DOIF4U won't rip still menu subs

[Chubmeister]

Managed to solve most things by looking thru here, not this one...

I am backing up a dvd and a very small part of the extras has 2 still menus in 2 sequential pgcs. They are very small and rip from DIF4U in the normal 'no-cce' format. They have audio?? and also subpicture 0x20??(F) forced i assume?

In the original dvd these stills are selected from just a single menu button (this menu from another vts set and works as it should). this button loads up the first still and has a subpicture saying 'main' & 'next'. Pressing next sends it to the 2nd pgc still, which in turn has a subpicture 'main' & 'previous'.

I didnt pay enough attention at first and compiled the project without realising I hadn't put a subpicture in. What happens in my authoured version is that the first still comes up but the buttons do not work (presumably these don't work because of the missing subpicture?), this means i cannot get to the second still or even go back to the main menu.

I went back to DIF4U and it wouldnt extract the subs. I used subrip to get sst files but it won't allow me to import subs to a still menu.

So how do I fix this problem? can someone direct me to the right forum if it's not a scenarist problem. apologies I don't know how menu's work, hopefully it's really simple and I've just managed to miss it.

Many thanks

stream info on the pgc is..

pgc 01 (00.00.00.10)-0x80 / 0x20
pgc 02 (00.00.00.10)-0x80 / 0x20

the stereo channel just gives me an ac3-0byte file (do i need this?)
the .m2v files are just a still image approx. 100kb each

[Zeul]

if this is truly a menu it will reside in the *_0.VOB file NOT the *_1+.VOB files. DIF4U will only process the non-menu vobs.

But if you do have a menu that is actually in the main titleset that is very interesting.

[jel]

okay just a few suggestions....(i'm at work and nowhere near scenarist so i cant try this out....but...)

stream info on the pgc is..

pgc 01 (00.00.00.10)-0x80 / 0x20
pgc 02 (00.00.00.10)-0x80 / 0x20

the stereo channel just gives me an ac3-0byte file (do i need this?)
the .m2v files are just a still image approx. 100kb each

question - when you try to import the sst file does it give you an error about 'exceeding scene duration' or something?
if so

edit/remembered thatyou might have to delete the tracks in the scenario editor first....then....
try deleting the 'track' for pgc_01 and pgc_02
then delete the 'data' for pgc_01 and pgc_02

then import them again as new data.

then drag them into the 'track editor window' and when prompted define them as 'still menu'

double click on them (you have to do each step twice...once for each pgc) in the track editor, add the ac3 file (if you have issues with this, find the kbps rate of the required file, and download trilights audio dummy files and use the correct one of those - 192,384, 448 etc)
then check your bitmap that subrip created (there should only be one per pgc) and if it looks right, simply drag and drop it onto the track, then nominate it as subpic with forced start)

then drag these new 'tracks' to their correct locations in the scenario editor.

if all that works, all you have to do is create your buttons, and for that, see this guide (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/scenarist.htm)

to make life easier, use menuedit to find out your button commnads.
see influenzas guide (http://www.doom9.org/mpg/Button%20over%20video%20guide%20by%20Influenza.htm)

edit/ if you cant find the commands using menu edit, try using vobedit as desribed by OxP
here (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/infinifilm.htm) with some hints i suggested in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66622)

hope that helps
j

[Chubmeister]

Hmm, this is clearly something a little odd, I'm at work now but will post some ifoedit info later...

Zeul - I should know better that the menu's reside in the *_0.VOB, I didn't think to check this, however I'm sure it's using the subpicture that dosent rip for the buttons, I'll check with vobrator later. The subpicture has the buttons 'main' and 'next' (or 'previous') for each pgc, the still image also has the 'main' and 'next' in the still?? why have they done this?

Jel - It won't let me import .sst file into still menu, it's greyed out. However, my next attempt was to try something along the lines you suggest with the .bmp files which would be new ground for me, which is fine, but I was hoping for something simpler. Yep, got dummy audio files, but why does it need them? I didnt think you could have audio on a menu still. It's about time I got to grips with buttons etc, thanks for the links to your threads :)

Just for more info, this dvd is actually the recently released Official History of Leicester City (who? Father-in-Laws Xmas gift, honest!), VTS01 is the main movie, VTS02 is legal & advertisement stuff and VTS03 is the extras where the stills lie, containing 13 pgcs, the first 3 are normal movie clips, then the next 8 are the stills (I know I said two pgcs in the first post, i was just keeping it simple) and the last 2 pgcs are interview movie clips. The 8 stills are actually club records, history pages, most goals scored, appearances etc. As Zeul suggested these should be in the VTS03_0.VOB, seems like an afterthought when they compiled the DVD, what do you think?

Thanks for the input folks, just a bit more needed :)

extra edited bit - Jel - I looked thru the 'exceeding scene duration' posts and didn't think it related to this problem as none of them describe having a menu involved.

[Chubmeister]

I've shamefully taken the easy way out...

The menu stills are not in the root VOB as Zeul pointed out they should be, they are rebuilt using the stills and subs, but, the big 3 cannot seem to deal with it - perhaps someone wants to look into this?

What I did was to use DVDshrink (curse me I know, I had to dust off the old program), shrunk down the whole of the VTS03 set which included the stills, just compiled the main movie VTS in scenarist, patched it back together, ifoupdate as normal and hey presto! Had to use DVDshrink a few times to get the right shrink rate to match my already authored main movie.

This issue is unlikely to come up again, I reckon it was definately an afterthought on the original DVD.

I promise to learn more about menus and navigation stuff, thanks for help folks.

Chubs

[jel]

Yep, got dummy audio files, but why does it need them? I didnt think you could have audio on a menu still. iirc it has something to do with requirements that all pgcs within a vts have the 'same' audio tracks.
I looked thru the 'exceeding scene duration' posts and didn't think it related to this problem as none of them describe having a menu involved. i have noticed on a few occasions with really short pgcs (10 frames or so) that the duration gets messed up to one frame? then, if you try to import subs etc scenarist complains about execeeding scene duration etc. the only way i have found around it is to re-import and set-up these tracks correctly.

just noticed your new post while i was writing this.....
oh well, at least you got it working.
rock on
j

[Eyes`Only]

I'm pretty sure the simple version of this issue was that you had the sub pgc threshold set at 1 min, and the stills did not qualify for demuxing because they are under that threshold. Shoulda set the threshold to where you wanted it (0 would have disabled it, I think)

[Chubmeister]

Thanks Eyes'Only, you're absolutely right, I did have the vobsub settings at the default 1min, changing it to zero did rip the subs as expected. I didn't realise there was a setting for the subs.

Of course, it seems I still have to setup the buttons and navigation manually, which is beyond my knowledge at the moment. I'll be reading through the guides until I get the hang of this.

All, thanks for help

Chubs