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kimosabi_5
5th November 2003, 16:54
Hi Guys
I have at last managed to rip a dvd and come up with the cue files. I have burned cue file cd1 and it works perfectly but when i try to burn cue file cd2 nero says the disc is to small.The first disc was 504 bytes disc 2 is 573 bytes.I am using 700MB/800MIN cdrs.am I missing something in my ripping. I have followed the instructions to the letter although I am new to this ripping business I have been trying for weeks to get as far as this,and I don't know if i have given you enough info to help me I am a 72 year old dodderer who's grandkids are wrecking my dvds regards kimo

oddyseus
5th November 2003, 17:28
I am really glad when I see senior citizens getting involved with this kind of technology.

Cue files r just control files for a bin image that should be burned. ie u have an image.cue and an image.bin. U r using the image.cue to burn the image.bin file, that should be close to 700mb in length.

Lets assume that u have already done so and your cd1 is playing perfectly. This means that u should be able to watch its contents in your standalone? Isn't it?

How big is your image2.bin?

kimosabi_5
5th November 2003, 19:34
Hi Oddyseus
thanks for replying yes I can play my first burn cue cd1 on my stand alone dvd player when I click on the first cue file cd1 the size is 504 bytes but on the cue file cd2 its 573 bytes and
when i try to burn it nero says the disk is to small or words to that effect. kimo

Die*wrek*show
5th November 2003, 20:08
The cue files are just helper files that contain info on how the bin is to be burned, as Oddyseus said. That's why they are so small. They don't contain your important data, their name says it all(cue). How big is your second .bin file?

kimosabi_5
5th November 2003, 21:06
Hi DIE
OK first I can't find any files that say's bin but there are four files that say's
cd_image_file_cd1 avg update file 806MB The next is cd_image_file_cd1.cue 504 bytes
cd_image_file_cd2 avg update 854MB the next cd_image_file_cd2.cue 573bytes
I take it that these are the bin/cue files if that is so why when I burned the cd1 cue file did the cd work perfectly in my dvd stand alone player. So what do I burn, the bin files or the cue files.
sorry for being a pain but I am realy confused by all this I am sure it is simple when you know how and thats where I am getting stuck all the jergon is baffling me regards kimo P.S. avg is my anti virus checker which I forgot to turn off befor ripping

Kedirekin
6th November 2003, 00:40
To use an anology, the CUE file is kind of like a table of contents. The BIN file is the book.

To make the analogy even stronger, rip the table of contents out of a book, then write the name of the book on it. Now the table of contents is separate from the book, but it tells you what book it's for and what is in the book.

When you burn a BIN/QUE with burning software, you point it to the CUE file. The CUE file tells the software the name of the BIN file and instructs the software what to burn where on the CDR (kind of).

I like analogies. Hope that helps.

r6d2
6th November 2003, 01:32
Hi, kimosabi_5. And very welcome indeed. I think this is the first junior member who is already a senior one! :)
Originally posted by kimosabi_5
cd_image_file_cd1 avg update file 806MB The next is cd_image_file_cd1.cue 504 bytes
cd_image_file_cd2 avg update 854MB the next cd_image_file_cd2.cue 573bytes
So what do I burn, the bin files or the cue files.
You tell the burner to use the .cue, but inside that is the name of the corresponding .bin, as Kedirekin explained.

You probably don't see the "bin" extension because some extensions are hidden by the file explorer.

But it's the big ones which you actually burn and hence we have the second one which doesn't fit, since an 80 min CD can hold only about 798-MB.

(Some times the bin files are larger than the actual size they will occupy on disk, so don't panic on that. If the burner software says it fits, then it fits.)

You won't be able to burn that 2nd image on a 80 min CD. You have two choices:

1. Get a 99 min blank CD-R.

2. Reencode with a lower bitrate.

You didn't tell us which tool you're using, but I recommend DVD2SVCD since it will do the task quite easy for you. (If you have used it, and it's giving you trouble, please look at this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63406) post and follow the directions so we can help you out.)

Just for your peace of mind, the antivirus has nothing to do with this, except that AVG declares bin files as its own to Windows, which is a very intrusive thing to do, but harmless to your purposes.

smiller667
6th November 2003, 02:19
A 90 min. CD-R blank will do in your case, sometimes they are easier to find in shops.
Note that Nero will recognize these as 80 min. only, you will have to allow overburning. If you are unsure if your cd writer supports overburning, you may want to have a look at this database: http://www.feurio.com/English/index.shtml (click on "CD Writer database").

jggimi
6th November 2003, 02:33
To tell the Windows Explorer to always show you filetypes, those 3 letters after the "." in a filename, use the Tools...Folder Options command, which pops up an options window. Click the "View" tab (it's one of several), and clear the check box part way down that says, "Hide file extensions for known file types."

kimosabi_5
7th November 2003, 12:27
HI Guys
I would like to thank you all for your help I am now getting the just of it, I will get 90min cdr this seems the best for me at the moment as the first option untill I understand and practice a bit more, on the second option do I have to re rip the dvd again or can I start from any of the files that are already ripped please be patient with me I am really trying to get a grip with this as an old wrinkerly i spend most of my day and often night trying to do things the time flies by lol but thank you all once again
kind regards
kimo

r6d2
7th November 2003, 12:59
Originally posted by kimosabi_5
on the second option do I have to re rip the dvd again or can I start from any of the files that are already ripped
Assuming you're using DVD2SVCD, you can indeed restart from the Video encoding phase.
please be patient with me
Of course, but also please you be patient with us when we insist on you to do some reading :) (see my post above). This is in order we can help you better and faster.

Regards, kimosabi_5

kimosabi_5
7th November 2003, 18:41
Hi again
I feel as if I have broken the rules some where this is to the remarks referred to by r6d2 if I have I sincerly apologize.I have read nearly every thing to help me in doom9 forum but can't find anything, but more like don't understand what I am looking for.

Anyway I am using DVD2SVCD ver1.2.1 build 3 TMPGEnc ver2.5
How do I restart the encodeing and what files do I encode.

and r6d2 with 20 grandkids and 4 ggrandkids I have become the most patient guy in the world. lol
my system is Athlon 2400+ 2.00GHZ 120GB H/D 256ddr ram winXP home if there is any thing else you need to help me please ask
regards
kimo

r6d2
7th November 2003, 19:14
Originally posted by kimosabi_5
but more like don't understand what I am looking for.
We've all been though that. Don't panic. Since you are the most patient guy in the world you'll be a pro in much less time than expected. :)

Anyway I am using DVD2SVCD ver1.2.1 build 3 TMPGEnc ver2.5
How do I restart the encodeing and what files do I encode.
OK, that's a good start!

You have a good system to start with, so let's get to the point.

To restart the encode you must open DVD2SVCD, go to the Misc tab and press the Recover button. Then select the "dvd2svcd project file" which should appear. If it doesn't, look for it. If you have not deleted your temporary files, it will be somewhere.

Then, you can resume from any point available in the combo box to the right. Select it and press the continue button.

But before you do all this, we need to know why you got an oversized cue image file. Please post your "dvd2svcd_log.txt" file and your "DVD2SVCD.ini" file (from the movie folder).

We will be able to tell then which encoder you used, which encoding method, and which media sizes and minutes.

Also, If you get lost about too many options and features, read this guide (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/dvd2svcd.htm).

kimosabi_5
7th November 2003, 22:41
this is the dvd2svcd_log.txt
I could not find anything that said dvdsvcd.ini but on search it came up with( dvdsvcd configuration settings )is this the one you require. I could not send it with this reply because the reply was to long or am I posting these file wrong

WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
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- 04/11/2003 12:07:09
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
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Initializing
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 04/11/2003 12:07:13
- Free on drive D: 95612.25 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
- G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob

Ripping: G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
Ripping: G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
Ripping: G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
Ripping: G:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
Ripping finished. Speed: 5350

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- 04/11/2003 12:19:21
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- D:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_1.vob,D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_2.vob,D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_3.vob,D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_01_4.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 04/11/2003 12:21:07
- Free on drive D: 91812.63 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
Audio extraction finished.

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- 04/11/2003 12:23:11
- Free on drive D: 91490.00 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 04/11/2003 12:38:52
- Free on drive D: 91351.90 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: D:\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: D:\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 04/11/2003 12:39:00
- Free on drive D: 91350.94 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TitlePicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1486240979 (1451407kb)
Predicted: 1247038031 (1217811kb) Using CQ Value: 80.00
Calculated next CQ Value: 87.08
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1486240979 (1451407kb)
Predicted: 1516043489 (1480511kb) Using CQ Value: 87.08
Calculated next CQ Value: 86.08
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1486240979 (1451407kb)
Predicted: 1470068011 (1435613kb) Using CQ Value: 86.08
Calculated next CQ Value: 86.51
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1486240979 (1451407kb)
Predicted: 1491798870 (1456835kb) Using CQ Value: 86.51
Calculated final CQ Value: 86.33
- Encoding D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 1665085576
AudioSectors: 146923280
VideoPAPO: 23517144
ScanOffsetBytes: 130185
SeqAligningBytes: 8273980
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 600.00
PureMPEGStream: 1486240979.00
Seconds: 6040.12
CalcMPEGStream: 1486240979.00
Frames: 144650
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00
Using CQ Value: 86.33
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("D:\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1\Mpeg2dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AV~2.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
ConvertToRGB()
----AVS End----

Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\unzipped\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 04/11/2003 18:26:14
- Free on drive D: 89856.49 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 04/11/2003 18:26:21
- Free on drive D: 89856.45 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 04/11/2003 18:26:24
- Free on drive D: 89856.43 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 04/11/2003 18:26:27
- Free on drive D: 89856.43 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2963 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2965
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 04/11/2003 18:36:01
- Free on drive D: 88218.71 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2965.116 seconds D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3068.108 seconds D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 04/11/2003 18:36:56
- Free on drive D: 88218.71 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 15

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 04/11/2003 18:38:47
- Free on drive D: 87412.11 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 18

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "D:\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~2.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 04/11/2003 18:40:42
- Free on drive D: 86557.64 mb
- Conversion done!
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regards
kimo

r6d2
8th November 2003, 13:33
Well, that's OK for now. (The ini file is indeed the one you found).

You're using an encoding mode called "Constant Quality", which may fail at getting the proper file size.

If you want to reencode, do as I said on my previous post, and before pressing the continue button, go to the Encoder tab and set Rate Control Mode to "2 Pass VBR" and Motion search precision to "High Quality (slow)".

Then go ahead with the continue button.

Please remember to read the aforementioned guide to advice you along the setting for your next encode.

Regards, kimosabi_5.

kimosabi_5
8th November 2003, 17:03
Hi r6d2
Thanks for the last reply.ok I have found the dvd2svcd project file.
opened into the recover box which now states finalize changed the settings in encode has per you instructions. in the combo box there are 8 options I think I know the one to use but better ask to be safe the options are.
audio extraction
adio processing
picture conversion
video encoding
pull down
muxing
svcd authoring
finalize
sorry for being dumb but because of the time it takes i would like to be sure I select the right one
regards
kimo

r6d2
8th November 2003, 17:12
Originally posted by kimosabi_5
in the combo box there are 8 options I think I know the one to use but better ask to be safe the options are.
audio extraction
adio processing
picture conversion
video encoding <- will resume from Video Encoding
pull down
muxing
svcd authoring
finalize

Was it the one you thought? :D

Be sure to change the stuff I told you after loading the project file and before pressing "Continue", or your encode will go ahead with the original parameters.

kimosabi_5
9th November 2003, 02:23
"EUREKA"
After weeks and about 30 coasters got it, but would not have succeeded without your good self and all the guys that put in their imput, I wish I had found this forum weeks ago.So I wish to thank you all once again THANKS YOU, THANKS YOU, THANKS YOU.
ALL THE VERY BEST WISHES TO YOU ALL AND THE FORUM.And yes I know I am shouting but felt like it lol. I will probably be back sometime or other so until them have "A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR"
KIND REGARDS
KIMO