Perfect Looking Full Dvd-backup

[hypo20]

Actually, it's about 5 click solution, but it's very simple and the result is much much better than IC, which is by me the best one click DVD backup software.

I tried yeasterday InterVideo DVD Copy, and I was impressed!!!!
Picture quality is so great, that I forgot the CCE and the other tools.
There is just one problem. It does FULL DVD backup, so you cannot select, which extras you want to put away, which languages you don'y need, etc. AND, It does not recompress menus and extras. It just copies them. My point is, that I've used IC7 to transcode extras and menus, clear some audio languages, I leaved movie stream at 100%, so it wan't be compressed. The resulting DVD image, I've extracted to HDD and use it as source for IVI DVD Copy. It copies menus and extras (already compressed) and will transcode the movie stream. IVI DVD Copy is always creating 4.30 GB. It's awesome!!!!

Try it and post here your experiences. Thanks. To me, it works great!!!
But download IVI DVD Copy version 1.1. 1.0 sucks!!.

BTW, does anybody know about virtual DVD-RW drive (something like CloneCD)???

[MackemX]

Hybrid methods have been around for a while now where you use different programs to reduce different parts of the DVD

one of my usual methods was to use IC only on the main movie leaving menu/extras at 10% then use DVDShrink on the menu/extras leaving Main movie at 100% as it does a far better job of compressing the menu/extras to the size you specify. IC7 has problems recognising true title sizes and even ignores complete titles etc ISSUE 1 (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/ICinfo.htm), ISSUE 2 (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/guesstimates1.htm). Even if you set a title to 50% it sometimes cannot reduce it for some reason so again precious space is wasted

instead of using IC7 which takes ages and doesn't always reduce the menu/extras properly, why not try using DVDShrink on Deep analysis and then IVI DVD Copy for the main movie as DVDShrink will give you more space for your movie

it's great having such a choice and it will all depend on whether you feel the minimal (if any) quality difference on the menu/extras is worth all the time needed to extract the PDI etc than using DVDShrink :)

[hypo20]

Yeah, but for me, IC has on 30% for extras very good picture quality. btw, why you're not using still pictures instead 10%??? it's maybe in me, but 10% sound too low for me. :o)

[DVDRFreak]

There is already a thread about this tool.

Interface sucks.
Quality average compared to the other tools.

See:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59073&highlight=dvdcopy

[MackemX]

Originally posted by hypo20
Yeah, but for me, IC has on 30% for extras very good picture quality. btw, why you're not using still pictures instead 10%??? it's maybe in me, but 10% sound too low for me. :o)

I'm was trying to say that although you set IC to 30% it may not actually reduce it to 30% as I have shown in my examples and also tests I ran. I would use the same % with DVDshrink as I would in IC as it will give me the exact % size afterwards. DVDShrink will reduce it to whatever I set it at but IC7 is a bit unreliable regarding sizing

reading the 2nd part of your post there, it looks like you are talking about keeping all the extras including the ones you don't want to keep as you say why don't I use still pictures on the extras

I use a tool called Menuedit that removes the extras I don't want with a few clicks or I use Ifoedit, so I only reduce what I want to keep from the DVD instead of using still pictures which again wastes precious space

If you do want to remove stuff from the DVD to gain extra space for the final product, why not have a go at removing the stuff yourself if you feel confident enough

[sync]

Originally posted by hypo20
There is just one problem. It does FULL DVD backup, so you cannot select, which extras you want to put away, which languages you don'y need, etc. AND, It does not recompress menus and extras.
You could use DVDShrink to reauthor. Remove what you don't want and compress menus. Then use this app for the main movie.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by sync
You could use DVDShrink to reauthor. Remove what you don't want and compress menus. Then use this app for the main movie. reauthor doesn't work with menu's yet does it or have I missed something? (hope I have:))

[sync]

Originally posted by MackemX
reauthor doesn't work with menu's yet does it or have I missed something? (hope I have:))
Yes, I think you're right. I don't include menus in my backups and I forgot about that.

[hypo20]

I'm using IC7 to compress menus and extras and to remove unwanted audio and subtitle streams. :o))

[Chowskie]

Originally posted by hypo20
I'm using IC7 to compress menus and extras and to remove unwanted audio and subtitle streams. :o))

Yup, 'we' know that, u mentioned it on your first post of this thread. But how about the extra u don't want?? For example the movie trailers. Did u use IC to strip them too (by unchecking the titles)?

If I'm not mistaken, if u do that, your result files will not have the VTS_0x_1.VOB of the titles u just stripped (u only have VTS_0x_0.IFO, VTS_0x_0.BUP and VTS_0x_0.VOB). DVD Shrink and IC will give u an error when they analyse the VIDEO_TS.IFO from the resulting files.

[hypo20]

Yes. You can remove the extras, with unchcking in the box in IC7. Then you can MenuEditFree (freeware) and disable buttons in the DVD menu, that are refering to unchecked extras. :o)) And don't forget to use IfoEdit for Get VTS Sectors. I'm doing it everytime I copy some DVD. If anything is wrong with IFO's, it will correct it. :o))

[yyz]

Originally posted by Chowskie
If I'm not mistaken, if u do that, your result files will not have the VTS_0x_1.VOB of the titles u just stripped (u only have VTS_0x_0.IFO, VTS_0x_0.BUP and VTS_0x_0.VOB). DVD Shrink and IC will give u an error when they analyse the VIDEO_TS.IFO from the resulting files.

Does IC8 remove titles more cleanly than IC7 or do we still have to resort to using MenuEditFree and IFOedit?

[MackemX]

Originally posted by hypo20
Yes. You can remove the extras, with unchcking in the box in IC7. Then you can MenuEditFree (freeware) and disable buttons in the DVD menu, that are refering to unchecked extras. :o)) And don't forget to use IfoEdit for Get VTS Sectors. I'm doing it everytime I copy some DVD. If anything is wrong with IFO's, it will correct it. :o)) Sadly you cannot remove titles in IC7 and produce 100% playback success and maintain DVD Structure

you could remove extras that you know can only be accessed by the menu as long as you disable the buttons but that's the chance you take

[hypo20]

Or you can rewrite new pointer in IfoEdit. For example, we remove Title 3, chapter 2, but chapter 1 is present. We can redirect chapter 2 to chapter 1, so the player won't freeze. :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by hypo20
Or you can rewrite new pointer in IfoEdit. For example, we remove Title 3, chapter 2, but chapter 1 is present. We can redirect chapter 2 to chapter 1, so the player won't freeze. :)
before or after using IC?

[hypo20]

Originally posted by MackemX
before or after using IC?


After. Cannot say from head, i'm in work, but I can take a look where exactly in IfoEdit you must made these changes.

[MackemX]

I was thinking if it was after then how could you add an entry to an IFO that has no entries at all seeing as IC7 removes everything in whichever title you remove and sometimes the complete VOB

some info would be helpful as to how you do it as it would be nice to learn how you do it even though removing it 1st is what I always do now :)

[hypo20]

Even if you remove some title in IC, it creates a dummy VTS_X_1.VOB file and it's not modifying IFO files. Only start, end sectors.

[Chowskie]

Originally posted by hypo20
After. Cannot say from head, i'm in work, but I can take a look where exactly in IfoEdit you must made these changes.

It looks like u r manipulating the commands in the IFO files of the stripped titles. Your backup disk will work on most standalone DVD players since its file structure is broken.

When playing on PC, WinDVD, I can choose which title I wanna play. When I choose the missing title stripped by IC, the application will freeze. The Title button on my standalone either gives no response or bring me back to the Main Menu. I wonder any players out there will allow u to choose a specific title.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by hypo20
Even if you remove some title in IC, it creates a dummy VTS_X_1.VOB file and it's not modifying IFO files. Only start, end sectors. last I knew was that if you remove all the titles from a titleset using IC7, it does not create a blank entry it completely deletes the VOB :(

that's why fussy players etc lock up as they have nothing to play

[hypo20]

Originally posted by Chowskie
It looks like u r manipulating the commands in the IFO files of the stripped titles. Your backup disk will work on most standalone DVD players since its file structure is broken.

When playing on PC, WinDVD, I can choose which title I wanna play. When I choose the missing title stripped by IC, the application will freeze. The Title button on my standalone either gives no response or bring me back to the Main Menu. I wonder any players out there will allow u to choose a specific title.

Exactly. Very simple, but PC DVD Player won't freeze. :)

[hypo20]

Originally posted by MackemX
last I knew was that if you remove all the titles from a titleset using IC7, it does not create a blank entry it completely deletes the VOB :(

that's why fussy players etc lock up as they have nothing to play


Even if....it doesn't matter. You can redirect for example title 4 chapter 2 to title 3, chapter 6, which you have for exmple. So if title 4 chapter 2 is trailer and title 3, chapter 6 is main movie, and you will do this redirection, when you click on trailer in DVD menu, the main movie will run. :)

Edit:
Or use MenuEditFree to delete buttons, that are starting the missing extras. :)

[Chowskie]

Originally posted by MackemX
last I knew was that if you remove all the titles from a titleset using IC7, it does not create a blank entry it completely deletes the VOB :(

that's why fussy players etc lock up as they have nothing to play

Yup! I learned that the hard way. I even had a post asking for help b'cos IC won't be able to process the video files stripped by itself. See the post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59213).

U see hypo20, that's why I posted this earlier:

Originally posted by Chowskie
If I'm not mistaken, if u do that, your result files will not have the VTS_0x_1.VOB of the titles u just stripped (u only have VTS_0x_0.IFO, VTS_0x_0.BUP and VTS_0x_0.VOB). DVD Shrink and IC will give u an error when they analyse the VIDEO_TS.IFO from the resulting files.

[hypo20]

Originally posted by Chowskie
U see hypo20, that's why I posted this earlier:


See my post for MackemX

[hypo20]

Ok. I looked in IfoEdit.

What u need to change is Title Play Map Table in VIDEO_TS.IFO


:)

[MackemX]

it sounds like you will just end up having bits of the DVD playing when you don't want them if your not careful :(

I guess MenuEdit is the way for me at the minute ;)

[hypo20]

Originally posted by MackemX
I guess MenuEdit is the way for me at the minute ;)



Me thinks too. :)

[hypo20]

MackemX, do you know, what POWER CALIBRATION ERROR means in Nero 6.0.0.15, when I'm trying to burn at 4x to GigaMaster 4x media???

[MackemX]

try using Nero Power Callibration Error in Google

looks like poor media to me and try another software also

[hypo20]

Thanks. How's the MenuEdit working???

[MackemX]

great now as there is no real need for the macro anymore due to latest update and it could actually be made faster for stripping and I'm sure it will :)

takes seconds to strip stuff now and saves so much messing on looking at IFO's etc to work out what methods are needed to strip etc

worth every penny in my eyes :D

[Ewoud]

Has nobody had the problem with the intervideo DVD copy program that it deletes all the files after transcoding a DVD to harddrive??
I am using webtrial 1.2 but when the job is completed it immediatly deletes all the files created. It transcodes, parses the files and half way the progress bar stops while parsing and says that it is completed and deletes all created files.
When i do a portion of the DVD only a chapter without compressing this insnt happening...

[old-hack]

I saw the same thing happen using Intervideo DVDCopy web 1.2. Wondered where the transcoded files went. Even tried to do a simple VCD on main movie. Started it last night and was still running this morning showing 2% complete on second file of 2 files.

Seems pretty funky to me.

[old-hack]

Only reason I downloaded it to try was the statement DVD9 to DVD5 without loss of quality. Thought that was pretty ambitious not to mention impossible. Something's got to go during a shrinking process of that magnitude.

[old-hack]

Could be that the trial version is designed to go through the motions and delete the results. That would really suck as you couldn't verify the quality output of using their product.

[Ewoud]

I did a test again, this time copy the DVD directly (with transcoding) to my Plextor 708A on a RW media. Strangely the files created on HDD cannot be readed with PowerdDVD although the progress seems finished. I really don not understand what it is doing but when writing to DVD-writer direct instead of HDD i could play the copy no problem. Another strange effect was that the properties of the finished media say the capicity is 7 GB!! ?? When do the same on hardrive the finished files, one second before they got deleted by the app, were 4 GB (300 mb short to DVD+R media)
The overall quality loos good sometimes but if you look close in motions you will see very BIG macroblocks. I did the test with Lord of the rings 2 wich is 7,30 GB movie only so a lot of mb's needed to go to fit on DVDR. It's really strange that the copied disc tell me the dics contains as much data as the original source 7.30 GB...

I contact Intervideo about the issues for the files but they don't respont.

[Ewoud]

I really dont get it! The copy i made on a RW 4.7 holds 7 files of 0.99 GB and more total 7.30 GB as much as my source.

Is this normal to DVD writing, this fake size capicity?

maybe i overburned the disc or something...nooo cannot be so much overburning... It played okay.

[hypo20]

IVI DVD Copy makes all the VOB files on your harddrive, but it's designed to direct writing after transcoding. It's producing the IFO files on the fly while burning after transcode process. That's why u can't play it from HDD, and from DVD yes. :)