use DVD2DVD to do FULL dvd backup?

[bennynihon]

Does anyone use DVD2DVD to do a full DVD backup. I understand that it's intended to only backup the main movie, but could you simply copy the menus, but use DVD2DVD to re-encode the movie (and perhaps extra scenes)? It would be nice if it at least supported copying the menus as is, and subtracting the size of the menus from the available space to know what bitrate to use to re-encode the movie at. Any ideas?

[r6d2]

Hi, @bennynihon, and welcome to the forum.

Originally posted by bennynihon
Does anyone use DVD2DVD to do a full DVD backup. I understand that it's intended to only backup the main movie.
That's precisely the purpose of DVD2SVCD. What you are looking for can be better described by a 1-Click solution (typically a transcoder).

For a wrap-up of the matter I recommend this guide:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62858

Cheers,

[bennynihon]

Thanks r6d2. Perhaps I'm dreaming, but I'd like a one-click solution that re-encodes the movie files using CCE rather than transcodes them. It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult for a program to first rip the DVD to the harddisk. Then it would analyze the contents, keeping the menus and other small files left untouched since they require such a small precentage of a DVD-R. The movies (main and extras) would be re-encoded at a target bitrate that would allow them to fit (along with the menus) on a single DVD-5 disc. It could even intelligently encode the extras at a lower bitrate than the main movie, leaving more bits for the main movie. This could all be done without any user interaction and could be kept as a "one-click" solution.

From what I understand, DVD2DVD as is, does not do what I described above (although I'm sure it could soon be able to). So I'm wondering that, rather than using the Big 3 solution, that could pontentially take longer, if I could use DVD2DVD to provide a nice automated way of re-enocoding just the .VOB movie files. I could then use the output of DVD2DVD, manually add the menu files and other miscellaneous files to create an image that I could burn on a DVD-R. Has anyone tried doing this?

[r6d2]

Well, looks like we have a new artisan coming to Doom9 ;)

Perhaps jsoto's plugin for DVD2SVCD: miniDVD & DVD authoring may be of use to you:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45504

[jsoto]

Hi bennynihon,

As r6d2 said, D2S is designed for a movie only backup, but....

I'm just starting to play with DVD structures, which can be very complex (i.e. The Matrix) or very simple (i.e. The Matrix reloaded). BTW, I believe I still need an Idiots (better ignorant) guide of this matter.

But in the case of a simple PGC title (like LOTR-1) it is very easy to do a full backup using D2S... and some other tools: DVDShrink, IFOUpdate and IFOedit.

In the case of a 2 or 3 PGC title (the main movie and one or two logo trailers) it is also feasible with not many knowledge (like myself) using IFOedit and the excellent 2COOL's guides.

I've done a full backup of LOTR-1 LOTRTT and Matrix Reloaded using:
DVD2SVCD + mdvdauth, reserving some space for menus
And, manually:
- Using DVDShrink to compress the original DVD, to reduce menus (a big quality of menus is not important to me).
- Run Ifoedit to create a multiPGC title using blank VOBs (or trailer titles) if needed (maybe IfoEdit096 will do this in the first pass, but mdvdauth still does not support it)
- "Mix" D2S main movie VOBs with DVDShrink menus with IFOUPDATE
- Run IFOedit to adjust pointers and so on (strip mode).

The final result is a D2S CCE encoded movie, DVDShrink compressed menus and a full DVD working backup. I am very happy with them.

But there are also a lot of complex DVDs...

jsoto

PS: All DVD I've mentioned above are Spanish PAL versions.