound level. In fact, I thought this problem had been fixed. I was very disappointed to find it was not, so I will try my best to make sure it will be fixed in an update.

[thop]

that sounds excellent to me :)

[thop]

This just came to my mind: With update do you mean online update (in the near future) or next version (RV11 ... in the not so near future?)?

Also if you ask me it is a real shame that a piece of software, that was known to be the most bloated and invasive piece of crap ever created (sorry, but it's true), is crippling the RV codec in some way now. RV10 seems to behave nicely, but there is still room left for improvement.

All the things like a web browser, cd burning, library and whatnot may be nice features, but are not needed for people who just want to view or stream some rm files. IMO Real should make a Real(ly)Slim player with the same GUI (which is nice, no doubt) but with only the ability to play/stream (stop/pause/rewind/ff) rm files and nothing else. Cut everything else completely out. No unnecessary options, no tools, no printing, no browsing, no burning, nothing. All the people who like all the extra features and all that stuff can still use the regular player (which can be 10$ then or sth. like that). Ironically enough i'd rather pay for a slim player than for the player with all the extras.

Now i understand Real needs to make money, so this won't be possible. But i believe what Real needs the most now is market share. The more people use the real codec the more people will consider buying RealPlayer some day. And like i said the RealPlayer is holding the codec severly back. There are some alternatives (like RealSplitter) but only tech nuts like us know about it, there's no chance the average joe will ever know about it. Besides, they don't support streaming (if yes tell me how :p).

And even the average joe, who might not be so picky like we are, will only like to be plagued by a player so often before he uninstalls the damn thing and switches to another player. I assume it takes 10x as much effort to win such a customer back, compared to a new customer.

These are just thoughts by a mere codec user, i may be talking about things i have no clue about, or be completely wrong :)

[karl_lillevold]

@thop: you are preaching to the choir. With this I mean that most of the techie people at RealNetworks, developers as well as many others, agree. RealPlayer 10 is one good step in the right direction of behaving nicer, but it may not be enough, considering how bad the reputation is (yes, we do get the feedback, us developers more than the marketeers, since chances are higher we read the tech forums).

A super-slim player is perhaps what we need to earn back trust. The Helix Player will be such a player on Linux. RealOne for OS X is actually also exactly what you suggest, no extras. It has gotten plenty of good feedback. It's the Windows version that includes everything but the kitchen sink.

At least I am happy there are alternatives on Windows, such that the use of RV10 is not prevented by lack of player choice.

Volume slider
Also, I am sad to report that the volume slider will not be fixed anytime soon. It worked the right way for a while, but I received a reply that indicated it was reverted to the old behavior, because usability tests indicated some users were not able to adjust the volume when they wanted to, specifically when a flash app in the browser part of RealPlayer was making sound. Sorry. This is another example how we perhaps could use a lean and mean Windows player for the experienced computer user.

[thop]

That is very unfortunate with the volume slider :( I was thinking it might be sth. like this.

I completely understand that there may be users that like or need these features/behaviours, and i don't want to dictate them what features are bad for them and should be removed just because i don't like them. There should be an alternative though.

It appears to me Real tries to compete with WMP, which is equally bloated in its recent incarnations, but at least you can still use WMP6.4 (also works for streaming) if you want to, which is simple and clean.

A thought just came to my mind: Why can't the volume slider behaviour be an option? Make current way default but make it an option so the more advanced users can change it.

[karl_lillevold]

problems installing RealPlayer 10 if codec pack installed

I wanted to add this information in this thread, since there are a few users of RealAlternative here, and they may have problems installing RealPlayer 10, if they ever wanted to..

Based on reports on hydrogenaudio.org about installer problems with RealPlayer 10, and how it would simply die after the flash screen, even though the installer appeared to run fine, I tried the following to reproduce:

Un-installed RealOne V2 from my secondary computer.
Set System Restore point
Installed RealAlternative 1.04
Ran installer for RealPlayer 10 Beta. No errors, no need to re-boot
Try to start RP10. Flash screen. then nothing!
Restored system to earlier restore point.
So, in at least some cases, I am pretty sure the codec pack is to blame. I will add this to a bug report I have filed on this issue, so we can hopefully make our installer work even in the face of this.

In either case, I also tested the un-installer/cleaner that comes with R1P, r1pclean.exe (http://www.lillevold.com/files/r1pclean.zip). Even though it reports "cannot load setu3260.dll" it does clean up the registry enough such that after this, RP10 runs fine after the installer completes.

[iwod]

@ thop....

If you have been reading this forum for a long time i think you will understand Karl wantedwhat we wanted as well. I bet if he have the choice he would even make a RealCodec Pack that does everything. Just like WinMedia And Vp6 or Divx have there own decoding pack. However as in any company the marketing department is the one that is normally to blame for. ( i remember something similar in Borland where delphi is good.... but .... )

Anyway......... i am sure someday we will figure it out ourself. RealAltenative is a start. ( only if it opens up more on what is does and how it does...) you could make a rv playback only.

But like you said normal user just don't know. The only way to incrase populariy with Rv10 is that somehow you could make WMP and Winamp... or even PowerDVD or WinDVD be able to play Real files as well.. That way Real get free advertising. ( Like a new PowerDVD comes out and out of the box saying Able to play Real Media File )

Anyway... there is still a lot of thing needed to improve. Things like coverting from rm to mkv is consider as bridging the liscense....

To be honest with you i am quite scare that vp6 will take the lead. EVD player will come down in price in matter of months. ( you know how things happen quickly in china ) by then buying a vp6 player will be cheap and playing DVD with vp6 files with ease. While Real is still concentrating on Mobile Devices....

Anyway i hope the new post processing do come before Realplayer 10 turns final and there may be some hope on EHQ 100....... etc...

[DaWolf]

While upgrading I got notified that if I did so I would lose my premium features of the already installed RealOne... Apart from the version number I wouldn't want to call this a major upgrade and resent being asked for money again....

The libary now has a sort of sidebar a la XP. Unlike XP's sidebar I cannot click this thing away though, resulting in loss of screen estate. Not a good idea.

I like it that the video library now supports artists instead of just genre.

I enjoy the one-click rating for files.

Auto-playlist still insists on mixing up audio and video files...

Note: I use Real as player & media library on a multimedia machine for the family. All content is on HD. Real's library allows them to quickly select a movie (or song) and play it without hassle. Being able to arrange the movies by genre *and* 'artist' (title/alphabet) is a plus.
The New option is extremely handy as I always had to point out to them what content had been added :-)

Ruud

[karl_lillevold]

While upgrading I got notified that if I did so I would lose my premium features of the already installed RealOne... Apart from the version number I wouldn't want to call this a major upgrade and resent being asked for money again....
That's understandable, if you use any of the Premium features, included with Superpass or the previous Plus player: *10 Band Equalizer, *More Video Control, *Audio Cross Fader, *Convert Media, *MP3 encoding above 96 kbps (Encoding with AAC is available at all bitrates)

[weidai]

How do I stop realsched.exe from starting up automatically with Windows? I've already done everything listed in the first post, and realsched.exe is still being started automatically.

[opsis81]

Delete it!;)

[karl_lillevold]

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me. This realsched.exe just will not go away, and I was going to file a bug on it yesterday, but someone already had. In the meantime, I have added instructions for how to get rid of it. It's as simple as opsis81 suggests: go to c:\program files\common files\real\Update_OB, and move it away (or delete it)

[thop]

I just realised that the burning engine is just a plug-in and apparently not part of the real player core, shouldn't it be possible to uninstall it then? I'm also curious what the device transfer plug-in is or does. Unfortunately "Tell me more" doesn't know anything about it either ;)

[ookzDVD]

@karl,

finally I can download the realplayer10beta yesterday.

I installed it on my home pc (no internet connection), the player
is still need to download something (audio codec) while playing
rv10 .rmvb with aac. :(

Thank you.

[Sirber]

raac or racp it's trying to download?

[karl_lillevold]

everything should be included to play AAC in RM. If you are trying to play .aac files, it will need to download a renderer plugin (will indicated some other weird name). The only commonly used codec that's not included with RP10 is the one used for amazon previews, called dnet (RealAudio 3.0 I think). Is there any indication as to what it says it needs to download?

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by Sirber
raac or racp it's trying to download?

it's just .rmvb which produced by your Real Anime.

[karl_lillevold]

I think RealAnime uses HE-AAC, so please see the "Playback problems with HE-AAC" in the FAQ in thread on the Real 10 Platform (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68245) : "RealPlayer 10 can not currently play back HE-AAC in RM due to two bugs: 1) the AAC renderer plugin does not recognize the 4cc racp for HE-AAC, triggering an auto-update request. Hex-edit to raac is possible. However, then 2) raac.dll will crash, due to another bug. Both bugs have been fixed, and will be included in the Gold release of RealPlayer 10."

Neither of these bugs affect how MPC plays back AAC or HE-AAC, even when it uses raac."

The detailed explanation of what happens here is that #2 triggers the download request. This is a problem in the renderer for AAC which does not recognize the 4cc racp (for HE-AAC), even though the decoder DLL raac.dll can correctly decode it. However, if you hex-edit the file to have 4cc 'raac', it should only freeze the playback or crash the player. Both bugs have already been fixed, but a new release of the fixed DLLs will not happen until the Gold release of RealPlayer 10. In the meantime, you should be able to use Media Player Classic to play back HE-AAC in RM.

I will update the FAQ with this information. thanks!

[31 Flavas]

Does the new version of RealPlayer10 beta released because of security vulnerabilities (http://www.service.real.com/help/faq/security/040123_player/EN/) include the fixes for he-acc playback? Or do we still have to wait until the Gold release for the he-acc playback fixes?

[karl_lillevold]

I just checked that earlier today, and unfortunately it includes only the realsched.exe fix + those security fixes. The HE-AAC fix was probably not categorized as critical. It will be included in Gold.

[l.s]

The RealPlayer is using the wrong folder as temp dir on Systems >= NT5. Is there any chance, to direct the temp folder to the local settings folder of a user, for all users of a system/domain (and keep the path relative to the profiles dir of the current user). It is a real problem, when all those temp data is squeezed through the network, when using server based profiles.

Is there any chance to disable (or move the position) the clip cache during the installation? As no normal user has write permission, where it is located.

Regards, Lars

[karl_lillevold]

Lars: I have not run into those issues, but I understand they can be problematic. I will file bug reports for both, but I do not know how they will be prioritized. Thanks!

[Demi9OD]

http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=d9 no longer is a direct download, it attemts to launch some kind of download manager IE plugin, but it's not working at all for me. Two days ago when I downloaded it, there was a direct link.

[Sirber]

Works #1 with Mozilla Firebird :D

http://forms.real.com/netzip/fromrde.html?promo=http://www.real.com/R/RDX.fail-redir.R/software-dl.real.com/13c7e007ab175eb34f15/windows/RealPlayer10Beta.exe&type=dl_rp10&rppr=d9

[thop]

Still works for me with IE.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Demi9OD
http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=d9 no longer is a direct download, it attemts to launch some kind of download manager IE plugin, but it's not working at all for me. Two days ago when I downloaded it, there was a direct link.
Odd, it has been working for a long time now. But I never use IE, where it will try to launch some kind of download manager. I stick with Opera, to support my friends in Oslo :)

P.S. Going right to www.real.com is not that bad any longer. Try if you like. The first time you go there you get a big orange button offering to Download the Free Player. And it does! However, a couple of reloads, the button changes to Download the Player. Then you are taken to a 2nd page, which on 2/3 offers the Premium Player, and one the gray 1/3 page to the right, offers the Free Player (with no more hassle than that). I'd say it's better than before.

[bond]

moved to the software player forum, as it isnt really related to codec issues

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer 10 Gold is now available for download. http://www.real.com. By default RealPlayer 10 now rips music CDs to AAC at 192 kbps in the M4A (MP4) container format. The M4A container format is iPod compatible. Thanks to the feedback from hydrogenaudio and doom9! It was part of the reason M4A was chosen.

This is a bug fix release, with not that many new features since Beta. For instance the HE-AAC playback bug is now fixed and the DLL update from Helix Binary Downloads is no longer needed.

Here is a list of some changes:

* Support for AAC (M4A) files, which includes library import,
playback, CD ripping, CD burning, and transfer to portable devices.

* Users can now simultaneously burn a CD and playback a media clip.

* Users can initiate playback of a file that's being download using
another application ("progressive download").

* Installation speed has been improved and the number of icons
installed on the user's machine has been reduced.

* RP10 detects changes in network settings and prompts the user to
set bandwidth, which improves playback if the bandwidth has changed
(such as a laptop that is disconnected from a LAN).

* Improved user interface to make Transfer and Synchronization easier
with portable devices.

* Support for third-party store content including nodes in the Library
to catalog a variety of purchased content types (movies,
audio books, etc.).

* A variety of improvements to Help, How To, Tell Me More, and More Info.

[bond]

great news, karl :)

now we only need mpeg-4 video decoding back! (dont take me too serious ;) )

[kamiller42]

Thank you Karl and all of the Real Networks & Helix developers! I've been enjoying RealJukebox and RealPlayer for years.

Karl,

It is nice to see RA & AAC support. In an earlier thread, you and I discussed an optimal compression level for a music library. I was settled on 192 RA because it was actually AAC. Now there is 192 AAC and 192 RA. Is 192 RA still AAC? What is the difference between the two?

P.S. Would you know of a good skin for use on a HTPC? RP is my HTPC jukebox, but the standard skin is not NTSC TV friendly.

[karl_lillevold]

Thanks! It is nice to hear feedback like this.

192 kbps RealAudio is also AAC, just in the RealMedia container format, so the difference is in the container format only. One can losslessly convert from one to the other and back. If you have the Plus player this functionality should be built in there, maybe also in standard player, but I have not yet verified this myself. The dtdrive cmd line tool (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73279) works as well.

I am sorry I don't know any good skins for HTPC. How is the skin not NTSC friendly? Too small resolution details being lost in interlace flicker, or too large frames?

[kamiller42]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Thanks! It is nice to hear feedback like this.

192 kbps RealAudio is also AAC, just in the RealMedia container format, so the difference is in the container format only.
That's what I figured. I was worried for a moment that Real decided to stay with Cook for all .RA files and put AAC support in its own container. Unless you can tell me what advantage there is of a Real container over M4A, I'm going to use M4A as my next library format. Of course, the help file explains as little as possible about the difference between audio formats, leaving the reader scratching his head and asking "And?!" :-(

I am sorry I don't know any good skins for HTPC. How is the skin not NTSC friendly? Too small resolution details being lost in interlace flicker, or too large frames?
The problems I have with the interface on a tv are the following:
1. Too much white making a difficult situation worse.
2. Fonts can't be sized making it very difficult to read the media browser and other GUI widgets because the font is so small.
3. Buttons need to be larger to allow easy clicking when manuvering the mouse with a remote or at best, a Gyration mouse in the air.

I kind of wish Real did get into HTPC software market like SnapStream or myHTPC, but I guess selling media is the direction Real's going. Nothing wrong with that, but...

[iradic]

hi...

is there any reason to dload new real-player 10 ... i have beta with all updates ... (it's 9 mb and i'm on dial-up 56k)

for riping and burning audio cd's i use other tools... so i use player only for watching rmedia videos...

thanks

[kamiller42]

Originally posted by iradic
hi...

is there any reason to dload new real-player 10 ... i have beta with all updates ... (it's 9 mb and i'm on dial-up 56k)


More than likely includes bug fixes. It's a free download. Go for it! :-)

[wata]

is realplayer going to add stretch support, i hate black border on the left and right screen

[kamiller42]

Originally posted by wata
is realplayer going to add stretch support, i hate black border on the left and right screen
Are you maximizing the screen or going to Full Screen? I have noticed the bars in full screen.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by wata
is realplayer going to add stretch support, i hate black border on the left and right screen
Hmm, not sure I understand the problem. RealPlayer has always supported full screen with stretch. Ctrl-3 is the keyboard shortcut to change to full screen.

[wata]

i know realplayer support fullscreen but not with stretch option
play a video with 352x288 resolution fullscreen will result in black bar on left and right, i can't find any option to stretch the picture to cover the whole screen

[karl_lillevold]

Okay, I understand now. You would like an option to change the display aspect ratio (AR) for a video that might have been encoded with an incorrect display AR.

This is because 352x288 is not 4:3, which your computer screen is. Unfortunately, RealPlayer does not have this option, but there are a few ways to do it:

0) It would have been best to encode the video with the correct display AR in the first place, either resize down to 352x264 or 320x240, or increase the size to 384x288. When the output size is larger than input, Producer will not actually resize, but encode at 352x288 and set a flag so the player displays at 384x288.

1) transmux RM file to MKV. Then use Matroska Shell Extension GUI to change the Display AR to 384x288.

2) hex-edit the RM file and edit 352 to 384. RealPlayer will then fill your screen.

Ideally, RealPlayer should have been able to adjust AR on the fly. Media Player Classic, which can also play RM files with RealPlayer installed, has many features to adjust display properties like AR, offset, and zoom.

[el divx]

@karl_lillevold: Every time I try to load a windows media file, the player crashes. Can you explain it? Oh, and I am using realplayer 10 gold.

[karl_lillevold]

el divx: sorry, I do not know what is wrong. It works for me, and I do not work on the WM plugin, nor do I frequently use RealPlayer to play WM. However, if you PM me the latest crash<n>.log in
C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Real\RealPlayer\ErrorLogs
I will file a bug report.

[wata]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
2) hex-edit the RM file and edit 352 to 384. RealPlayer will then fill your screen.

Ideally, RealPlayer should have been able to adjust AR on the fly. Media Player Classic, which can also play RM files with RealPlayer installed, has many features to adjust display properties like AR, offset, and zoom. [/B]

part 2 is the easier for me, i have lots of video, however can't find the ascii to change 352 to 384, so which offset to modify the hex

ps: i am using mpc for most of the realmedia but some clips i would like to adjust the contast with realplayer limit video controls

[karl_lillevold]

wata: it's not ASCII text, but search for VIDORV40, the two numbers after this, are width and height, for instance:

000000d0h: 00 22 00 00 00 22 56 49 44 4F 52 56 34 30 01 60 ; ."..."VIDORV40.`
352 = 160h, so change 160h to 180h, and all should be well. Well, at least it will now fill the screen and display at the correct AR. I would also recommend D-C's RMVB shell extension (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55392).. Not as advanced as the Matroska Shell extension, but it will show you the basic properties of an RM file, including the display size that you just changed.

[el divx]

@karl_lillevold: Hey there, I managed to resolve this. Instead of trying to reinstall RealPlayer 10, I installed RealOne Player 2 and I started downloading all the updates except RealPlayer 10 until I had installed all that were available for RealOne Player 2 and after a reboot it was working perfectly, and without any problem on WM files. Then, I installed RealPlayer 10 it through the update system of RealOne Player 2, and bingo, it works! I've also put the latest updates and even the ogg plugins and works without any problem!

[iradic]

why does real player wants to sign-in no mattar if i choose "i have no internet connection" ?

not all my comps are connected...

[Blkbird]

Has RealOne Enterprise Desktop been updated to RealPlayer 10 Enterprise Desktop? If no, is it going to happen any soon?

[hellfred]

Hi Karl_lillevold

I just want to mention that on my WinXP Home SP1, RealPlayer 10 Gold still has problems with full screen toggeld by pressing F9 (Theater mode) and then Ctrl+3 (or was it Alt+3).
Desktop disappears and is replaced by a black screen. Turning of fullscrenn/theater mode or switching to another application does not work. Only way out is to kill RealPlayer via TaskManager.

As that system is not connected to the internet I could not update the player.

Hellfred

[karl_lillevold]

blkbird: I think the only upgrade has been to include the codecs, but I will check.

hellfred: you have Win98, right? Which video card? The techniques RealPlayer uses for optimized video playback (overlay) are pretty standard DirectShow methods, so when there is a problem like this, it is in most cases a problem in the video card driver. In some cases, with known driver bugs, RealPlayer uses some work-arounds, but it is hard to keep track of all bugs in older video cards. You can try the slider for Video Card Compatibility in Preferences->Hardware, and see if any other position than far left makes the problem go away.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
blkbird: I think the only upgrade has been to include the codecs, but I will check.

hellfred: you have Win98, right? Which video card? The techniques RealPlayer uses for optimized video playback (overlay) are pretty standard DirectShow methods, so when there is a problem like this, it is in most cases a problem in the video card driver. In some cases, with known driver bugs, RealPlayer uses some work-arounds, but it is hard to keep track of all bugs in older video cards. You can try the slider for Video Card Compatibility in Preferences->Hardware, and see if any other position than far left makes the problem go away.
I have acdess to two different machines: One old PIII-550MHz with Windows98, which is mine, and one P4-3.06GHz HT running WinXP SP1 (see message above).
The later one is mainly used for encoding during night time but there i also happen to have the problem with video fullscreen.
I do can watch the video in fullscreen, but only when i switch to theater mode and ask for zoom factor 2. As the two time source width is wider than screen width, the image is just zoomed to fit on the screen (->"fullscreen"). Using the icon or shortcut for fullscreen will result in the black output discribed above. If it is an driver issue, then it must be in the special way RealPlayer activates the direct show output, which must somehow differ from the way the direct show output is triggered when using factor 2.

Hellfred

/Edit: It is getting stranger. I can use Ctrl+3 to get into full screen mode during playback sucessfully, but while viewing AVIs.
When i try to switch into fullscreen while playing one of my home made RV10, I get the black screen.
My home made files were done with the beta of helix producer, 640x384, HE-AAC @ 64, RV10 @ 600, new RC, using YSRealAnime pre2.

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer is doing things differently wrt overlay surfaces when it's playing RealVideo vs AVI files, so I am not surprised it behaves differently.

1) For recent ATI cards (Radeon 8xxx and above), RealPlayer uses a h/w based postfilter (DVPF). This is not doing anything for RV9/10, but still the same pipeline is being used for video mem cpy, and has sometimes caused problems, but only with older Catalyst drivers, I think. Do your systems have ATI Radeon video cards?
You can disable DVPF with this reg key (http://www.lillevold.com/files/nodvpf.reg):

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RealNetworks\RealMediaSDK\10.0\Preferences\VideoBoost\DisableHWPostFilter]
@="1"


2) For RealVideo a triple-buffer scheme is used to avoid tearing. I think DirectShow based players used a similar scheme. You can disable this by moving the video card h/w compatibility slider to the middle. Please try this.

EDIT: reg key : 6.0 -> 10.0

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
RealPlayer is doing things differently wrt overlay surfaces when it's playing RealVideo vs AVI files, so I am not surprised it behaves differently.

1) For recent ATI cards (Radeon 8xxx and above), RealPlayer uses a h/w based postfilter (DVPF). This is not doing anything for RV9/10, but still the same pipeline is being used for video mem cpy, and has sometimes caused problems, but only with older Catalyst drivers, I think. Do your systems have ATI Radeon video cards?
You can disable DVPF with this reg key (http://www.lillevold.com/files/nodvpf.reg):

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RealNetworks\RealMediaSDK\6.0\Preferences\VideoBoost\DisableHWPostFilter]
@="1"


2) For RealVideo a triple-buffer scheme is used to avoid tearing. I think DirectShow based players used a similar scheme. You can disable this by moving the video card h/w compatibility slider to the middle. Please try this.
1.)

The card in this machine is a special ATI card:

Medion RADEON 9800XL
Driver from ATI Technologies Inc.
Date: 12.08.2003
Version: 6.14.10.6378

I will try to get a newer dirver. Switching the DV postfilter on and off did not do the trick. I am still unable to go to fullscreen directly.

2.)
RealPlayer -> Tools -> Preferences.. -> Hardware -> Video Card Compatibility -> middel position

Fullscreen is finally working with RV10 videos :-)
Do I have a chance to get the triple-buffering working with the latest driver or by changing the Output settings in MediaPlayerClassic. Aren't those gloabal and can harm the output of RealPlayer?
In the moment they are set like this:
DirectShow Video: VMR9 (renderless)
RealMedia Video: DirectX 9
VMR7/9 & DirectX 7/9 settings: Use regular offscreen plain surfaces

74 MB for a ATI dirver. That is not ture, is it?

[karl_lillevold]

that's a pretty old ATI driver you have, and I think this driver had a bug in the DVPF postfilter, so I am surprised the reg key did not work. Ah, I think the reg location changed in RealPlayer 10. Replace "6.0" with "10.0" in the reg key and try again... Remember to move the slider back to fully optimized...

EDIT: Triple-buffering should work just fine in Media Player Classic, no matter what you set the h/w compatibility to in RealPlayer 10. MPC does not use the RealMedia rendering engine, when it is set to DirectShow for RealMedia.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
that's a pretty old ATI driver you have, and I think this driver had a bug in the DVPF postfilter, so I am surprised the reg key did not work. Ah, I think the reg location changed in RealPlayer 10. Replace "6.0" with "10.0" in the reg key and try again... Remember to move the slider back to fully optimized...

EDIT: Triple-buffering should work just fine in Media Player Classic, no matter what you set the h/w compatibility to in RealPlayer 10. MPC does not use the RealMedia rendering engine, when it is set to DirectShow for RealMedia.
As this card was specially made for the manufactor Medion, i only have little choice concerning dirvers:

ATI
Grafik Treiber
6.14.10.6378
Win XP
Bereitstellungsdatum 18.12.2003

or

ATI
Grafik Treiber
6.14.10.6378
Win 2000/Win 98SE/Win ME/Win XP
Bereitstellungsdatum 17.11.2003
Bisherige Downloads 37612

(http://www1.medion.de/downloads/?op=search&lang=de&type=TEXT&param=9800+XL&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0)
So actually I just get the dirver v6.14.10.6378 from the manufactor :(

Do you think i can use an generic crystal driver from ATI?

CATALYST Windows XP 4.4 - Driver Download
(http://www.ati.de/support/drivers/winxp/radeonwdm-xp.html?type=xp&prodType=graphic&prod=productsXPdriver&submit.x=9&submit.y=8&submit=GO%21)

Hellfred

EDIT: The Releas notes of the 4.4 Catalyst driver claim to support the whole 9800 family. I hope they did not forget the 9800XL when stating this.

[Valky]

I just upgraded my player to this newer one and noticed one thing. In RealPlayer the picture somehow much more colourful and sharpen than in mpc. Why is that? It's almost like my hard efforts for removing the rainbow effects in old Fawlty Tower backups are back when using RealPlayer to watch these clips?

[bond]

lo karl
i just read that the new realplayer seems to support .mp4 (with mpeg-4 video) playback again,
someone reported some problems with it tough here (https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2593473), maybe you want to have a look or point someone from real to it

[karl_lillevold]

That's right: RealPlayer 10 now again auto-updates with an MPEG-4 video decoder, no longer Envivio's though.

Re: reported problems on SourceForge
The PAR problem, which is discussed in the Helix Player forum on Helix Community (https://helixcommunity.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=346&forum_id=7), is being worked on. I can not see any problems with A/V sync on my system, and I do not know which XviD settings our decoder can not decode. If the person having these problems reports them on Helix Community and includes some test files to reproduce, someone will look into it. Thanks.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
That's right: RealPlayer 10 now again auto-updates with an MPEG-4 video decoder, no longer Envivio's though.great! :)
do you know if it supports full advanced simple profile and streamed mp4s too?
yeah, i know i should test it myself :D

Re: reported problems on SourceForge
The PAR problem, which is discussed in the Helix Player forum on Helix Community (https://helixcommunity.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=346&forum_id=7), is being worked on. I can not see any problems with A/V sync on my system, and I do not know which XviD settings our decoder can not decode. If the person having these problems reports them on Helix Community and includes some test files to reproduce, someone will look into it. Thanks. ok, thanks :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Great news about Mpeg4 and MP4 playback Karl,

In previous players, Mpeg4 playback looked like it comprised of thousands of tiny blocks!

Do you have any cool features planned for the decoder?


Cheers

[karl_lillevold]

The decoder supports the Simple Profile and as far as I know, both local playback and streaming. We have Advanced Simple features implemented, but they were not well enough tested to be made available in the current release.

Now what would be cool features :) ?

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
The decoder supports the Simple Profile and as far as I know, both local playback and streaming. We have Advanced Simple features implemented, but they were not well enough tested to be made available in the current release.goodie :)

Now what would be cool features :) ?mpeg-4 systems decoding, smart enough to handle systems streams, created by my mp4menu script :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Now what would be cool features :) ? Anamorphic signalling detection in both AVI and MP4.

Elementary stream playback

Chapter search

Subtitle support

Menu support

Video image flipping (XviD DSdec has that and I like it :D)

Stream analysis (frames, ?-VOP's, Qpel, VBR)


Cheers

[iradic]

hi

i have been adding some clip info in job files (title, author, copyright, keywords, comment, created with and description) but in 'RealPlayer -> View Clip Info' i can only see title, author and copyright... (also gabest real splitter shows comment instead of description or maybe it should be like that - well it doesnt matter)...

so everytime i need to go to 'Edit Clip Info' and change things - also i use 'Lyrics' instead of 'Description'...

another thing - tried rmeditor to change some mistakes in info in rmvb file (spelling) but resulting file is unplayable - cmd line: rmedtior -i <infile> -t "<title>" -o <outfile> (file info was already edited in RealPlayer)...

thanks bye

[karl_lillevold]

Jul 2004: RealPlayer 10.5 Beta is available for download. http://www.real.com/harmony. It includes the Harmony technology which enables your purchased songs from the RealNetworks Music store at 192 kbps AAC to be transferred to a number of portable devices, including the iPod. See this post and thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24321&view=findpost&p=229181) for some details.

Quote from post on hydrogenaudio.org:

"As you know, the RealNetworks music store sells songs in 192 kbps AAC (as opposed to iTMS at 128 kbps). When transferring your purchased songs to the iPod, the AAC itself is not touched, but the Helix DRM is transmuxed to a DRM compatible with the iPod, i.e. fully protected and without trans-coding. If you then transfer the file back to your PC (for instance with Anapod), you get an M4P file, that is a protected MPEG-4 AAC file."

I did not work on this myself, I work with video codecs, but this is how you will see it works, after 5 minutes of testing, and is how the press release describes it as well, in less technical terms."

[bond]

heya karl, i recently played around with realplayers .mp4 capabilities and i found the following two things:

1) realplayer doesnt seem to be able to play .mp4 files with 64bit atoms, as written by default by nero recode2

2) realplayer doesnt seem to be able to play mp3 audio streams placed in .mp4, altough the player is able to play .mp3 of course
i think that issue should be maybe very easily solvable :)

apart from that the latest version seem to support full advanced simple profile already!
good work real :)

[karl_lillevold]

bond: thanks! and I did verify #1, which should be filed as a bug shortly. I also created a sample for #2, using mp4creator60, which plays in RealPlayer 10, but with occasional gaps in audio playback.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
I also created a sample for #2, using mp4creator60, which plays in RealPlayer 10, but with occasional gaps in audio playback.hm i dunno how i created the mp3-in-mp4 sample, but i now remuxed a mp3 to mp4 with 3ivx and it worked great (no gaps)! realplayer also played back perfectly mp2/mp1 in .mp4

on another side i seem to have been to early: realplayer only played back the advanced simple profile mpeg-4 video stream cause it seems to wrap the directshow filters installed, after uninstalling 3ivx, i now get a message from quicktime, that it cant play asp :D
is there any way to check what plays the file, and is there a way to disable that for example quicktime gets used, or do i have to uninstall everything, which could play a .mp4 on my system to get realplayer itself decode the file :D

and another question related to streaming: do you know what streaming methods realplayer supports? will it support .mp4 files streamed from apples darwin server?

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow directly for playback, but it does use Quicktime for .mov, which I guess may call DirectShow indirectly. I am not sure, since on my system I can play back .mp4 in RealPlayer itself using Real's MPEG-4 video decoder, so I can not reproduce your problem.

The player should show 'qt' right next to the bitrate if it uses Quicktime. Another option is
Tools->Playback Statistics->Streams, and then select the audio or video stream in the pull-down menu.

EDIT: if Quicktime, streams info above should be blank. If using Real's decoders, it should say "MPEG-4 Video" and/or "AAC Audio".

[bond]

hm can you confirm that playback of mpeg-4 asp (b-frames, qpel, gmc aso) works?

here with 10.5 i see two situations:
i open a asp .mp4 file with b-frames only - i get a "quicktime warning: cant play...", a message which is obvioulsy from quicktime itself, which i also have installed
after the message the player freezes

the other situation is a full asp stream in .mp4, with qpel, b-vops, gmc, custom quants - i only get a "cannot start playback" message from realplayer

[karl_lillevold]

bond: The Real MPEG-4 video decoder is only Simple Profile, not Advanced Simple. Our Qpel and GMC implementations were not included. Any advice on encoder or muxer to use to create an MPEG-4 video file with Simple + B frames?

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Any advice on encoder or muxer to use to create an MPEG-4 video file with Simple + B frames?the best muxers are 3ivx and mp4box, i dont know any issues with them currently
for the codec side, it should work with divx5, xvid, ffdshow/ffvfw...

[karl_lillevold]

thanks, I created some sample files (http://www.lillevold.com/files/video_samples) for feature experiments .. Directory contains both AVI and MP4 versions. I used the 3ivx Muxer (4.5.1) to convert from AVI to MP4:

video_xvid_simple.mp4: plays without error
video_xvid_b.mp4: plays *)
video_ffdshow_b.mp4: plays *)
video_xvid_b_qpel.mp4: plays with distortion

*) In the Simple+B versions, both ffdshow and XviD encoded, the 3ivx Muxer seems to have discarded the 1st key frame, or introduced some other error. The AVIs play OK, but the MP4 versions not in any player or decoder.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
I used the 3ivx Muxer (4.5.1) to convert from AVI to MP4:ah, one thing i forgot about 3ivx is that it indicates always simple profile in the .mp4, no matter what profile the stream actually is
this not the case with mp4box
this makes a difference for quicktime, as qt blocks all .mp4 files when they indicate asp, without looking at the streams themselves

video_xvid_b.mp4: plays *)i get the qt message again (i use version 10.5)
video_xvid_b_qpel.mp4: plays with distortioni get the "cant start playback" message

how can i check that i have the real mpeg-4 video plugin installed? and that it is used during playback?

In the Simple+B versions, both ffdshow and XviD encoded, the 3ivx Muxer seems to have discarded the 1st key frame, or introduced some other error. The AVIs play OK, but the MP4 versions not in any player or decoder.hm interesting, i know that this can happen when you disable "use clock" in graphedit when muxing

[karl_lillevold]

A little late, but I added to the News section in the first post, the information about 49c music downloads from the Real Music store using RealPlayer 10.5. Yes, songs are being sold at a loss, essentially subsidizing everyone's purchases, so the promotion will not last much longer. I apologize for the "sales pitch", but it is a little unique, and is not likely to occur again soon.

The topic is discussed on hydrogenaudio (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26213).

[S_O]

I found bug in RealPlayer: I played a mp4 (in fact it is 3gp) in it, but always when I move the mouse over the video window, the video breaks, it becomes blocky, the colors are wrong, etc. That´s normally fixed when I move the mouse outside the video and the next I frame is there.
Also I tried to play a mp4 on a system without QuickTime installed: It downloads additionally software, then it tells me that I need QuickTime. It even refuses just to play the AAC inside without video.
Another problem is, a file that starts in QuickTime with a warning, that the profile used is not supported by QT, also it plays fine in QT, RealPlayer shows the same messagebox, but the window is not active and I cannot click it, also the player window is disabled and I have to kill RealPlayer using the Task-Manager. This seems to happen randomly.

Any idea when the Real MPEG-4 Decoder become publicly available? Will it correctly decode all MPEG-4 ASP (AVC?) Video? Does it contain decoders for the other MPEG-4 Audio Formats (CELP, TwinVQ, HVXC), that there is finally a more or less complete MPEG-4 implementation?

[karl_lillevold]

Thanks for reporting these problems. I can not reproduce them here though with my example .3gp files. On a system without Quicktime, RealPlayer downloads plugins for H.263, 3GPP, and MPEG-4 video when I try to play such a file. Thereafter it plays fine, without any inter-action with, or help from Quicktime.

So as far as I know, we have MPEG-4 SP publicly available at the moment, but I do not know if there are plans to upgrade to ASP. H.264 (AVC) is a completely different codec than MPEG-4 ASP. We do not currently support H.264.

If you like you can upload your file via a web page I will send in a PM. Maybe I have more luck reproducing the problem with your file. Thanks.

[rigel]

earlier on this thread there was a discussion about the player changing the WaveOut volume. But another similar issue that annoys me much more is that simultaneously it also changes the CD volume, and even de-mute's it. I have the CD audio mostly muted because I rarely use it and it tends to produce a loud noise for me, when nothing is playing :(

Edit:
Just installed 10.5 and that seems to be fixed now.... yay :D

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold

Codec Pack?
If you have ever installed a codec pack (RealAlternative) in the past, it appears to be necessary to first run r1pclean.exe (http://www.lillevold.com/files/r1pclean.zip).

I downloaded this app. On executing the exe. file in the zip file, the following error message resulted:

"This application failed to start because PNCRT.dll was not found".

Therefore, I don't think r1pclean.exe did anything, as all I saw was that error message.

Was a file called "PNCRT.dll" supposed to be in the zip file, but was missing? If so, please fix the uploaded zip file.

Or is it assumed that this file would already be on the system? Is it ("PNCRT.dll") part of RealPlayer, or part of RealAlt? (I already uninstalled both of those, but since you wrote that they don't become completely uninstalled, I was going to run your program as well.)

Please reply. Thank you.

[karl_lillevold]

Yo: The cleaner appears to be necessary only if RealAlternative's or RealPlayer's uninstallers fail. Like I wrote in the first post : "Uninstalling RealAlternative, via its uninstaller, before installing RP10, has also been reported to work." I think it should be OK for you to install RealPlayer at this point.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Yo: The cleaner appears to be necessary only if RealAlternative's or RealPlayer's uninstallers fail. Like I wrote in the first post : "Uninstalling RealAlternative, via its uninstaller, before installing RP10, has also been reported to work." I think it should be OK for you to install RealPlayer at this point.

Well, I'm not sure that either or both RP and RA were uninstalled correctly. I guess I can try installing, and see if I have problems.

Anyhow, do you know why I got the error message I did? What is PNCRT.dll?

[karl_lillevold]

pncrt.dll is just RealNetworks' version of the C runtime DLL. If you still want to run the cleaner you can get pncrt.dll here (http://www.lillevold.com/files/pncrt.zip). Unzip in windows\system32 or in the same folder as the cleaner tool.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
pncrt.dll is just RealNetworks' version of the C runtime DLL. If you still want to run the cleaner you can get pncrt.dll here (http://www.lillevold.com/files/pncrt.zip). Unzip in windows\system32 or in the same folder as the cleaner tool.

Thank you. I downloaded that, put it in the same folder as the cleaner tool, and executed the latter.

It opened in a command prompt, and in that I got a different error message:

"Cannot load setu3260.dll."

Now what do I do? Do you have that one on your site as well? And if I downloaded that and put it in the same folder, would I get yet another error message about a missing DLL?

[karl_lillevold]

Yo: Please re-read the first post in this thread; the last part about the cleaning tool. It specifically mentions the lack of this DLL.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Yo: Please re-read the first post in this thread; the last part about the cleaning tool. It specifically mentions the lack of this DLL.

Here is what it says:

"Even though it reports "cannot load setu3260.dll" it does clean up the registry enough such that after this, RP10 runs fine after the installer completes."


Do you mean that even though that error message came on right away, and that it looked like the program didn't do anything, came immediately to that error message, it really did do something and cleaned the registry?

[karl_lillevold]

yes.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
I found bug in RealPlayer: I played a mp4 (in fact it is 3gp) in it, but always when I move the mouse over the video window, the video breaks, it becomes blocky, the colors are wrong, etc. That´s normally fixed when I move the mouse outside the video and the next I frame is there.

Here is the expected behaviour of RealPlayer for MPEG-4 content:

"The way our system works is that we use RN's MPEG4 plugin if it is on the user's machine, QuickTime if it is not. If a user already has QuickTime, we don't send a missing plugin request since we already have the ability to play back the content. When playing the same content using the QuickTime application on that machine, is the behavior any better? In general we should be able to do as well as QT does."

As you can see, whether or not the Quicktime plugin is used depends on which is installed first. For MOV files, Quicktime should always be used, I think. I already have your 3gp example, which you report results in blocky video, but on my system plays fine using RN's plugin, whereas QT completely fails to play it. However, I do not have any MOV/MPEG-4 examples which exhibits the dialog box problem you describe. If you upload this to me as well, I will make sure bug reports are files for both problems. It would also be useful to know which version of Quicktime you have. Thanks.

[karl_lillevold]

FYI: There is a security update available for RealPlayer. Detailed description and updates available here:
http://service.real.com/help/faq/security/040928_player/EN/
(yes, RealPlayer sometimes has those too :scared: )

[S_O]

I have a problem with RealPlayer: I never really use it, nearly only for embed-web-videos or testing. But now I noticed that the picture in RealPlayer is much darker than in Media Player Classic. I found out that the problem is the overlay renderer, it will output a much too dark image on my PC.
I found a switch in the hardware options in RealPlayer and I selected the less optimized versions with overlay disabled. Now image looks the same as in MPC, but when I resize player now, I´ll get pixels (like in QuickTime). Is there any way to use the renderer (VMR 9 renderless) Media Player Classic uses?

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer should be using a standard overlay surface for h/w optimized playback. If you get pixelation when resizing, this has been turned off. If your overlay surface is too dark, maybe you can adjust it in the video card driver settings. On the systems I have tried (gets to be quite a few), RealPlayer video looks exactly the same as in MPC/Zoom Player/any DS player.

[S_O]

RealPlayer video looks exactly the same as in MPC/Zoom Player/any DS player.When I switch to overlay in MPC it really looks identicall.
maybe you can adjust it in the video card driver settings.
In fact there is a setting for it, but when I change it that overlay looks good, video in the other renderers doesn´t look good anymore. Either overlay or the others are broken.

Can I disable overlay and use VMR instead in RealPlayer?

P.S.: Any news from the player-team, because of the plug-ins?

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
Can I disable overlay and use VMR instead in RealPlayer? [
No, I am afraid VMR is not an option. RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow, but has its own renderer, DirectShow independent.

P.S.: Any news from the player-team, because of the plug-ins? [
I am sorry, not sure I understand. Is this question related to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83644)? I posted the latest news there, but it does not hurt to repeat here in the Software Players forum and main RealPlayer thread:

"Well, I finally learned why auto-update to our own MPEG-4 Video plugins has always worked for me, and not for you guys.. It turns out RealNetworks decided this is a "Plus" feature, due to the MPEG-4 license fees that need to be covered for each download. As employees, we have free "Superpass", which includes all "Plus" features ... I should have logged out and auto-update would not have worked for me either.

In any case, for this reason I can not make the MP4 auto-update file widely available, but anyone who has trouble with MPEG-4 and 3GPP in their RealPlayer, can PM me their e-mail address, and I will e-mail you the file. Please include the sentence "I will not re-distribute", in your PM. If I get too many requests, offer may end at any time ".

and I am afraid there exists no list of these auto-update "trigger files"...

[S_O]

No, I am afraid VMR is not an option. RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow, but has its own renderer, DirectShow independent.I yust installed a new driver for my graphics adapter, now I can change the overlay settings seperatly and was able to fix overlay display :)

I am sorry, not sure I understand.I was refering to the mail you sent me on wednesday. About the trigger-files. That this list doesn´t exist means I have to play 20 files yust to get RealPlayer install all plug-ins? Why do all the plug-ins do not show up in auto-update (let me guess, RealNetworks needs to pay everytime DolbyNet decoder is downloaded, so it can only be downloaded when it´s really needed)?

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
Why do all the plug-ins do not show up in auto-update (let me guess, RealNetworks needs to pay everytime DolbyNet decoder is downloaded, so it can only be downloaded when it´s really needed)?
This sounds like an accurate guess :rolleyes:

[Winamp_Hater]

Help me, Please!
I use the RealPlayer almost two years (for all - mp3s, oggs and other video and audio formats)
But before two weeks I've installed a DFX plugin for RealPlayer 10.5.
I've uninstalled it, because I didn't like it.
But then.......:(
Every time I start RealPlayer , the computer begins to beat. When I stop the RealPlayer, It continues the beat (only for a second).
I've deleted the realscheduler and I've reinstalled the player a lot of times.
I don't want to use another player - I can's stand Winamp, WMP does not recognises so many formats......
Can you help me fix the problem?

[bananacreamandpeca]

Wow..,
is karl in any way involved with the realplayer rmvb codec?
I really like the quality. stays sharp and crisp can handle dark areas better than xvid. thanks.
I also want to start using rmvb, since xvid proves to be more
and more a decentralized p.i.t.a. with quality fluctuations and
because of many people messing with it and just takes too much of my time to try
enhance the xvid codec matrixes to encode certain parts of a video well.

I'll give realplayer a try ;)

[karl_lillevold]

Yesterday and today Steve Bass posted a nice tutorial on how to get an ad-free RealPlayer (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006661.html), as well as how to install it cleanly (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006662.html), in his Tips and Tweaks column in PC World.

P.S. I should update this thread for RealPlayer 11, but there are not many changes in the topics covered here.

Karl.

[real_]

It about realOne player. I always liked design realOne player, but I would like to change something. Once for a long time I have downloaded the build of this player, and the line of time and the name of a song was below at once under buttons as in RealPlayer v 10 or v10.5. It was realONE and I don't like other builds since the tenth(RealPlayer10). But now I cannot find this build of a player. I have downloaded 15 builds of a realOne player and in them a line of information about time above.
I tried to change coordinates of a default skin in a file normal.vs->normal.xmb. But unsuccessfully.
Somebody can will prompt what I should change in its default skin? If here it cannot be discussed for any reasons, prompt please where I can ask about it also.
Please please help me with the decision of this problem, I any more do not know where will address, it is very important for me. :(
many Thanks.

Still I have an idea to make addition or plug-in to a player in the form of the menu or tray with a render choice, a digital zoom, a choice of the aspect ratio, etc. is possible similar was already developed, please leave the link to a resource.
And any suggestions please.
many Thanks to all.