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Leon.
12th November 2003, 16:40
I've tried to create a backup of LAST_CRUSADE_ITALY (Indiana Jones III) for quite some time now. But all the time the last PGC in the same VOB as the mainvideo will make it impossible to mux the file! I tried changing in the SCP to a Still Item and using a dummy file for the video and alot of other stuff but nothing works.

I don't have the all the errors left from Scenarist as I forgot to save the file and restarted my computer :( but I am gonna try again sometime soon I think and will most likely get the errors again, hehe.

Anyways my question is if anyone backed up this title and got the same errors, if so did you manage to work around it and how?

Xitrum
13th November 2003, 23:20
I did have similar problems on all 3 movies of the Indiana Jones Series and could not get them to reauthored in Scenarist.

I ended up used DVDShrink instead, but I'm still interested in a solution for future references.

foxmid
14th November 2003, 01:48
Interesting - I had a similar problem with the first two Indy Jones movies. I finally just unchecked that PGC (the one with the dummy file) in Reauthorist, and generated a new Scenarist script.

This worked, but it's a bit screwey, ie it still plays, but sometimes after you select play movie, you've got to hit play on the remote, cause it's trying to go to that PGC.

Now that I'm a little bit better versed in Scenarist, I'm thinking you could just do what I did, uncheck it in Reauthorist, and then just drag over a dummy clip, and add a PGC to that title, and author, because then you'd have the structure that it's looking for.

Has anyone else noticed Scenarist choking on small filler video using the big 3 method? It's hit and miss for me, but lately it seems like I'm having trouble with both import and compiling scenarist projects when the video has a dummy (not generated by DIF4U, but demuxed from the DVD) PGC.

Ripe73
14th November 2003, 07:34
I also had a problem with Indiana Jones but i demuxed
the short pgc by Vobid and reauthored it manually and it
work fine=)...

Demux everything with doitfast4u by pgc and use RA to author it.Import everything with the RA-script and ignore the error in the short pgc clip with two chapters.Then demux the movie again by vobid to get the two vobid in the short pgc clip.Drag and drop the two vobid *.M2V into the scenarist "data editor" then go to the "Track Editor" and drop the two vobid *.M2V ,there i choose "slideshow" and change it to 3 sec.(default 10 sec).Then go to the "scenario editor",scroll to the pgc you want to fix(pgc3 or pgc 4 i think)click on the program and then "delete" drag and drop the first vobid *.M2V to the right pgc and then the next vobid *.M2V to the pgc..then compile =)

influenza
14th November 2003, 14:11
Yes Ripe's solution is a very good one. Had this once myself. I thinks scenarist complains about the num,ber of frames or so.

Using Ra and only doing this one PGC by vobid is a nice solution.

If this PGC is only a blank(?) you can also replace it by just a blank bmp of the right resolution.

Leon.
14th November 2003, 15:41
@Ripe73
Spanx ;) you very much!!!

fusion007
26th November 2003, 17:11
edited

Brandon
27th November 2003, 02:29
Originally posted by foxmid
Interesting - I had a similar problem with the first two Indy Jones movies. I finally just unchecked that PGC (the one with the dummy file) in Reauthorist, and generated a new Scenarist script.

This worked, but it's a bit screwey...


I ended up doing the same thing to get Raiders to compile. It IS a little screwy.

Now, I've got another problem. Since I ignored the warnings about the video file being the wrong length, the chapter points are wrong in Scenarist. (they're referencing a point in the movie a couple of frames too early) This is causing some glitches when jumping to chapters (video/audio lockups, etc.)

Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how I can fix this?

whaqatac
27th November 2003, 09:09
What Ripe73 says in his post is correct.

I have done all three films in the last couple of days using this method and they work perfectly.

The main point is to ensure that you enter 'slideshow' and not 'still menu' when you add the two vobid*.mpv's (id's 4 and 5). That is the reason that you would have to press play again as the video has stopped on the still menu waiting for a command, whereas it will just play straight through a slide show.

Just follow exactly what Ripe73 says and you will have no problems.

influenza
27th November 2003, 11:47
I also use slide show, with still you can have these pause problems. Mostly it's a restricted angle cell problem, which can be solved by manually editing the cell in the ifo.

I would prefer to use slideshow though, be sure to set the duration of the slideshow according to the length in the ifo. Scenarist makes slideshows 10 secs by default.

fusion007
27th November 2003, 16:43
Warning This Video [ D:\ark\VTS02\VTS__02_P03-NO-CCE.16~9_1.M2V ] has different duration.
Error The scene ( VTS_02_PGC_03, VTS02_vobid07_cellid01 ) timecode ( 00:00:00;24 ) is bigger than video duration.
Warning D:\ark\VTS02\VTS__02_P03-NO-CCE.16~9_1.M2V
Warning : Number of SequenceEndCode is 2.
looking at this log in scenarist do i have do anything else other than manually importing VTS02_vobid07 using the above method?
thanks for your patience.also when ive added the m2v file to the data and track area i selected slide show(how do you change the duration?) then i go to scenario editor and find the pgc click program i cant delete it or do i just right click and press clear.but then i dont know which is the correct pgc to drag it to! f@#%k me im confused!

fusion007
27th November 2003, 18:38
id just like to say thanks to everyone for the help i managed to get raiders to back-up using the above method.although i didnt chnge the default slide show time,it still worked!

vmesquita
4th December 2003, 22:52
Could someone please explain in more detail what Ripe73 suggested? I am trying to follow the tips but I am completelly lost... I don't know how to add more stuff to track editor without creating a new Titleset, I don't know if I should create a new PGC or just a new cell in the scenario editor... I tried reading doom9 guide describing the manual way (without reautorist) but still no clue. :(

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jel
5th December 2003, 03:53
@ vmesquita
okay....not really sure of how much explanation you need, so if i leave anything out, let me know...

Demux everything with doitfast4u by pgc and use RA to author it.Import everything with the RA-script and ignore the error in the short pgc clip with two chapters
should be self-explanatory, if not follow doom9s' guide.

Then demux the movie again by vobid to get the two vobid in the short pgc clip.
so, go back to DIF4U select the VTS that contains the main movie and 'tick' the Demux by VobID 'button'. Just as a precaution i would create a new folder to demux this to, so you can find what you need easily.

Drag and drop the two vobid *.M2V into the scenarist "data editor" then go to the "Track Editor" and drop the two vobid *.M2V ,there i choose "slideshow" and change it to 3 sec.(default 10 sec).
okay. so open up the Scenarist project that ReAuthorist created for you and open the "data editor" tab and 'drag and drop' the two vobid *.M2V you need into the data editor window - to find out which 2 you need open the appropriate IFO in IfoEdit, find the pgc that scenarist complained about and write down the 2 vobid numbers, then go into the folder you demuxed the movie by VobID into and select those two vobid *.M2Vs and 'drag and drop' them into the data editor window.
then open the "track editor" and drag the *.M2V vobids from the 'data' tab (lower right hand side - they should be the last two tracks at the bottom of the list) into the track editor window. you will be prompted by Scenarist as to wether you want to create a 'still frame' or a 'slide show'. select 'slide show' and change the time to 3 seconds.

Then go to the "scenario editor",scroll to the pgc you want to fix(pgc3 or pgc 4 i think)click on the program and then "delete" drag and drop the first vobid *.M2V to the right pgc and then the next vobid *.M2V to the pgc..then compile =)
so find the pgc you need to fix and as Ripe73 says select the "program" for that pgc (it will be labelled as such) and 'delete' - click yes to the standard scenarist response.
then, from the 'track' tab (located in the bottom right hand side) drag and drop the FIRST vobid *.M2V onto the 'pgc' square, then drag and drop the SECOND vobid *.M2V onto the 'pgc' square.

then compile your project as usual, IfoUpdate the Re-authored ifos, and voila, all should be well.

hope that helped
j

vmesquita
6th December 2003, 10:40
Thanks Jel!
Thanks to your explanations I managed to mux the thing and just burned, seems to be working perfectly in my stand-alone! :) :)


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jel
7th December 2003, 23:10
no worries,
great to see you got it working. congratulations :D
j

Xitrum
8th December 2003, 01:54
Did anybody had a problem when trying to demux the short PGC by vobid?
When I used DoItFast4U! to demux a pgc by vobid, eventhough I only ticked one PGC (the short PGC with 2 small vobids), DIF4U still demux all the vobids in that VTS title set even the vobids for the PGCs that are not ticked.
(It's not really a problem, but it's take a long time to demux two small vobids).

jel
8th December 2003, 02:02
sorry, i dont know if there is a workaround for that. i usually deselect all the other pgc's (so they are not demuxed, just copied with dvddecrypter), then grab a good book or do some gardening :D

Xitrum
8th December 2003, 04:19
@Jel
You mean you unchecked all the other VTSes NOT PGCs? because even if you unticked the other PGCs in the same VTSes, the PGC still get demuxed by DIF4U.

Leon.
8th December 2003, 09:59
Originally posted by Xitrum
Did anybody had a problem when trying to demux the short PGC by vobid?
When I used DoItFast4U! to demux a pgc by vobid, eventhough I only ticked one PGC (the short PGC with 2 small vobids), DIF4U still demux all the vobids in that VTS title set even the vobids for the PGCs that are not ticked.
(It's not really a problem, but it's take a long time to demux two small vobids).

When you demux by VOBID you see a little info in the bottom of the program that says:

Note: Demuxing by VOBID will always demux ALL PGCS in the VTS :)

trigger638
9th December 2003, 08:09
I have a question regarding the show method in scenarist for very small vob id's. I tend to like to punish myself and demux by vobid and recreate things in scenarist. I run across a ton of these small vob id's as are mentioned in this thread. I have been following the old way of doing things and selecting still frame. This is breaking things for me now, however.

My question is regaurding the slide show duration. Influenza stated to check the ifo for the length reported, makes sense. Except that most of the ones that I run across are less than 1 second long, in fact 15 frames seems to be very popular. Any suggestions on slide show timing when dealing with a clip smaller than one second?? Would it actually hurt anything to set them all to say 3 seconds?

Thanks.

Xitrum
10th December 2003, 00:16
@Leon
Thanks for that info, I must have missed it.

@trigger638
My question is regaurding the slide show duration. Influenza stated to check the ifo for the length reported, makes sense. Except that most of the ones that I run across are less than 1 second long, in fact 15 frames seems to be very popular. Any suggestions on slide show timing when dealing with a clip smaller than one second?? Would it actually hurt anything to set them all to say 3 seconds?
What I found with Scenarist, is that you can't not set the video duration for still show, but you can for slide show.
Also the Scenarist's Help screen defined still show and slide show as "A slide show track consists of a series of still images, each of which have their own display duration. Slide shows can have audio and subpicture streams. A still show track consists of a series of still images, each of which remains on-screen until the viewer presses a key on the remote control. Still shows cannot have audio or subpicture streams."
So according to that definition, your reauthored movie might stop when it get to that PGC that you reauthored with a still show instead of a slide show.
It doesn't hurt anything to set them all to 3 seconds, except that the still image will be display on your TV a bit longer than intended.

m000558
20th January 2004, 01:46
Just a quick question about this process...

When importing the clip into Track Editor I can select Slide Show but I cannot see where I can change the duration of the clip.

Can someone point this out for me?

Thanks!

jel
20th January 2004, 01:52
you need to double click on the track, to select it. then highlight the scene and in the property browser (bottom/middle window) it will show scene duration.
highlight the duration and alter it to suit.