IVTC idea for Evangelion US series

[Nemesis7]

Hey ppl,

Just like many of u I am trying to make a (near) perfect encode of this master series. But it's almost impossible to apply ivtc and deinterlacing properly.
So why don't we all do a part of it? Like per episode, so that we would get the (near)perfect settings? It probably has to be done manually with tprivtc using TMPGEnc.
So what about it? Starting some project to properly ivtc/deinterlace this?

Lemme know,

Neme.

P.S. Any other ideas would be perfect, there is a Eva release on the net which just is perfect, but I think it's done manually.

[zettai]

the Eva Revival dvd release in Japan is a perfect progressive transfer. You aren't going to find better than that.

[Nemesis7]

Any links where to get these? And I wont get another set man, would cost me too much.

Neme.

[zettai]

Originally posted by Nemesis7
Any links where to get these? And I wont get another set man, would cost me too much.

Then you're out of luck because I don't know anywhere you can get these dvds for free. :rolleyes:

[Nemesis7]

Haha, I dont expect u to man. No worries.
On the official Evangelion website (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evangelion.co.jp&lp=ja_en) u can see the new box, i converted it to euros and its around 326 euros!, thats soo damn expensive.

But back to the main thing, about trying to ivtc the ADV releases properly. Any suggestions/help?

[zettai]

Unfortunately there isn't a way to IVTC the original eva release properly.

The original print for eva has jitter and blended fields left right and centre. This is why they've done a remaster - they went back to the original and did a brand new progressive print because the old telecine was so bad.

[Nemesis7]

Well I know this dude. Thats why I asked for help. It can be done, because some of the eps on the net look perfect (meaning no interlacing and smooth motion). So if it has to be done maunally, cant we set up some project to do this, like every1 does 1000 frames or something. That way we would have perfect ivtc scripts for Eva.

Neme.

[zettai]

I've already told you, the progressive frames can't be reconstructed because of blended fields - thus making IVTC (even manual IVTC) impossible. You can get some of the progressive frames but you'll never get them all.

For the blended fields, all you can really do is deinterlace. If you dont understand the way the field blending on eva is a problem then I can make some screenshots but, trust me, it's a problem that's beyond even perculiarblend.

[Nemesis7]

Aaight man, I do understand, but (yea there is a but :P) the ones on the net DO look almost perfect (not talking about picture quality), so there is a way. And doing it manually would get the best results. Even though not perfect, beacuse its impossible. So do u know how the net ones are done? Would b appreciated.

Neme.

[Dreassica]

those "so-called perfect" rips on teh inet prolly did use the eva remastered jap source for its video adn used the us versions audio.

[Nemesis7]

impossible dude, those rips have been on the net for years. And the remastered ones have come out recently. So they managed to get them ivtc'd properly.

[Erhune]

I see I'm not the only one to have spent many (so many !) hours to try making a good rip of Evangelion DVDs.

After many experimentations, the best way I've found to have a quite proper deinterlacing is using TMPGEnc's "even-odd field with animation adaptation 2" deinterlacing and encoding the result at 50 fps. That method reduces trembling artifacts on lines quite well, and makes motion rather smooth with the high fps count.

The problem is the size, it makes more than 60000 frames for each ep, so I've encoded them in 696x538, 320 Mo for 20 min (with 30 Mo of sound - dual ogg, that makes 350 Mo each episode).

Here is my definitive AVS script (I only change the cropping values for each episode) :

AVISource("d:\Rip Evangelion\01\ep1_tpr_vfapi.avi")
Crop(12,2,-12,-2)
ConvertToYV12()
LanczosResize(696,538)
deen("a3d",1,10,12)

Obviously this solution is not perfect at all, and I must admit I'm not satisfied with the result.

Erhune
EVA "serial encoder"

PS. Which release you think is perfect ? I'm very interested in seeing the result with my own eyes...

[DvdKhl]

Nemesis7,Erhune can you do me a favor?
and try this script on your series? (just load it into Virtual Dub)
and look if it is progressive now
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AVISource("d:\Rip Evangelion\01\ep1_tpr_vfapi.avi")
assumefieldbased()
separatefields().weave()
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[resonator]

I bought two volumes of the "regular" (4 episode per disc volumes) edition of 'Evangelion Renewal' that came out in Japan some weeks ago, and the quality is absolutly perfect. In fact, both the telecine and the soundtrack have been re-done from scratch (according to Gainax). The 5.1 mix sounds amazing, the picture is sharp and steady and the colors are beautiful.

I'm so glad that I haven't watched this series so far, because I get to see it for the first time in this superb quality! ;) Takes a bit of work though, because the japanese DVDs don't have subtitles, so I need to make my own DVDs with fansub scripts, but it's well worth the effort and the scripts I've got (from Emule) are easy to sync anyway.

[Erhune]

@DvdKhl:

I suppose you wanted me to use your script on the original VOB instead of the already-deinterlaced by TMPGEnc AVI. So I used :

Mpeg2Source("d:\Rip Evangelion\01\ep1.d2v",cpu=6,idct=7,moderate_h=15,moderate_v=30,iPP=true)
assumefieldbased()
separatefields().weave()

and that's what I get : http://www.npng.org/evangelion/separate.weave.png. A totally progressive video full of 2x2 pixel blocks. And if I understand correctly how weave() works, it does not surprise me. I resized the video to get rid of these horrible blocks but here are the others problems that still remain : the lines are very unstable, especially the horizontal lines. And at scenes changes, AviSynth produces a blended frame of the two scenes which is quite horrible. Motion on the video is acceptable, but not perfect.

I hope I've answered your questions ;)

@resonator:

I've just spent about 100 Euros buying the new Dynamic Visions' French release. I hate these guys, now ;) Concerning animes, always trust Japanese people rather than European ones... Anyway, if I may give you an advice : buy all the other Renewal DVDs, this series is really awesome !

Erhune
EVA "serial encoder"

[DvdKhl]

mhh I have exactly the same problems with my series (Buffy,Xena)
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A totally progressive video full of 2x2 pixel blocks. And if I understand correctly how weave() works, it does not surprise me.

And at scenes changes, AviSynth produces a blended frame of the two scenes which is quite horrible. Motion on the video is acceptable, but not perfect.
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I have 2X1 blocks
but can you explain why avisynth produces combed frames when I use weave()? or a link that explains it?

because I thougt weave() makes the opposite from seperatefields() so why do we get such results?

[neuron2]

I explained this in your other thread where you described this phenomenon.

[Si]

@DvdKhl

Your not listening are you :)

STOP USING ASSUMEFIELDBASED

IT DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY

regards
Simon

[DvdKhl]

ok ok
I believe you, I just wanted to know why it doesn't work proberly

(ok I could have thougt of it that seperatefields() doesn't work with assumefieldbased() but after long time trying to deinterlace the series I was just happy that it would "deinterlace" or better discard one field)

And If I don't ask I never learn :D

[resonator]

Originally posted by Erhune
@resonator:

I've just spent about 100 Euros buying the new Dynamic Visions' French release. I hate these guys, now ;) Concerning animes, always trust Japanese people rather than European ones... Anyway, if I may give you an advice : buy all the other Renewal DVDs, this series is really awesome !


I'd never buy a PAL disc of an Anime, because they've almost certain will have blended fields, except it's a theatrical film. And yes, I'm planning on buying the rest of them, that will take some time though, because one disc costs 50 Euros (inlcuding shipping and import tax). But eventually I'll get them all! Damn DVD-addiction.