Instantcopy 8 [Archive] - Doom9's Forum

The eDealer

22nd August 2003, 10:26

Originally posted by geffroman
Has anyone seen Instantcopy 8 available in English? I go to Pinnacle's site and only see 7.1.1 available at this time...

Has anyone tested version 8 ?

Just have a look: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59769&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

There is a translation of the anouncment.

ThePanther

22nd August 2003, 13:46

Guys (Beta Testers)

Do any of you know if the filesize prediction has been improved.

lrosado

22nd August 2003, 15:17

Before you start a new thread you should use the search. There is already a thread about this.

geffroman

22nd August 2003, 15:58

Originally posted by lrosado
Before you start a new thread you should use the search. There is already a thread about this.

Before you assume I was being lazy, try doing the search for "InstantCopy 8" yourself and see what you get...

:D

lrosado

22nd August 2003, 21:06

I did and I got hits, Either way dont take it the wrong way, no offense, its just the thread,"Instantcopy new version in the works" has been on the initial "One Click DVD backup solutions" page since aug 18th and there was also another one called ,INSTANTCOPY8, which just fell off.

SiXXGuNNZ

23rd August 2003, 18:22

I have v8.0.0.0251, haven't gotten a chance to try it yet, I did install it, but now explorer crashes anytime I right click, gonna install it on my dvd copy pc and see if the problem happens on that pc also.

Bluto

23rd August 2003, 18:34

I made a backup of my Two Towers I got today with IC8 - it took 97 minutes and messed up the chapter menu - only shows chapters 1-4 on-screen even when you choose other chapters off the menu.

The quality of the movie is very good though.

FYI, I used DVD Shrink V3B5 earlier and menus and quality are just as good (IMHO).

Bluto

2COOL

23rd August 2003, 19:33

Originally posted by Bluto
I made a backup of my Two Towers I got today...
:confused: What region is yours?

Indo

23rd August 2003, 19:47

messed up the chapter menu - only shows chapters 1-4 on-screen even when you choose other chapters off the menu

Hade the same when I burned from IC's virtual drive to my burner with RNM 4.5 (Did this twice to be sure it wasn't the media).
I could play from virtual drive with Power DVD, no problems.
When i burned the PDI directly with IC8, everything worked fine.

Very strange

Bluto

23rd August 2003, 19:57

@ 2COOL

Region 2

@ Indo
PowerDVD didnt play chapters properly either. Just used DVDShrink in the end. Sorted.

Bluto

SiXXGuNNZ

27th August 2003, 01:50

instant copy 8 works good enough for me with movie only backups. the fast mode is allright, nothing to brag about. it is fast tho, like 30 minutes for a 3 hour movie, while the longer method takes about 90 minutes for a 3 hour movie(Casino)

I would only use cce to re-encode if I could get a dvd to author correctly, still haven't figured that out, chapters stutter whenever I make a dvd with cce, so I will stick with ic8 for movie only backups and dvd decryptor for 1:1 backups.

Lazza

28th August 2003, 12:38

Just ran a test myself with IC8 on fast mode with an NYPD Blue S1 DVD. OK - A big test for sure considering it's size. :D

Compared to the results of both DVD Shrink & DVD2one the IC8 fast mode result was awful and..... not that fast! :p

OK, anybody with any sense is not going to backup a 7-8 GB disc using this method and use either the normal long-route IC8 method or CCE but for me it was interesting to see how it compared against the rest of the "fast boy" pack quality wise. Sadly pulsations & pixilations galore.

balks

28th August 2003, 16:04

I just tried IC8 on CSI disc one which was 7.3GB, and it took 4 hrs !!
The quality was great, but is it really sposed to take that long???

Running it on an Athlon 1.2GHz with 512MB RAM.
(Also tried it on my P4 2.4GHz laptop, and after 30 mins, it still said 450 mins left !! So i cancelled.

You guys mention 90 mins for a movie. What spec machine?

Cheers

Dave25

28th August 2003, 19:56

I tried installing Instant Copy 8 and it messed my burning program Nero 6, it started throwing coasters left , right and centre with 'error in block addresses!'. However that was fixed after uninstalling InstantCopy8! Looks like a confliction between these two softwares.

dave

jfcarbel

28th August 2003, 21:28

balks,
Did you use a separate drive for the destination? This speeds up things greatly.

I rip to one drive and reencode on the other. On a P4 2.4 it takes 1 to 1.5 hours.

balks

28th August 2003, 23:35

jfcarbel,
Aha. I used the same drive (two different partitions). And the drive is very full of crap, so i should probably reformat at some point.
That might have been the problem then. Coz 4 hrs is just ridiculous.

Thanks

JFerguson

29th August 2003, 00:01

Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 00:46

Originally posted by balks
I just tried IC8 on CSI disc one which was 7.3GB, and it took 4 hrs !!
The quality was great, but is it really sposed to take that long???

Running it on an Athlon 1.2GHz with 512MB RAM.
(Also tried it on my P4 2.4GHz laptop, and after 30 mins, it still said 450 mins left !! So i cancelled.

You guys mention 90 mins for a movie. What spec machine?

Cheers

casino is 3 hours, it took 90 minutes on the slow mode

amd 2800+ barton
512 ddr 400
128 geforce 5200 ultra
asus nforce2 chipset
120 gb maxtor 8 mb cache

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 00:47

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

pdi2iso works, but I just load the pdi in dvd decryptor and burn it, no probs for me so far

MackemX

29th August 2003, 00:47

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

there's no real need for PDITOOL now as you can use InstantDrive as the source and this gives you access to the files immediately after processing as it automatically mounts the PDI image, so if you wanna use any burning software or modify a few files you are able too :)

p.s. I didn't realise there were this many Beta testers :p

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 00:52

Originally posted by MackemX
there's no real need for PDITOOL now as you can use InstantDrive as the source and this gives you access to the files immediately after processing as it automatically mounts the PDI image, so if you wanna use any burning software or modify a few files you are able too :)

p.s. I didn't realise there were this many Beta testers :p

yet I have a virtual drive thru alcohol 120%, so I don't really want another, you can create a mds in dvd decryptor and mount the pdi thru the created mds if you wanna

MackemX

29th August 2003, 01:03

Originally posted by SiXXGuNNZ
yet I have a virtual drive thru alcohol 120%, so I don't really want another, you can create a mds in dvd decryptor and mount the pdi thru the created mds if you wanna

good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds

I just wish there was an option to output to VIDEO_TS :)

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 02:33

Originally posted by MackemX
good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds

I just wish there was an option to output to VIDEO_TS :)

I would also, I am not a big fan of these pdi images :)

duartix

29th August 2003, 16:41

good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds Well that must make me the 0.01% of users for which it doesn't work.
When I installed IC8 and DriveImage it created a virtual drive immediately.
I started DriveImage , selected the PDI file and now it created another virtual drive which has nothing in it.
What am I doing wrong?
By the way, I have removed the virtual drive of the .pdi with DriveImage but there are still two virtual drives.
What's this all about???
[EDIT] I am an idiot!
I guess it's at transcoding time that I have to set the destination to VirtualDrive, right?
[EDIT2] No it doesn't work either.:(

Richk50

29th August 2003, 18:02

Once you install the IC virtual drive, it's on you computer until you uninstall it.

KYUSS

29th August 2003, 20:05

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 21:28

Originally posted by KYUSS
how did u find this out m8?

:D :D :D

the alcohol forums

I did however see your post about it here yesterday also, good stuff :)

schlaufer

31st August 2003, 14:58

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

pdixtract/PDITool still work with IC8. they did not change the file format.

Scarpad

2nd September 2003, 19:44

So is this for sale yet or are you guys all using the DL'd internet verision i.e. warez?

layer3maniac

2nd September 2003, 20:14

We don't use that word around here or ask those types of questions.

Zimmy

2nd September 2003, 21:54

Excuse me if this has been asked but have they fixed the size issue? (a question to all you beta testers out there).

On a personal note, I bought and paid for Instant Copy 7 but if Pinnacle wants to charge me to upgrade to version 8, they will never see another dime of my money again. What, was Version 7 released 2 months ago? Were we all beta testers?

Zimmy

geffroman

3rd September 2003, 00:23

I know most people don't like the size issue with IC7. In my case I have only seen one movie that came back at less than 4GB(most recent Star Trek). Otherwise IC7 has always delivered above 4.15GB which I can live with.

My real problem with the program is that it messes up menus and in some cases it causes premature chapter jumps.

NYPD Blue 2nd Season - causes pixel blocks of incorrect data after end of episode just before returning to menus.

Life of David Gale - After movie plays will not display buttons of menu, just shows video from proper menu and NO BUTTON text. Same menus work properly before movie is played.

Le Femme Nikita 1st Season, Disc 5, Episode 2, Chapter 2 - Shows a green pixel block in upper left corner of screen and jumps to chapter 3 prematurly. You can reverse play up to this area of the data and press play to watch the rest of chapter 2. Something is corrupt in the data and causes a jump to chapter 3 even though chapter 2 is all there.

Dark Angel 1st Season - Forget which disk and episode but same issues as Nikita above.

These isses force me to use SHRINK which does a perfect job on all menus and navigation. But Episodic DVDs need InstantCopy's coding quality as compression is typically 35% to 40%.

Has anyone else seen these problems and does anyone know if IC 8 has addressed them?

Lazza

3rd September 2003, 08:18

Originally posted by Zimmy
Excuse me if this has been asked but have they fixed the size issue?..................

Zimmy

No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! :mad:

Typical .pdi file sizes I've been getting are 4.12 - 4.17 GB. Pathetic huh?

Ah well, something for my buddy TheMadGuy to work on for the next version of ICHSE! :D

duartix

3rd September 2003, 11:45

No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! Even worse. From a "quick" test I made, it always ends up with the same undersize 4.1 GB, whether I set the size for 4.3 GB or oversize it by 400MB. :angry: I could probably me messing up the sizing options though.:confused:
Dohhhh !!!

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 14:03

Originally posted by Lazza
No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! :mad:

Typical .pdi file sizes I've been getting are 4.12 - 4.17 GB. Pathetic huh?

Ah well, something for my buddy TheMadGuy to work on for the next version of ICHSE! :D

just be brave and dive into the registry and change them yourself like I have until then :)

I'm still busy testing but using a very high analysis setting to see the outcome so I can offer advice for settings to people when it's released

are your results regular?

Lazza

3rd September 2003, 15:17

Yeah they seem to be pretty much always around that size, not had one under 4.11 so far.

Brave...me???

You got the wrong bloke m8! :D

Though I must admit I've never really checked it out so might dust the cobwebs off regedit later. :eek:

leopardone

3rd September 2003, 17:25

mmm... maybe i'm wrong but after few test I can see that:
1. the final size is not accurate as we would like to be
2. if I strip some titles, than I can't burn the new dvd because all the video_ts.ifo's infos are messed up (so I have to manipulate al little bit some value)
3. the quality is always great :)

BUT... I've installed the v.8 over an installed v.7 and I dunno if all the hidden settigs "discovered" with the reg files are being used by v.8

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 18:31

my latest 2 tests using my own reg tweaks were both just short of 4.37Gb by a few MB's :D. It took about 20-25 minutes to analyse both with the settings I have at the minute and although I could analyse more if I needed, that may not necessarily result in a bigger PDI file as it can also result in a smaller file as I have discovered in the past

so really I have no reason to complain about the sizing issue at the minute as it's very accurate for me (even the 2.35:1 has improved greatly)

@Lazza, you doing the complete DVD or movie only?. At least it's consistent and seeing as it has a 2% default safety margin along with other default settings then this may explain the shortfall

@leopardone don't worry about IC7 settings as they don't affect IC8 and I'll pass on the title stripping

-JS-

3rd September 2003, 18:48

Care to share those reg tweaks? I haven't got round to trying IC8 yet, but when I do they'd be useful :)

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 18:57

at the minute I will only share info with the few beta testers from Doom9 and other beta testers I know until it is officially released, so if you are a beta tester and can prove it by answering a simple question then feel free to PM me :)

-JS-

3rd September 2003, 19:06

I don't have a copy yet, I was just going to stick them in a text file for when I got it. I'll get them off you when I get a copy!

BTW - I'm a Sunderland supporter too! :)

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 19:19

Originally posted by -JS-
I don't have a copy yet, I was just going to stick them in a text file for when I got it. I'll get them off you when I get a copy!

BTW - I'm a Sunderland supporter too! :)

LOL, takes a brave man to admit that, but it's been good recently especially with the Mags :spit: losing :D

don't worry about getting the info for now as the MadGuy will have a copy of ICHSE available for IC8, which makes it simple to implement the tweaks anyway :)

geffroman

4th September 2003, 01:12

When you consider that cheap DVDs have their greatest problems at the outer edges due to excessive vibrations... and knowing that IC7 or IC8 doesn't use that space... consistently getting 4.1GB aint so bad... Actually it might be a blessing...

royal

4th September 2003, 03:28

Originally posted by MackemX
my latest 2 tests using my own reg tweaks were both just short of 4.37Gb by a few MB's :D. It took about 20-25 minutes to analyse both with the settings I have at the minute and although I could analyse more if I needed, that may not necessarily result in a bigger PDI file as it can also result in a smaller file as I have discovered in the past

Were these movies that produced under-sized results with IC7?