Atreides
15th September 2003, 09:30
Dear Friends,
First I`ll give you a brief description of my problem, when I`m trying to convert a NTSC DVD to NTSC SVCD using DVD2SVCD with CCE encoder, there are “Interlaced lines” during any horizontal movement in the produced picture.
Now I`ll give you a near-complete detail on whatever I`m using or abusing!!!!! :D
Software:
1.DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 Build 2a – permanent subtitle bug fixed replacing the DVD2SVCD.exe file with www.dvd2dvd.org/pct/link.php?link_id=21 (http://)
2. Cinema Craft Encoder SP ver. 2.67.00.11. The reason I`m using this version is that CCE SP_v 2.50.01.00 crashes constantly on my system –although I have not tried enabling Safe mode Frameserving with this version.I`ve also tried CC SP ver.2.66.01.07 with Eclcee, there were also frequently crashes. It seemed to me - after much trial and error - that ver. 2.67.00.11 without enabling Safe mode had not much problem, and since I`m enabling the safe mode there has been no CCE error or crashes on my system.
3.Avisynth ver. 2.51 , installed with DVD2SVCD.
4.ElCCE 1.6
5.Autofit CD ver. 1.5
6.Templates provided by RB
URL=http://]home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/ccetemplates.zip [/URL]
7.O.S : Windows 2000 Professional , Service Pack 3.Actually my only strength lies here, since I`m a semi-expert user, somehow experienced with almost all Widows releases, and take really good care of the O.S - keep track and clean registry, updated drivers, memory resident programs as few as possible,…. - , in other words a real stable – if such a thing ever existed – O.S , we presume that the problem with CCE crashing is not O.S related.It`s one of the few softwares causing trouble, TMPGE - any ver.- or any other encoder , never crashed.
Hardware:
Athlon XP 1700 – Via KT266 chipset (Epox 8KHAL) – 512 MB Kingston DDR SDRAM. (2*256 modules) - Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128 MB (Gainward Golden Sample but not overclocked) – At least 10 MB free Space on the H.D.D partition I use for converting.
Myself : A vague comprehension about converting concepts and the related softwares.Following whatever reliable guide on the net, reading forums and a trial and error.In other words a veteran newbie, obsessed –in terms of OCD, last night I spent 6 h. converting different ripped *.vob files – thankfully just 2-3 min chapters, else I would be sittin` all my life converting, which became like a ritual, tweaking the setting , go , then again and again……… :confused: :confused: :confused:
The Problem itself :
As mentioned earlier, when I want to convert a NTSC DVD to NTSC SVCD the result is twisted –not that badly but alas- with interlaced line whenever there is horizontal motion.Let`s look a the Bitrate readings for 2 *.vob files I`ve tried:
1.Num. of picture read: 871
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML CBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 8000000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced
2.Num. of picture read: 601
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 8000000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Interlaced
So the only apparent difference is in Scan Type and Both vobs are Interlaced, also checked with DVD2AVI.
Now to the DVD2SVCD setting.Everything left default except:
Encoder: CCE – Safe mode Enabled – Field order : Automatic – Multipass VBR 4 times – In advanced setting as recommended in the “DVDXZONE DVD2SVCD” guide :
Check the DCT type, if it is Frame, you should check Progressive frames and Zigzag scanning order. If it was Field uncheck both Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames.
Therefore I`ve unchecked both Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames.Everything else left as default.
NTSC Field operation is also off or automatic in both cases, but even in the automatic case the program selects off.
Under the conversion Tab as Deinterlace mode I`ve selected “No Deinterlacing” because In the “DVD2SVCD 1.0.9 build 3 Newbie Reference” it says:
Deinterlace leave at default No deinterlacing for NTSC
In the frameserver setting I`ve tried either BicubicResize or SimpleResize or AutoFitCD, which I`ll explain further.
The outcome results with interlaced lines in all three frameserving modes.
Then I have tried following the RB recommendation:
RB writes:
HOW TO: Use CCE 2.66+ trial with DVD2SVCD By RB
Note also that you should use the Interlaced template only if your source video is interlaced and "Keep Interlaced" is selected for the Deinterlacing option on the DVD2SVCD Conversion tab. Otherwise select the Progressive template
Therefore I`ve selected "Keep Interlaced" and used the Interlace template with CCE advanced setting.
The result with Bicubic resize : No interlace lines but “The Egg-headed” effect -the picture is vertically stretched-. I assume something went wrong with the aspect ratio.
The result with Autofit CD: Also no interlace lines and the aspect ratio is correct.
Why does this happen? To be honest, I prefer to use Bicubic Resize rather than Autofit CD. :confused: :confused:
I`ve also read in this forum – unfortunately I could not find the reference post – that with NTSC there is no need to uncheck the Progressive frames which contraindicates the DVDXZONE guide.Therefore I`ve enabled Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames again and encoded with No deinterlace but the interlace line occurs with all the three Frameserving options.
Such a misery I`ve brought upon myself. :devil: :devil:
What shall I do to prevent those Interlace lines with BicubicResize and while keeping No deinterlace option for the above mentioned vob files?
Since all my DVD`s are NTSC, What shall I do to prevent those Interlace lines with BicubicResize while keeping No deinterlace option for the above mentioned vob files?
Since all my DVD`s are NTSC, when should I use No deinterlace and when Keep Interlace at all?
I really need a hand here, any help could be life saving and gettin` my life back on the track.
Also please ask for any further info if necessary.
Thanx
Atreides
First I`ll give you a brief description of my problem, when I`m trying to convert a NTSC DVD to NTSC SVCD using DVD2SVCD with CCE encoder, there are “Interlaced lines” during any horizontal movement in the produced picture.
Now I`ll give you a near-complete detail on whatever I`m using or abusing!!!!! :D
Software:
1.DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 Build 2a – permanent subtitle bug fixed replacing the DVD2SVCD.exe file with www.dvd2dvd.org/pct/link.php?link_id=21 (http://)
2. Cinema Craft Encoder SP ver. 2.67.00.11. The reason I`m using this version is that CCE SP_v 2.50.01.00 crashes constantly on my system –although I have not tried enabling Safe mode Frameserving with this version.I`ve also tried CC SP ver.2.66.01.07 with Eclcee, there were also frequently crashes. It seemed to me - after much trial and error - that ver. 2.67.00.11 without enabling Safe mode had not much problem, and since I`m enabling the safe mode there has been no CCE error or crashes on my system.
3.Avisynth ver. 2.51 , installed with DVD2SVCD.
4.ElCCE 1.6
5.Autofit CD ver. 1.5
6.Templates provided by RB
URL=http://]home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/ccetemplates.zip [/URL]
7.O.S : Windows 2000 Professional , Service Pack 3.Actually my only strength lies here, since I`m a semi-expert user, somehow experienced with almost all Widows releases, and take really good care of the O.S - keep track and clean registry, updated drivers, memory resident programs as few as possible,…. - , in other words a real stable – if such a thing ever existed – O.S , we presume that the problem with CCE crashing is not O.S related.It`s one of the few softwares causing trouble, TMPGE - any ver.- or any other encoder , never crashed.
Hardware:
Athlon XP 1700 – Via KT266 chipset (Epox 8KHAL) – 512 MB Kingston DDR SDRAM. (2*256 modules) - Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128 MB (Gainward Golden Sample but not overclocked) – At least 10 MB free Space on the H.D.D partition I use for converting.
Myself : A vague comprehension about converting concepts and the related softwares.Following whatever reliable guide on the net, reading forums and a trial and error.In other words a veteran newbie, obsessed –in terms of OCD, last night I spent 6 h. converting different ripped *.vob files – thankfully just 2-3 min chapters, else I would be sittin` all my life converting, which became like a ritual, tweaking the setting , go , then again and again……… :confused: :confused: :confused:
The Problem itself :
As mentioned earlier, when I want to convert a NTSC DVD to NTSC SVCD the result is twisted –not that badly but alas- with interlaced line whenever there is horizontal motion.Let`s look a the Bitrate readings for 2 *.vob files I`ve tried:
1.Num. of picture read: 871
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML CBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 8000000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Interlaced
2.Num. of picture read: 601
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 8000000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Interlaced
So the only apparent difference is in Scan Type and Both vobs are Interlaced, also checked with DVD2AVI.
Now to the DVD2SVCD setting.Everything left default except:
Encoder: CCE – Safe mode Enabled – Field order : Automatic – Multipass VBR 4 times – In advanced setting as recommended in the “DVDXZONE DVD2SVCD” guide :
Check the DCT type, if it is Frame, you should check Progressive frames and Zigzag scanning order. If it was Field uncheck both Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames.
Therefore I`ve unchecked both Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames.Everything else left as default.
NTSC Field operation is also off or automatic in both cases, but even in the automatic case the program selects off.
Under the conversion Tab as Deinterlace mode I`ve selected “No Deinterlacing” because In the “DVD2SVCD 1.0.9 build 3 Newbie Reference” it says:
Deinterlace leave at default No deinterlacing for NTSC
In the frameserver setting I`ve tried either BicubicResize or SimpleResize or AutoFitCD, which I`ll explain further.
The outcome results with interlaced lines in all three frameserving modes.
Then I have tried following the RB recommendation:
RB writes:
HOW TO: Use CCE 2.66+ trial with DVD2SVCD By RB
Note also that you should use the Interlaced template only if your source video is interlaced and "Keep Interlaced" is selected for the Deinterlacing option on the DVD2SVCD Conversion tab. Otherwise select the Progressive template
Therefore I`ve selected "Keep Interlaced" and used the Interlace template with CCE advanced setting.
The result with Bicubic resize : No interlace lines but “The Egg-headed” effect -the picture is vertically stretched-. I assume something went wrong with the aspect ratio.
The result with Autofit CD: Also no interlace lines and the aspect ratio is correct.
Why does this happen? To be honest, I prefer to use Bicubic Resize rather than Autofit CD. :confused: :confused:
I`ve also read in this forum – unfortunately I could not find the reference post – that with NTSC there is no need to uncheck the Progressive frames which contraindicates the DVDXZONE guide.Therefore I`ve enabled Zigzag scanning order and Progressive frames again and encoded with No deinterlace but the interlace line occurs with all the three Frameserving options.
Such a misery I`ve brought upon myself. :devil: :devil:
What shall I do to prevent those Interlace lines with BicubicResize and while keeping No deinterlace option for the above mentioned vob files?
Since all my DVD`s are NTSC, What shall I do to prevent those Interlace lines with BicubicResize while keeping No deinterlace option for the above mentioned vob files?
Since all my DVD`s are NTSC, when should I use No deinterlace and when Keep Interlace at all?
I really need a hand here, any help could be life saving and gettin` my life back on the track.
Also please ask for any further info if necessary.
Thanx
Atreides