DTS 6.1 Now in our grasp!!!

[specise_8472]

DSP Guru

I have read the specs again and have found a way to make DTS ES files.

The specs say that there is a Sum/difference flag for the R/L surround channels. And if it is set it means that the Original Source Material is encoded as ES.

if set means Ls=Ls+Rs, Rs=Ls-Rs.

How do you go about this mixing - or is it Phase shift as in Dolby.

If this works then just have to encode in Surcode then scan and alter the bits in the resultant DTS file frame headers.

After researching this I have found one DTS disk in the collection - DIE ANOTHER DAY that has 6 channel DTS sound and does not use the DTS extended extension to more than 5.1 channels. Must use Matrixed sound.

I think DTS have been telling Porkys again, as the flags in their specs are not set!. But am looking into it. Would be nice to sum/difference rear channels, and go from there.

SO need to test sum/difference and Matrixed channels. I assume Matrixed would be similar to Dolby Prologic?

[specise_8472]

For those following the stereo to 5.1 thread, I said I had an idea to create 6.1 DTS.

Cracked it!!!

For the programmers out there. DSPGURU can now add to besweet if wanted.

It requires that your DTS decoder is 6.1 capable. According to DTS all 6.1 decoders are capable of NEO6. This is important as forcing decoder into 6.1 mode is only way to make it work.

AND IT WORKS ON AUDIO CD DTS!!

Basically all you do is mix the Center Surround channel into the RS and LS channels at -3db. Thats all there is to it.

If you only have a 5.1 system you will only hear the SC channel as equal in the RS LS channels. If in 6.1 mode only in the SC channel.

Simple isn't it. The reason for this is that on true discrete 6.1 soundtracks there is a discrete SC and the matrixed SC also. In the decode stage if decoder can do discrete, it unmixes from the rear channels so as not to cause interference, and plays the discrete channel. And if decoder does 6.1 but finds no discrete channel it treats the Rear channels as Matrixed 6.1 and decodes accordingly.But if decoder knows nothing about the extensions for the extra channel it just plays rear surrouds as usual with SC heard equal in both LS RS.

Have fun.
BTW I will be adding this feature into my Ambiophonic program as there is a SC channel computed.

[kempfand]

I can confirm that this is working on my amp (Yamaha 630, which can be forced into matrix decode (6.0/6.1) if configured to have a SC speaker).

My regualr system is 5.0, but I convinced a neighbour to give me one of his speakers for some days while he's on travel. In relation to ambisonic / ambiophonic, I was playing around with the Emigrator's Hexagon decoding rig. Results are very convincing compared to the Pentagon-decode (which already are very good) :)

Of course, it can also be applied to the Circle Surround II VST.

I'd indeed highly support the proposal to include this feature (-3db SC mixed into SL and SR) with upcoming BeSweet/GUI versions.

Kind regards,

Andreas

[DSPguru]

you know i don't have the time to research those things these days, so tell me exactly what you want me to do.. ;)

[mcx]

i know its old but i didn't understand how to "fake" those files? can you describe it better?

[Rockaria]

As I understand the EX-EU4 Dolby EX Surround Encoder(mix 3ch rear to 2ch rear), like DP563 Dolby Surround and Pro Logic II Encoder, as a preprocessor to DP569 Dolby Digital Encoder to DD5.1 encode(http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=856250&postcount=98), the software emulation would be similar to DPL II encoding without rears, thus inheriting the centor-distribution problem, if not applying the phase-shift technology.

(LS, 0.7071CS), (RS, 0.7071CS) seems to be the corresponding matrix.
But I guess, to have more accurate seperation quality by the UNKNOWN EX-EU4 spec, the -3dB attenuate mixed CS should have shifted (& one side inverted) phase.

You can fine-tune the rear pre-mix qulity with audacity + PhaseBug VST then encoding to DD5.1 with any proper tools.

[specise_8472]

As I understand the EX-EU4 Dolby EX Surround Encoder(mix 3ch rear to 2ch rear), like DP563 Dolby Surround and Pro Logic II Encoder, as a preprocessor to DP569 Dolby Digital Encoder to DD5.1 encode(http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=856250&postcount=98), the software emulation would be similar to DPL II encoding without rears, thus inheriting the centor-distribution problem, if not applying the phase-shift technology.

(LS, 0.7071CS), (RS, 0.7071CS) seems to be the corresponding matrix.
But I guess, to have more accurate seperation quality by the UNKNOWN EX-EU4 spec, the -3dB attenuate mixed CS should have shifted (& one side inverted) phase.

You can fine-tune the rear pre-mix qulity with audacity + PhaseBug VST then encoding to DD5.1 with any proper tools.

All well and dandy when talking about DD. I think this thread is about DTS.
The above method works perfectly. No phase shifting involved at all. If you read my treat above on why this happens then why bring up DD phase shifting etc? I know that there can be a 14degree phase shift in DTS, BUT it is not needed here.
BTW the matrix you described is perfectly what to do. And there is no problem with seperation at all. Try it for yourself if you have an AMP that allows you to manually switch into DTS ES mode, then report back with your results.

[Rockaria]

I think this thread is about DTS. You are very right. I knew it and forgot it when I replied. my only mistake.
No phase shifting involved at all...etcWell, I have no 6.x~ decoder yet to test to report back to none of my inquiry, sorry.

By the way, if you are well aware of the DPL II encoder, you will certainly be aware of the center seperation issue inherently impossible to perfectly reproduce(the phantom center potion is remained in the center ch).
By this common sense, I'd like to examine your theory(or background references) on the rear center seperation plan of DD EX encoder & decoder if you have any.

[specise_8472]

You are very right. I knew it and forgot it when I replied. my only mistake.
Well, I have no 6.x~ decoder yet to test to report back to none of my inquiry, sorry.

By the way, if you are well aware of the DPL II encoder, you will certainly be aware of the center seperation issue inherently impossible to perfectly reproduce(the phantom center potion is remained in the center ch).
By this common sense, I'd like to examine your theory(or background references) on the rear center seperation plan of DD EX encoder & decoder if you have any.

DTS uses a different approach than DD for seperation of matrixed Rear Surround. I have some whitepapers here somewhere in the filing cabinet. I well dig them up and PM you with details. Plus I have a DTS Patent for NEO6 (reads like NEO6) as well.
Investigate US 7,003,467 for details.

[Rockaria]

DTS uses a different approach than DD for seperation of matrixed Rear Surround. I have some whitepapers here somewhere in the filing cabinet. I well dig them up and PM you with details. Plus I have a DTS Patent for NEO6 (reads like NEO6) as well.
Investigate US 7,003,467 for details.
Well, I found the similarity between the DTS ES matrixed and the DD EX(like between dpl IIx and NEO:6), which made me suppose the same mechanism(maybe only the amount of the phase degree shifted?) behind.

It is great to know you have the NEO6 patent that explains why you could provide the excellent background on that 'DPL II quest'.

TIA for the PM.:thanks:

[raquete]

@ specise_8472
Plus I have a DTS Patent for NEO6 (reads like NEO6) as well.congratulations. :cool:
i'm lucky.
few hours ago i got one receiver(Sony HT-DDW880) 6.1 capable of DD,DPL,DD EX,DPL II,DPL IIx,DTS 96/24,DTS NEO:6,DTS DS,DTS-ES and i apriciate if you can send me whitepapers too and links to read about.
i'm interested in learn and use DTS NEO:6.
a fast explanation inside the manual of the receiver is too vague: (and now worse with my poor translation to english) :
"this technology convert the audio record 2 channels to 6.1 channels reproduction.have to ways(options) to select the source of reproduction or your preference.
CINEMA is for movies and MUSIC for sources stereo like music."
...is really vague!

thanks in advance!

[Rockaria]

@specise, thanks AGAIN for the PM en route.
I know that there can be a 14degree phase shift in DTS, BUT it is not needed here.
However, I think I managed to decode what the 'here' means by reviewing your second post's 'crack'.
It must have been a wonderful news for the matrix decoder providers(DPL(II(x)),NEO:X,,,), if the EX or ES patent/technology cracks the phantom center distribution issue without any phase manipulations(invert, shift), solely by the steering logic.

[edit]
some brief research leaded me to suspect there's less concept of 'phantom center distribution' or 'channel seperation fidelity' in these approach, more or less spatial effect oriented. http://www.soundblaster.com/resources/read.asp?articleid=53912&page=1&cat=4

DTS-ES Discrete 6.1

DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 is the newest recording format. With it, all 6.1 channels (including the Rear channel) are recorded independently using a digital discrete system. The main feature of this format is that because the SL, SR and Rear channels are fully independent, the sound can be designed with total freedom and it is possible to achieve a sense that the acoustic images are moving about freely among the background sounds surrounding the listener from 360 degrees. Though maximum performance is achieved when sound tracks recorded with this system are played using a DTS-ES decoder, when played with a conventional DTS decoder the Rear channel signals are automatically down-mixed to the SL and SR channels, so none of the signal components are lost.

DTS-ES Matrix 6.1

With this format, the additional SB channel signals undergo matrix encoding and are input to the SL and SR channels beforehand. Upon playback they are decoded to the SL, SR and Rear channels. The performance of the encoder used at the time of recording can be fully matched using a high precision digital matrix decoder developed by DTS, thereby achieving surround sound more faithful to the producer's sound design aims than with conventional 5.1 or 6.1-channel systems. In addition, the bit stream format is 100% compatible with conventional DTS signals, so the effect of the Matrix 6.1 format can be achieved even with 5.1-channel signal sources. Of course it is also possible to play DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 encoded sources with a DTS 5.1-channel decoder.

When DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 or Matrix 6.1 encoded sources are decoded with a DTS-ES decoder, the format is automatically detected upon decoding and the optimum playing mode is selected. However, some Matrix 6.1 sources may be detected as having a 5.1-channel format, so the DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 mode must be set manually to play these sources.

DTS Neo:6 Surround*

This mode applies conventional 2-channel signals to the high precision digital matrix decoder used for DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 to achieve 6.1-channel surround playback. High precision input signal detection and matrix processing enable full band reproduction (frequency response of 20 Hz to 20 kHz or greater) for all 6.1 channels, and separation between the different channels is improved to the same level as that of a digital discrete system. DTS Neo:6 surround includes two modes for selecting the optimum decoding of the signal source.

DTS Neo:6 Cinema

This mode is optimum for playing movies. Decoding is performed with emphasis on separation performance to achieve the same atmosphere with 2-channel sources as with 6.1-channel sources. This mode is effective for playing sources recorded in conventional surround formats as well, because the in-phase component is assigned mainly to the center channel (C) and the reversed phase component to the surround (SL, SR and Rear channels).

DTS Neo:6 Music

This mode is suited mainly for playing music. The front channel (FL and FR) signals bypass the decoder and are played directly so there is no loss of sound quality, and the effect of the surround signals output from the center (C) and surround (SL, SR and rear) channels add a natural sense of expansion to the sound field.

'the bit stream format is 100% compatible with conventional DTS signals' mentioned above might imply there's no altered phase in the rear matrixed signal.

[raquete]

cool...i only saw it now: "Last edited by Rockaria : 25th September 2006 at 22:12."...i was waiting specise's answers

thanks Rockaria for the update in your post(next time you edit with good hints/details PLEASE pm me!) ;)

[Rockaria]

Some of my understanding of the 'forum' :
. it's for ANYBODY ANYTIME so (only) ANYTHING personal goes to PM
. it's OPEN for sharing and improving(corrections), so anybody is welcomed to make the CONTENT perfect here.

@raquete, I hope you get the CLUE and conclude the 'phantom center distribution issue' anytime for anybody interested.

[raquete]

all right Rockaria,thanks for your comments,really welcome.:goodpost:


please,ihave one big question that for more than i search and read(3 days),i still don't found reasonables details and comparisons between 5.1&6.1 from 7.1 .
short details:
i'm always encoding 5.1 from cds following Steve's guides together with my own tools and taste to extract channels in differents options, is really hard because sometimes i stay one day long for each music...in the end is a pleasure.
i can separate 10 channels from stereo.i can't call as "perfection" but sounds very interesting.
as i posted,i got one 6.1 system and nero soundtrax can encode 7.1 but i never tested this feature before.
what i really want to know after this long list of detail is how enmcoded 7.1 will sound in 5.1 and 6.1 system(i have both),i mean,left will be left,right will be right but and the remainders?
what will happen with the separateds 7.1 channels playing in 5.1/6.1 system?
the reason of the question is because i need to know if i have to encode 5.1 for 5.1 system and another encode in 7.1(with more 2 channels) for 7.1 system....seems redundant but i really want to hear "compleate separated channels" like my sources and not mono surrounds and center with L+R or any decoder feature....i will that you understand what i mean.

thanks in advance for any clarification,links to read...all details are apriciated!

[Elektra999]

Hi, Raquete.
Allow to comment on him, that I record some music in a CD-DTS 6.1, with VI.I and the Encoder DTS Pro Series, and if it is possible to listen in a System or Home Cinema that has 5.1, with 7.1 I believe that it is possible to listen perfectly equally in systems to 5.1.

That Encoder uses to do 7.1???

[raquete]

That Encoder uses to do 7.1???nero soundtrax can encode 7.1 projects with discrete channels(this is what i like) and with "auto" lfe.

with VI.I and the Encoder DTS Pro Series... as still can't found to download.do you know the link or Steve send for you by mail?

...
thanks for answer but i want deep answer if possible because my source have really separateds channels and i don't like to use the decoders "tricks".
how will be the separation from encoded 7.1 in 5.1 decoder?
the 7.1 encoded cd will sound really separated in 5.1 decoder(without mess the center and surrounds) or better is do one cd with 5.1 for 5.1 decoder and another cd with 7.1 for 7.1 decoder?

thanks so much!

[Rockaria]

@raquete, I am at a loss if you say 'good post' when I reminded us just some basic stuffs.

What I can say at the moment about the 'downmix play' is it's normally rather a simple/cheap process than the upmix or encoding.
Based on the documents, the decoder will simple-downmix the discrete center(s) to the rear left & right proportionally creating a phantom rear center.
But as for your sources(2.0 to 7.1?), I guess any phase shifts(possibly except the inverted one), if any, imbeded by the upmix process will remain untouched. It might be a major difference to the original discrete 6.1~7.1 sources, a warning on any kind of downmix encoding(DPL II(x), NEO:6,,).
And as for the matrixed sources, it will regard it as normal 5.1

I can comment to him... No problem in translating it thru some of his/her posts : him == it or simply ignored.

Hope you get some genuine helps from EX/ES experienced users, I have none yet for some long while.

[raquete]

@raquete, I am at a loss if you say 'good post' when I reminded us just some basic stuffs....ok,later i edit and change to "bad post"....lol.
as you can see, i like of complicated things and this is why i like you Rockaria....you're complicated too! :D
(don't be nervous,i really like you and i'm kiddin)
off topic: Rockaria,good or bad is a question of taste and for my taste was one good post.

..I guess any phase shifts(possibly except the inverted one), if any, imbeded by the upmix process will remain untouched.now you can feel "why" i asked for you! phase shifts is your "beach". :)

It might be a major difference to the original discrete 6.1~7.1 sources, a warning on any kind of downmix encoding(DPL II(x), NEO:6,,).
And as for the matrixed sources, it will regard it as normal 5.1 cool.in this last post you really deserve this emoticon --> :goodpost: or not?...maybe is better a simple thanks,then...thank you :helpful: (lol)

i'm reading one interesting thread with cool explantions from sdurani(cool person),you will like it (i really bet).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676333
your comments and complements are (always) welcome.

best regards Rockaria and thanks again.

[Rockaria]

Your phaseshiftless upmix introduction was a good effort to remind the variety of approaches, pros/cons, tradeoffs, etc.
Adding some introduction and eveluation(other than on people) in your own words might have been a better choice.

BTW, I think you know the phantom center...
[edit]:cool: ;) :sly:
Hey! I am not a person as pursuing ' it should be right at any cost because I said or did it'. :emoticon:emoticon:emoticon:!;)

[Elektra999]

I'm sorry, Rockaria.
My English is very bad jajajaja.

[raquete]

off topic
@ Rockaria
emoticon:emoticon:emoticoni told you before in another thread: letters and words cant' show feelings and help my porr english...(edit: see? is poor english)
i'm against be rude and use it when the letters can't express what i really want then emoticons help too much...(as you posted about the pm,now i'm doing the same explaining emoticons ....equal rights,right? (lol) )
for example: (-->Rockaria is "example" don't bore yourself...(lol)

1- what you mean posting "emoticon:emoticon:emoticon"?:sly: :angry:

2- what you mean posting "emoticon:emoticon:emoticon"? :p

see? the "feeling" in example 1 is completely different from example 2 using the same phrase..

is clear now dear friend?
;)

more emoticons for you..feel my "feelings": :rolleyes: :cool: :D

best regards!

edit:
typos ...(and one more lol)

[Rockaria]

letters and words cant' show feelings and help my porr english...
Are you sure about that? Your english is not bad at all. Why get stressed by your innocent encoder so much when we have good enough decoders? And you are at least bilingual, no question clever==smart enough. Just some 'lol+high+low+abstract'ed excessive informations are overloading some poor classic decoders.

I hope we can now just focus on the main(objective) issues for Elektra.:) /Thanks.

[raquete]

I hope we can now just focus on the main(objective) issues for Elektra.
all right.

@ Elektra
start one new thread about 5.1 and 7.1 encoders.
i can help a little but i'm sure that more users will be there.

regards!

[Rockaria]

You are welcome!:)
I used the id meaning 'anybody interested in the issue with average tech-forum-user-(relation)ship', sorry Elektra if I misleaded anyhow.;)

[Rockaria]

Based on a more detailed document(http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/production_a_z/production_a_to_z/thxex.htm),

Dolby Digital Surround EX

Dolby Digital Surround EX was co-developed by Lucasfilm THX and Dolby Laboratories. Gary Rydstrom, Lucasfilm's award-winning sound designer and Director of Creative Operations at Skywalker Sound, drove the creation of this format to coincide with the mixing and theatrical release of Phantom Menace. Simply put, Dolby Digital Surround EX is a"6.1" channel format that adds a "rear" surround channel to the existing 5.1 channel Dolby Digital Surround format, allowing sound designers and mixers to "encircle the audience with 360 degree pans and allows more realistic fly-over and ambient sound effects." What this means in a theater setting is that the speakers along the side walls on the left and right sides will, respectively, be left surround and right surround, while the speakers along the back wall of the theater will comprise the rear surround channel. The addition of this rear surround channel obviously increases the filmmakers' ability to put sounds "behind" you as well as increasing their ability to pan sounds around you in a discrete, realistic manner.

The technology behind this is essentially the same matrix encoding-decoding technology used by Dolby Pro Logic to derive the front center channel from the front left and right channels. When the soundtrack is mixed it is a discrete 6.1 channel mix. The rear surround channel is then matrix encoded into the left surround and right surround channels of the 5.1 channel mix, resulting in a 5.1 channel printmaster that is 100% backward compatible with existing 5.1 channel decoders. But when played back through EX compatible equipment this rear channel is "dematrixed" out of the left and right surround channels and steered into the rear channel. The additional equipment required to employ Dolby Digital Surround EX theatrically is a Dolby SA 10 surround decoder which uses a Dolby Pro Logic decoder chip operating in the analog domain.

DTS also has a theatrical version of this technology called DTS ES which performs its rear channel matrix decoding with technology that is similar to the Dolby approach with the exception that it operates entirely in the digital domain with 24bit precision. DS ES is compatible with any existing EX encoded 5.1 printmaster as the rear surround channel information is matrixed into the surround channels prior to being encoded in either format.

In addition to Phantom Menace, the following films have been released theatrically in Dolby Digital Surround EX: Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, and the Haunting. Upcoming releases scheduled include Toy Story 2, The Fight Club, and The End of Days.

it is implying it also is doing the (some amount of) phase shifts, might be a good experiment for some EX/ES users...

[Elektra999]

Hi, Rockaria, Raquete....

SOFTWARE, SURROUND ENCODER DTS PRO SERIES


Matrix ES into standard surround channels - (read-only flag) specifies mixing
of Center Surround into Left and Right Surround.

Phase shift ES channels — Works only with ES source files, where it allows
for phase shifting of Left and Right Surround by –45¡ prior to addition of
Center Surround channel.
DTS strongly recommends Phase shift be set ON during 6.1 ES
encoding for film. For music, you may wish to experiment with both settings. Page 13 (Guia DTS Pro series)

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/9784/dtsproseries06hr9.jpg

Thank you for everything, they are very nice you....


Guie DTS Pro Series Surrond Encoder

http://rapidshare.de/files/35111861/dts_pro_series.rar.html

Regards :)
Elektra999

[Rockaria]

SOFTWARE, SURROUND ENCODER DTS PRO SERIES

Matrix ES into standard surround channels - (read-only flag) specifies mixing
of Center Surround into Left and Right Surround.

Phase shift ES channels — Works only with ES source files, where it allows
for phase shifting of Left and Right Surround by –45¡ prior to addition of
Center Surround channel.
DTS strongly recommends Phase shift be set ON during 6.1 ES
encoding for film. For music, you may wish to experiment with both settings. Page 13 (Guia DTS Pro series)

Thanks for the great post.:goodpost: It reads somewhat unclear to me though. So I applied a similar approach, thanks to Elektra.
I was able to get a s/w manual of SoundCode For DTS that seems to have made it a lot clearer.

ES Phase Shift
When this button is ON, the encoder will apply a 90 degree phase shift to the Ls and Rs channels. In the case of 5.1 ES encoding, this allows a Cs channel to be matrix encoded into the Ls and Rs channels. In the case of 6.1 channel encoding, this provides for better downmixing performance by reducing phase cancellation/summation.
DTS 5.1ES here is what we are focusing on.
Analysis of these research will follow when ready (probably following some of your comments...).
Meanwhile you can try(for the manual) http://www.neyrinck.com/Pages/download.php. Plugins will require Pro Tools 1.0.1(?) to run.

[Elektra999]

With a bit of mas time, I will present a commentary on the channel discrete (CS)

Thank you very much, Rockaria :)

[Elektra999]

Hi,
RocKaria

I have installed the SoundCode For DTS that you facilitated to me. I have tried to install the Pro tools 7 but I cannot so that they appear errors in the installation (hardware to driver).
I am new with the Pro tools, never I have used it.

The channel CS, ES Matrix, can be talked in Steinberg Nuendo, mixing channels SL and SR. obtains the channel ES Matrix (it seems to me).

Channel CS, ES discrete, he is totally independent, and until I have not been able now to make a channel CS discrete, with ProTools I can do it, but I have errors in the installation, if you can help me...

DTS PRO SERIES only is to encoder DTS that allows to do 6,1, the 7 channels is necessary to work them to part with another software...

I am enchanted to collaborate with you, in which it is necessary... :)

Elektra999

[Rockaria]

Hi Elektra,

I installed the plugins(DTS, DD) only for the user manuals. You are going steps further than me atm.
'Cause I am not ready at all with 6.1~ setup(h/w, s/w) for a long while, I might be satisfied by finishing the research.

I need some conclusions of the phase shifts in these various DTS/DD coding modes and we have good resources.
And you are going to provide me some practical ments, aren't you?

I will be testing the Pro Tools this week or weekend...

[Rockaria]

You might need a corresponding H/W. I doubt there are any s/w only versions.

[Elektra999]

Hi, Rockaria. I'm sorry to take as much in responding, are that I have much work and I almost do not have time to ignite the PC. Pro Tools 7,2, when I install it seems to me a message that requests hardware to driver. I have been able it to install but, now it appears to me east message.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6084/dibujo02sz0.jpg

Know you who type of hardware to driver I must install?

Thanks
Elektra999

[Rockaria]

Hi Elektra, as you see I am busy atm, a funny thing is happening.
As a brief comment on the ProTools issue, I guess you'll have to buy one or find other tools.

/me on a long travel, anybody/somebody pls no deadhorse again(3).

[Elektra999]

Hi, Rockaria.

I feel much not to be able to collaborate, I take to all the week installing Pro Tools, but I see that a license makes lack so that it works...

I have studied on channel CS, having to create a channel CS ES Discrete, but I have not obtained anything, and the Pro Tools if that creates channel CS ES Discrete, but does not work to me, I am disappointed :(

Thanks Rockaria
Elektra999:)

[guada 2]

Hello Elektra999,

Have you tried Nuendo 3.2.0.118 ?

[Elektra999]

Hi,
Rockaria.

I have requested one demo of this new plug-in SRS Circle Surround TDM Pro 2,0 http://www.srslabs.com/CSTDMPro2.0.asp Channel CS Discrete, I wait for demo already je je.

[Elektra999]

Demo for Protools is one:cool: :cool:

[Rockaria]

Hi Elektra,

Thanks for introducing a CS (discrete) downmix solution. I will look into it (any time on these busy days for me).
[edit]
I read it also requires the protools to run.

[Elektra999]

There is no way, of which Pro Tools 7 works in Windows XP SP2, I leave it for impossibly, since I am a user of only one PC.

Regards
Elektra999 (Frank)

[Elektra999]

¡¡¡If it is possible to codify the channel ES DISCRETE "CS" with DTS PRO SERIES!!!.

I have been still the guide of Steve Wavelab Lab, have created the 5.1 with the
Suite V.I, and have guarded in pretty 16/44100 CD - audio. I have returned to try
but with the plug-in SL SR. (Suite V.I), and have guarded it in stereo.

In the DTS PRO SERIES, 6.1 ES DISCRETE, I have added the stereo (SL SR. V.I) in the channel CS, and to the right I have selected 2, DTS PRO SERIES, it seems to me that it(he,she) mixes these 2, and other channels also I add them.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3742/dtso1fa3.jpg

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/8061/dtso2go5.jpg

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/4475/dtso3ao3.jpg

I am very very satisfied:D :D :D :thanks:

[raquete]

hi Frank (Elektra)

from Suite V.I:
L & R have center,
Center sum L & R,
Surrounds have L & R more some kind of OOps(seems mono,i can't explain better,sorry)

now think or do one sample like one car turning around the room!

then,how can the channels be discretes? :confused:
(nothing against,it's just one question)

kind regards!

[Elektra999]

I'm sorry.
I Have added evil, the files mono WAV in the DTS PRO SERIES.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/918/dts06mq9.jpg

The channel CS (central back) ES DISCRETE, I believe that it is capable of it being mixed by the DTS PRO SERIES, but to mix it, before it is necessary to try it with WaveLab or Sony Forge and with the plug-in SL SR. (Suite V.I).
Once tried the channels SL SR., guards in stereo and is added to, DTS PRO SERIES. I have just listened to the audio in 6.1 and it seems that it sounds likely je je.

What I do not understand, is that, to the right of the channel CS, it puts 1 and 2 I believe that it is necessary to select 2?

You are a very nice Raquete:)

Regards
Elektra999 (Frank)

[aldo676]

could someone tell me where to find ENCODER DTS PRO SERIES or other programs that can make DTS 96/24 file ?
I've looking for it everywhere...no demo version...no crk version...nowhere to buy it...IS it alive ???

[raquete]

I've looking for it everywhere...no demo version..nowhere to buy it.. are you sure?...in everywhere?
here we have to read the thread first:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=886967&postcount=37
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=881952&postcount=28

no crk versionright!..no crack version!

IS it alive ???no,it's a "thing",one software and not a "bean" :D

[aldo676]

dear friend, many many thx; but as you know nothing is really sure in our life.
your srs product is compatible only whit PRO-TOOLS ? and if yes PRO-TOOLS need an harware to live.
I'm just looking for an encoder that can create a DTS 96/24 file to create audio and video dvd in Windows OS.

This because my hobby is to create an audio-dvd from my own cd so:
I use adobe audition to create 6 mono files .waw, but I don't like MLP AC3 or LPCM 192.
I like only DTS 96/24 and just for this I' was looking for DTS PRO SERIES ENCODER (Actually SAS or MAS)

sorry about my english, I'm italian; but I hope you can understand... :-))

[raquete]

sorry about my english, I'm italian; but I hope you can understand... :-))don't worry,you was very clear and sorry,i was kiddin! ;)

you are right : your srs product is compatible only whit PRO-TOOLS ?yes,and i don't use it then,i don't know it.

I'm just looking for an encoder that can create a DTS 96/24 file to create audio and video dvd in Windows OS.
This because my hobby is to create an audio-dvd from my own cd so...I like only DTS 96/24 and just for this I' was looking for DTS PRO SERIES ENCODER good taste,i will search progs for us!

regards aldo676 ;)

if anyone could post links,hints...welcome!

[Elektra999]

aldo676,
Hi and all
I am working a guide (stereo to Surround 6.1 with WaveLab v5) With the channel CS Matrix.

It was mistaken for the DTS PRO SERIES, there can not work the alone one, the channel CS. I was wrong.

It does not exist demo of DTS PRO SERIES, is of payment. The SRS really(exactly), it is for Pro Tools.
http://www.dts.com/pro-audio/psev1.php

Raquete,
That looked like to him the sound 6.1 that I him sent?

Regards :)

[Elektra999]

Where it is Rockaria? I am looking for it…

[raquete]

Raquete,
That looked like to him the sound 6.1 that I him sent?the file is right here dear friend,i'm only busy and want to hear in good free time to enjoy! ;)

[Rockaria]

Thank you Elektra for several practical encoding test reports, unfortunately I am not equipped with the stuffs to evaluate though.
I decided to be RO-mode for a while and going to be OFF-mode very long into a wildlife where a fm/sw radio & Axim x50v will be my only electric energy consuming music device, probably mostly relying on the natural sounds, if the solar charger does not provide enough current. The crank radio seems not providing enough current to charge/power the PDA.

As nobody is willing to clearly conclude the delicate phase shifts in these EX/ES mode, I atm will just add some reasoning/guess based on the facts gathered.
. as far as the phase shifts is engaged(45/90 or just enough) in the rears(Ls, Rs) for the Cs matrix mix, the three channels will be reproduced with more than 80~95% accuracy.
. in order to be compatible with existing DPL II(x) or neo:6 downmix, the phase shifts imbeded in the rear mix must not conflict with the exlisting matrix mix/seperation algorithms(and they are smart enough), when processing like rear-seperation->rear center seperation, with different degree of channel phase manipulations.

Hope this is my final guess work...

[7saigon5]

Hey!
This link was death!Please upload again.I needed this program.Thanks a lot!

[raquete]

maybe some are not working but what link you need?

[ron spencer]

the link is post 27 of list thread....page 2

[raquete]

now i got.
this link is outdated, Elektra999 upload the file in free account(2006) and after long time without download.....it's gone.
maybe after news posts here in this thread he can go back and reuplod.
go to the homepage of the program and check if have any shareware...
:)

[ACrowley]

what are you talking about ? Do you want the Encoder Software ? Its not freeware....~1000$ (in 2004):)

[7saigon5]

I'm sorry.
I Have added evil, the files mono WAV in the DTS PRO SERIES.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/918/dts06mq9.jpg

The channel CS (central back) ES DISCRETE, I believe that it is capable of it being mixed by the DTS PRO SERIES, but to mix it, before it is necessary to try it with WaveLab or Sony Forge and with the plug-in SL SR. (Suite V.I).
Once tried the channels SL SR., guards in stereo and is added to, DTS PRO SERIES. I have just listened to the audio in 6.1 and it seems that it sounds likely je je.

What I do not understand, is that, to the right of the channel CS, it puts 1 and 2 I believe that it is necessary to select 2?

You are a very nice Raquete:)

Regards
Elektra999 (Frank)

Anybody can write a small tutorial how to install this software in detail and how to apply the crack please!Thanx...!

[ACrowley]

Anybody can write a small tutorial how to install this software in detail and how to apply the crack please!Thanx...!


Youre joking ??!! Heres NO talk about illegal Warez !!

When you dont know how to use your downloaded Software...your problem;)

[raquete]

Youre joking ??!! Heres NO talk about illegal Warez !!

When you dont know how to use your downloaded Software...your problem;)
lol...ACrowley,
you're right. ;)
write one single tutorial to use the program is not so hard but one tutor to how to apply the "crack" is impossible.
:scared:

7saigon5...:readrule:

[Elektra999]

Anybody can write a small tutorial how to install this software in detail and how to apply the crack please!Thanx...!

I do not use any crack.

[Elektra999]

Upmix, of stereo for Surround 5.1/6.1, always, always is filter sounds (vocal, effects, etc...) I do not believe that it is an authentic SC.
To do discreet channels, I believe that it would have to be the recording in 6.1, and not of stereo to 5.1/6.1. V.I.I is not the channel discrete SC, is Matrix.

For create channel SC Matrix, with MS Tools (in plug-ins or Sony Sound Forge 9). Audio track in stereo (channels sL sR Matrix).

[banker_rishad]

how to enable es matrix or dtsneo