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influenza
27th October 2003, 12:04
Lately I noticed there are quite some questions on using dif4u, docce4u and RA together. Especially the bitrate calculation and encoding seems unclear to some people.

Therefor I would like to clarify that there are more ways to do it. The guide on doom9 explains in detail, what i call method 2, so I will give somewhat less (no) attention on to that.

So basically there are two ways to do it:

1)Use Dif4u to do the bitrate calculations for you and use these calculations directly for encoding, use RA afterwards
2)Use Dif4u to demultiplex, then use RA to calculate bitrates and encode from RA. Like in the Doom9 guide.

1) In the dif4u global options check create video_ts using unused vtses (and ccedata.txt) option. There are three other important things:

*Important is the value you set for bitrate for extras. This is the bitrate your extras will get when reencoding (pretty obvious huh :) ). Don't set it too high or low. It depends on the desired quality ofcourse and the length of your main movie, menu and total number of extras. What i usually do is check the length of the main movie. is it about 1h30 and there are only a couple of extras I set the bitrate to 2300-2700 and i slightly decrease this if the main movie becomes longer/there are more extras. It's all a little bit of experience I guess.

* An other VERY important thing is the setting on the encoding method. You can set this on Global options, AVS script editor. You have the choice here between one pass VBR, Multipass and ROBA. I pick multipass, but that's op to you.

* The last important thing is the number of passes. CCE passes bottom right. You can set a number of passes for main and extras. The lower the bitrate on the extras, the more passes i would suggest.

Go about the demuxing as you usually would do. After demuxing look in your main demuxing dir. You'll find a ccedata.txt file there. In this file you'll find the name of the assets to be encoded and the encoding parameters like chosen method (1 for multipass, max/avg bitrate and number of passes.

Open docce4u and choose for import file list and load up your ccedata.txt. Now you can adjust some settings if you want and hit the encode button. You can also have docc4u start automatically from dif4u if you want (Global options-external post process using).

After encoding has finished. open up RA, browse to your demuxing directory. After RA did some loading hit the author it button and your scenarist script will be created.

2) well just as described in the doom9 guide ;).

caprioles9000
27th October 2003, 13:04
Cristal Clear :) .....Thnx ..I think for those who did not know the difference it will help them to decide which way to go ..i did not even know that there was two ways ..so hehehe .....now I will see which would be the best for me :) ......thnx Influenza :)

influenza
27th October 2003, 13:16
Glad to hear it's clear :).

It's also kind of self interest, ofcourse. Instead of explaining over and over (forum and irc) I'll just point everybody to this post. :D

foxmid
27th October 2003, 19:09
Thanks Influenza.

I for one am very appreciative of all the development that has gone into these programs. Lately, I'm seeing more "strange" layouts of my DVDs, and it's really starting to force me to seek knowledge and learn just what exactly I'm doing here.

That being said, if you just START with these add-ons, and haven't done ANYTHING manually, you really don't know how many tools are required! I mean, I've backed up nearly 60 - 100 DVDs so far, and I'm just now starting to find out about interlaced/progressive, and all that.

It's amazing to me how far this DVD backup effort has come, from just a year ago! If you browse some of the older topics, about a year ago right now, EVERYTHING was manual!

Anyway, short story long, this is a great resource, both being able to run ideas past others who have already done it wrong and learned ;) , not to mention the GREAT software that is coming from actual forum members!

Keep up the good work! I gotta get me a job so I can throw down some donation scratch.