Problem using Roba plugin and with playback

[Brummig]

Hi everybody!

Spend the last week reading about Roba and other ways to encode movies in less than 10 hours using my aged PIII-500MHz. Used Lubitsch's 'To Be or Not to Be' (4:3,mono, black&white) for my tests. My goal was to fill two 800 CDs.

First problem: When using the Roba plugin it starts looking for the q-value starting and stopping CCE. Everything as it should be. But then at some point the plugin starts the CCE, the 'open-file'-dialog pops up and that's it. The first time my computer waited a whole night for someone to tell him what to do (me being fast asleep :) ) Is this a bug in the plugin or am I doing something wrong?

Second problem: After much trial and error I finally found the q-value to fill 2 CDs and after only 5 hours the images were ready to be burned. My computer playes them just fine but my standalone (Philips DVD 622) doesn't even recognize them.

I then did another test:
used the exact same settings as before (1-pass vbr, q-value 46, ...) but encoded only a single chapter (2.46 min). Burned the image and the standalone plays it without a problem. During a previous test I ended up with a disk being half full and the player wouldn't play it so the CD being filled to the max doesn't seem to be the problem.

Anybody got any idea?

Unfortunately I forgot to bring the ini- and log-files to work, but if anybody wants to take a look at them I coult post them tomorrow (don't really know if it would help).

Thx in advance

P.S. Just to see if the week of diggin' into Roba was any good:
Is it right that the method described in One Pass VBR (http://www.mpegit.net/eng_svcd.php) is really the same as using the Roba plugin set to a fixed number of CDs?

[r6d2]

Originally posted by Brummig
Unfortunately I forgot to bring the ini- and log-files to work, but if anybody wants to take a look at them I coult post them tomorrow (don't really know if it would help).
I think it will.

P.S. Just to see if the week of diggin' into Roba was any good:
Is it right that the method described in One Pass VBR (http://www.mpegit.net/eng_svcd.php) is really the same as using the Roba plugin set to a fixed number of CDs? [/B]
Yes, but automated.

[Brummig]

Okay, here comes the log:

WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
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- 14.09.2003 09:46:32
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 2
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Initializing
- E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_0.IFO
- E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_1.vob
- E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_2.vob
- E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_3.vob
- E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_4.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 14.09.2003 09:46:37
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\Dvd2avi.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_1.vob,E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_2.vob,E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_3.vob,E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VTS_04_4.vob]
Framerate: 25000
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 14.09.2003 09:49:59
- Free on drive E: 34978.25 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x81
Filename: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_2.ac3
Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio2 delay: 0 ms
Framerate: 25000
Audio extraction finished.

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- 14.09.2003 09:57:49
- Free on drive E: 34722.10 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -l 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
Audio conversion of E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.


Encoding Audio. Filename: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_2.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_2.ac3" -output "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Encoded_audio_2.mp2" -logfile "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Encoded_audio_2.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -l 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
Audio conversion of E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\Extracted_audio_2.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 14.09.2003 10:56:13
- Free on drive E: 34551.59 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 1667869728
AudioSectors: 181430032
VideoPAPO: 23025744
ScanOffsetBytes: 209510
SeqAligningBytes: 13315493
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 1449888941.83
Seconds: 5593.92
CalcMPEGStream: 1449888941.83
Frames: 139673
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 139673
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: One Pass VBR
Q. Factor: 46
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2073
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("D:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1\Mpeg2dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
# -= AviSynth script by FitCD v1.1.2 =-
BicubicResize(448,544,0,0.6,3,0,712,576)
AddBorders(16,16,16,16)
Import("E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 0.310
Video Encoding finished.

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- 14.09.2003 15:55:51
- Free on drive E: 33197.97 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 14.09.2003 15:55:54
- Free on drive E: 33197.97 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 14.09.2003 15:55:58
- Free on drive E: 33197.97 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 14.09.2003 15:56:01
- Free on drive E: 33197.97 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2859 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2861
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\Programme\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 14.09.2003 16:12:55
- Free on drive E: 32400.04 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2861.976 seconds E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
2725.848 seconds E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 14.09.2003 16:14:35
- Free on drive E: 32400.04 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 10

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\D2SCCD\d2sccd.exe" --verbose --cue-file="E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 14.09.2003 16:19:33
- Free on drive E: 31511.14 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 8

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\D2SCCD\d2sccd.exe" --verbose --cue-file="E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "E:\Ripping\Movie\hamlet2\VCDXBU~2.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 14.09.2003 16:23:35
- Free on drive E: 30768.50 mb
- Conversion done!
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Shutdown cancelled.

[Brummig]

Found the time to do some more tests.

The problem seems to be with the final image creation.

Using VCDXBuild:
Standalone doesn't play the cd

Using VCDImager:
Standalone plays the cd, shows timecode, can switch between audio tracks, no chapters

Using VCDEasy:
Standalone plays the cd, no timecode, can't open system menu (i.e. can't switch audio tracks etc), chapters work fine

Any tips how to create an image that combines the best of the last two?

[DDogg]

There is a whole raft of different settings available to you in the image tab to help with oddball players. Try a Short 5 chapter encode changing the PBC type, entrysvc and other combos till you find one that works. The fact that you have problems with vcdeasy tells me most probably it is your player. VCD easy also has several setting adjustments. It will be a real pain for you to try the different settings and burn them, but from a positive side it will only need to be done once to find out what it will take (hopefully). Good luck and I think you will find the problem in the pbc area as you said vcdimager gets it nearly right. It uses no PBC (play back control).