video is not the size that resolution says

[nate klefsas]

hi, I've had this problem for as long as I can rember. When I make a movie it seems as if my resizing settings arent working. I set the resolution to be around 300 or so by 170 or so, small for quality purposes cause Its only going to be on one cd. So I make the movie, everything seems to go fine, I open up the properties of the movie and it says that It has a resolution of 300 by 170 right, wrong. no mater what I set the resolution to be on the slider bar, when I make the movie it always comes out to be the same size. by this I mean that their is the same sized letter box ontop and bottom of the movie every time and I think the movie resolution is around 700 by 600, the letter box is very small and the movie takes up almost all of the screen no matter what the resolution is set to on the slider bar. I do a compressability check, then adjust the resolution, then save and encode, is that right? If I lower the resolution 300 by 170 to get a better picture, shouldent their be a bigger letterbox to compensate for the video size difference. I really hope someone can help me out. I have a feeling the my avisynth isint set up right, under the avisynth frameserver window, in the plugins line, only the first 2 plugins are loaded,

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\mpeg2dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\undot.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\decomb.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\KernelDeInt.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\dgbob.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Convolution3d.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\FluxSmooth.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\TomsMoComp.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\VSFilter.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\SimpleResize.dll")

should simple resize be loaded too? no # infront of it. If so how would I do this, delete the # infont of it ans then hit save and encode in the framserver window?

[jggimi]

Perhaps you're confusing "full screen mode" in your .avi player with the resolution of the .avi file itself.

The commented lines are not normally used unless selected by you in the .avs filter selection window. That's the one that pops up when you press the "Save & Encode" button on the preview window. For example, the decomb.dll plugin will be uncommented if you select Field Deinterlace or Inverse Telecine.

You can always check the .avi file using GSpot (http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Editing/gspot221.exe), which will tell you a whole lot about what's inside an .avi file. Of course, if you just open one of your .avi files in VirtualDubMod (Start..Programs...Gordian Knot..Apps...VirtualDubMod), you will see the actual resolution of the file in the window for yourself, and see the resolution values by using the File...File Information command.

[nate klefsas]

320x176 (1.82:1) [=20:11] I used g spot and it does say that I have the resolution I want. But I think the actual file I made is lieing to me. If the movie is actually 320x176 then shouldent the actual video from the movie, the window that is see the movie in, which is between the upper and lower letterbox, be pretty small. like the letterbox, upper and lower put together should be bigger then the actual video window. If I want a higher quality movie, shouldent the vertical height of the video/viewing window where there is actual picture taken from the movie, be smaller/ squished to save space making a higher quality movie?

[manono]

Hi-

I didn't understand all of that. But say you're watching on your monitor, and the monitor is 4:3, so 4:3 with 320 horizontal resolution is 320x240. So, 240 is the vertical pixel height. You say you have 176 pixels of video height. 240-176=64 pixels of added black bars total, or 32 pixels above and below. Or looking at it another way, 64/240=.267. So just over 1/4 of the screen should be black bars, and not upper and lower put together should be bigger then the actual video window. If you're still wondering about it, go find something round in one of your movies, such as a sun or moon, a clock or a ball or a tire. If they are round and not oval, then I think you can rest assured that the AR is OK. I suppose there's a chance you're not playing at 1:1 resolution, but at 4:3 or 16:9, so maybe check your player settings. But it seems to me that if both Explorer and GSpot are saying it's 320x176, then that's what it is.

And if I've said anything wrong, or stupid, then someone please correct me.

[nate klefsas]

I checked out the setting for some divx's that I have downloaded, and the resolution is around 720x288, and it looks the way I want it to look. I'm doing a little test to see if I can get it to work. I now know after searching the forum and looking at some of the divx file I have downloaded that in order to get a proper looking divx file that will open correctly in any media player I need to leave the width at a very high resolution, 720 so that when I change the heigth you will be able to notice that it is set to 288. before I had a setting of 388x220 or something like that, when I would play the file it would take up the whole screen, I now know that all I was doing was zooming in on the actual original file, it looked the same, just a different resolution, It dident have the black bars that I wanted, because having them is important, they are what compresses your video window making the video look good, high quality minus the video window size, I can deal with it. so hopefully setting the resolution to 720x 288 in my avisynth load file will give me the results I want.

[nate klefsas]

someone should pin this or something cause I'm sure their are alotta people that are just like me and have had this problem, I'm not one of them anymore. after experimenting, I found that it is best to leave the width resolution alone, around 720 looked good for me, then all you have to do is estimate a good heigth, as long as the number is a prime number or what ever its called, you can make that number with with 2,4,6,8, what ever, I just put 288 as my heigth. by setting my resolution to 720x288 I got the desired results I have always wanted but could never get. I'm gonna experiment to see if I can streach it 300 or so, all you have to do is, when you open avisynth in gknot, select edit, remove all of the # from infront of the plugins that it is infront of, especially resize on, then go down to the resolution line (288,320) something like that and just putin your specified resolution 720, 288. then just hit save and encode and your setting sould transfer to virtual dub mod, you should run a test before you save and encode. worked for me, it's all I ever wanted to know, no more crappy picture anymore, yes

[jggimi]

I took the liberty of merging your last post into this thread, rather than keeping it separate, since it seems to make better sense here.

I'm glad you found something that works for you.

Many users of Gknot do iterative compressibility testing. This lets us select an optimum resolution for a fixed bitrate. And we're certainly not selecting prime numbers; we're selecting resolutions that are valid for the colorspace, codec, and video adapter. These divisible-by factors are called modulo, and the defaults for Gknot are 32/16.

[manono]

I'm sure their are alotta people that are just like me and have had this problem

I don't think so. Most people don't just resize to any old resolution they pick out of thin air, without regard to AR or compressibility. So, before, you were resizing to 320x176, whether or not it was a 1.85:1 movie? And now you've decided that 720x288 is good? It's 2.5:1. Even 2.35:1 movies shouldn't (ordinarily) be resized that way, and 1:85:1 movies will look seriously squashed.
I found that it is best to leave the width resolution alone, around 720 looked good for me, then all you have to do is estimate a good heigth, as long as the number is a prime number or what ever its called, you can make that number with with 2,4,6,8, what ever, I just put 288 as my heigth. by setting my resolution to 720x288 I got the desired results I have always wanted but could never get. I'm gonna experiment to see if I can streach it 300 or so, all you have to do is, when you open avisynth in gknot, select edit, remove all of the # from infront of the plugins that it is infront of, especially resize on, then go down to the resolution line (288,320) something like that and just putin your specified resolution 720, 288.
Sheer and utter nonsense.

[nate klefsas]

I know its nonsense, Its just that if I wanat the movie to look somewhat ordinary in media player I have to set the resolution width much higher then the heigth. sure when I played the 320x176 in zoom player and set the resolution to custom, which would set the movie resolution to what ever the file says it is it looks right. but whaen i just open it in media player and do nothing the movie is blownup, the quality is horrifying because media player trys to set the movie to 16.9 aspect ratio which it already is so it doubles the ratio making the movie look horrifyingly terrible. so I try 720x288, movies that I have downloaded of the net look fine to me and have this resolution, and ontop of that they open up in media player, without me having to do anything, and the black bars are the correct size, they squish the viewing window, thats what I want. I want the movie to look clear, not boxy and fuzzy, if theirs a way to have a resolution of 320x176 and have it open in mediaplayer so the black bars are the correct size then let me know please.