InstantCopy 8 preorders available !!!

[m1482]

You can preorder IC 8 at this moment...

$29.99 for upgrading from IC 7 to IC 8

$44.99 for new buyers...

More information here (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1394&Langue_ID=7)

[dvd_maniac]

I went to the link above. It seems to be ready to order NOW. I clicked buy and then check out and it was asking for my credit card. I do not want to put in my Credit card info unless it is actually version 8. It does not specify this when on the checkout page.
Also, is there a place where I can see the ACTUAL improvements from v7?

[quantum]

Also, is there a place where I can see the ACTUAL improvements from v7?I would be very interested to see this myself. I think it will be a short list.

[chipvideo]

I find this a complete disgrace. They come out with an upgraded product after being on the market only around 6 months and then make you pay for it if you have IC7.

[dvd_maniac]

I would like to purchase this upgrade if...
1. It is worth it. (what are the actual improvements)
2. Is the version they are currently selling actually version 8?
3. What are the final thoughts of the Beta testers?

[brush]

I don't think I would buy this piece of

[Lazza]

Originally posted by brush
I don't think I would buy this piece of
Actually it's rather good. ;)

Especially using the excellent hacks MackemX has created, you can also easily edit your registry to change those settings too.

And when the new version of ICHSE comes out what a great prog IC8 will be then! :)

[dvd_maniac]

What is ICHSE? What does it do? I tried a google on it but could not find out what this does. I feel SOSOSOSOSO stupid.

[chew1138]

I looked around the Pinnacle system trying to find the "upgrade" option and didn't have any luck.

Can someone direct me to it? Thanks.

[dvd_maniac]

Did a search on "download ichse" and came to MrBass' site.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by brush
I don't think I would buy this piece of thanks for your valuable input :p, but can you expand on this a little?

[mrbass]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
I would like to purchase this upgrade if...
1. It is worth it. (what are the actual improvements)
2. Is the version they are currently selling actually version 8?
3. What are the final thoughts of the Beta testers?

beta testers are not allowed to say squat and for good reason.

[dvd_maniac]

beta testers are not allowed to say squat and for good reason.
I understand this point. People would get very angry if told one thing and ended up with another altogether and I am sure there are other reasons to.
However, My main concern is whether or not the version sold on this site IS actually version 8? Here (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1394&Langue_ID=7)
This site has a button on the bottom of the page that states:
Buy InstantCopy version 8 with a buy button.
However on the next page (shopping cart page), it only gives a product number 210100308 No description of version number.
then the next page is a checkout page where it just wants my credit card #.
This is the reason for my question:
2. Is the version they are currently selling actually version 8?
And if it is indeed version 8, then it is no longer in beta testing?
So I do not understand why testers would not be able to talk about it. I am not saying that testers should, I am just wondering if they can after the official release.

[tumbar]

Me thinks the beta testers want to be testers for version 9 also.

Surely some of the requests did not make the 8.0 version.

The beta testers enjoy their current status and don't want to jepordize it.

I paid for version 7 and never got my rebate and personally will never purchase another pinnacle product or upgrade.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
I understand this point. People would get very angry if told one thing and ended up with another altogether and I am sure there are other reasons to.
However, My main concern is whether or not the version sold on this site IS actually version 8? Here (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1394&Langue_ID=7)
This site has a button on the bottom of the page that states:
with a buy button.
However on the next page (shopping cart page), it only gives a product number No description of version number.
210100308
I think version 7 is part number 202261305 and seeing as it mentions buy IC8, I can't see it being version 7

tried the number in Google and this is the one result HERE (http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=20359124) for $38.23 :D (on order though :()

[digitalman]

Where's the demo?

[voo_doo99]

There is really no compelling reason for me to upgrade. Lets see what IC8 is offering:

1)There was mention of speed improvement, but from 3hr processing down to 2hr isnt helping much.
2)There was no significant increase in video quality than IC7.
3)There is still mention of undersizing, not any more predictable than IC7.
4)There was mention of Title removal helping to take out extras. How well it works or not we wont know until later.
5)IC is always fussy about a stripped DVD file set, much more so than DVDShrink. There are ways to help but still a pain.

I think the $29.99 upgrade and $49.99 new pricing is pretty bold. Is Pinnacle banking on the loyal followings of IC users?. Well, I am not falling for it :stupid:. Maybe after 6 months or a year when IC8 is offered FREE after rebate then I will try my luck :D.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by voo_doo99
There is really no compelling reason for me to upgrade. Lets see what IC8 is offering:

1)There was mention of speed improvement, but from 3hr processing down to 2hr isnt helping much.
2)There was no significant increase in video quality than IC7.
3)There is still mention of undersizing, not any more predictable than IC7.
4)There was mention of Title removal helping to take out extras. How well it works or not we wont know until later.
5)IC is always fussy about a stripped DVD file set, much more so than DVDShrink. There are ways to help but still a pain.

I think the $29.99 upgrade and $49.99 new pricing is pretty bold. Is Pinnacle banking on the loyal followings of IC users?. Well, I am not falling for it :stupid:. Maybe after 6 months or a year when IC8 is offered FREE after rebate then I will try my luck :D.

1) there is the faster option available that is 4x faster
2) at least it's the same if not better due to better sizing so more disk space is used
3) it has improved and I am yet to experience it as my tests were OK
4) probably depends on your player but it did work on 3 standalones I tried but that's my testing
5) that's a user inflicted error and nothing to do with IC and it's probably an early warning sign it won't play on a fussy standalone either. IC8 doesn't seem to be as fussy as IC7 anyway as shown in my cropping guide, I cropped the start, end and beginning of the movie with a few simple mods in the IFO and it still played in my standalone (which ain't fussy) :D. IC is the only one to accept these dirty IFO mod's aswell

[MackemX]

Originally posted by tumbar
Me thinks the beta testers want to be testers for version 9 also.

Surely some of the requests did not make the 8.0 version.

The beta testers enjoy their current status and don't want to jepordize it.

I paid for version 7 and never got my rebate and personally will never purchase another pinnacle product or upgrade. thats your choice if you want it or not for whatever reason but does that mean you won't try the demo if it's available?

can I ask you this?, if were a legitimate user of a Beta would you really complain about it publicly before it was released? lol :D. Quite a few have and I doubt they are Beta testers for Pinnacle

and do you really expect every request to be implemented also?

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
And if it is indeed version 8, then it is no longer in beta testing?
So I do not understand why testers would not be able to talk about it. I am not saying that testers should, I am just wondering if they can after the official release. who's to say testing has ended?, who tests the updates? and I agree with you

I'm a tester and I don't know what I'm allowed to say regarding IC8 but Pinnacle have been very good regarding commucation and I try to keep what I do post within reason anyway. If being a tester means I can't say diddley squat about a product (good or bad) after it's publicly released (Unless I'm asked not to but I cannot see any reason why I would be asked) then it looks like I won't be a beta-tester for long then does it :(. I also test other products and say absolutely nothing as I have been asked not to, so I respect that

When I have said something I was trying to be fair to both sides as it's not them against us is it?. Regarding my IC8 comments previously, I just didn't like the fact so many users on boards were posting comments about IC8, crying that it didn't work etc. I can't read crap like that and not comment about it as it's obvious they ain't testers and again even more so, it's a f'in Beta!. So if you read my comments about IC8, most are defensive and positive as most issues that people have posted about are either fixed with feedback to Pinnacle or have simple fixes the user can do. I'm not saying IC8 is perfect but is any program?????

I will say this though, the bottom line is people are going to buy/upgrade this product, some will love it, some will hate it and some will think it's nothing special and use it occasionally! It's a known fact that this will happen as some people are easily pleased, yet some are just not satisfied for one reason or another no matter what and mostly because it doesn't work for them and end up crying about it

personally I love it but I loved IC7 also and the majority of that was because I could use it to my advantage even if I did have to babysit it a few times. That's why I wrote the guides to help others enjoy the same results

IC7 still has issues but the main issues regarding IC7 were actually self-inflicted and I posted this in the other IC8 upgrade thread to show this

.......Pinnacle do not support the title removal feature then this makes the sizing issue a little different

a lot of undersizing is caused by the 2.35:1 movies but if you do a full 1:1 backup of one of these movies then the undersizing is compensated by the menu/extras. Removing titles reduced the compensating extras size so the undersizing was greater and even more so for movie only projects

obviously some discs will have no extras etc to compensate the undersizing but it's in the minority and seeing as Pinnacle have always stated they will not support the copying of copyrighted material then there are very few DVD's you can complain to them about

the same goes for removing titles with IC7 and failure when playing back on a standalone. It isn't advertised to do that, it's a hack so it's user inflicted if it does not playback on your standalone and nothing to do with Pinnacle

I'm trying my best to help IC improve further and the future looks great. The only major issue for me regarding IC7 was the sizing but I don't seem to suffer from that now with IC8 but who's to say others won't?. I did a search yesterday for previous posts regarding requests, including my own, and it looks like IC8 is heading in the right direction as most have been implemented. Pinnacle have been listening to us and are working on making IC the tool that people want so why should people bash a Final product they haven't even tried yet

and no doubt the bashers will be out in force and when they do, I and others will be on hand to give assistance to help them overcome their troubles and hopefully make them happy :D

:rant off:

[dvd_maniac]

I appreciate what you and other beta's have done. You are taking, what I consider to be a pretty good product and helped make it better. I totally understand if you can't comment fully on this product and admire the loyalty you show to Pinnacle as a Beta tester.

My main concern on whether to purchase this was the title removal feature. Could you give me some insight as to some of the results you have experienced with it? I hope this is a topic you can touch on :)

[MackemX]

all I will say is that's it's supported as it's in the product description :D
Copy DVD to DVD
Make true 1:1 copies of single-layer DVDs, and burn dual-layer discs onto single layer 4.7GB recordable discs (CSS encrypted titles not supported). Do you want higher video quality for your dual-layer to single layer DVD copies? InstantCopy lets you selectively turn off any navigation restrictions, allowing you to fast forward or skip over parts of the DVD without having to re-author the entire disc.
Remove video titles, subtitles, and audio tracks, leaving more room on the disc to maximize the quality of the copy.

[voo_doo99]

Remove video titles,
If this works well out of the box, it will be a big selling point for the general backup public, AND a reprieve to IFOEdit users who know enough to be dangerous to themselves with self-inflicted backup injuries resulting from unadvised stripping :p

Wonder if it comes with disclaimer?: [Face North and cough 3 times before trying to remove titles. Professional operator, non-fussy standalone players only.] :D

[m1482]

Just to clarify...

To buy the upgrade, you must be a registered owner of IC 7. Then you will receive an E-Mail with the upgrade link. However if you do not received the E-Mail you can contact Pinnacle at:
eStore@pinnaclesys.com

About the DEMO, they told me that at this moment the DEMO is not available...