Instantcopy 8 [Archive] - Doom9's Forum

Indo

23rd August 2003, 20:47

messed up the chapter menu - only shows chapters 1-4 on-screen even when you choose other chapters off the menu

Hade the same when I burned from IC's virtual drive to my burner with RNM 4.5 (Did this twice to be sure it wasn't the media).
I could play from virtual drive with Power DVD, no problems.
When i burned the PDI directly with IC8, everything worked fine.

Very strange

Bluto

23rd August 2003, 20:57

@ 2COOL

Region 2

@ Indo
PowerDVD didnt play chapters properly either. Just used DVDShrink in the end. Sorted.

Bluto

SiXXGuNNZ

27th August 2003, 02:50

instant copy 8 works good enough for me with movie only backups. the fast mode is allright, nothing to brag about. it is fast tho, like 30 minutes for a 3 hour movie, while the longer method takes about 90 minutes for a 3 hour movie(Casino)

I would only use cce to re-encode if I could get a dvd to author correctly, still haven't figured that out, chapters stutter whenever I make a dvd with cce, so I will stick with ic8 for movie only backups and dvd decryptor for 1:1 backups.

Lazza

28th August 2003, 13:38

Just ran a test myself with IC8 on fast mode with an NYPD Blue S1 DVD. OK - A big test for sure considering it's size. :D

Compared to the results of both DVD Shrink & DVD2one the IC8 fast mode result was awful and..... not that fast! :p

OK, anybody with any sense is not going to backup a 7-8 GB disc using this method and use either the normal long-route IC8 method or CCE but for me it was interesting to see how it compared against the rest of the "fast boy" pack quality wise. Sadly pulsations & pixilations galore.

balks

28th August 2003, 17:04

I just tried IC8 on CSI disc one which was 7.3GB, and it took 4 hrs !!
The quality was great, but is it really sposed to take that long???

Running it on an Athlon 1.2GHz with 512MB RAM.
(Also tried it on my P4 2.4GHz laptop, and after 30 mins, it still said 450 mins left !! So i cancelled.

You guys mention 90 mins for a movie. What spec machine?

Cheers

Dave25

28th August 2003, 20:56

I tried installing Instant Copy 8 and it messed my burning program Nero 6, it started throwing coasters left , right and centre with 'error in block addresses!'. However that was fixed after uninstalling InstantCopy8! Looks like a confliction between these two softwares.

dave

jfcarbel

28th August 2003, 22:28

balks,
Did you use a separate drive for the destination? This speeds up things greatly.

I rip to one drive and reencode on the other. On a P4 2.4 it takes 1 to 1.5 hours.

balks

29th August 2003, 00:35

jfcarbel,
Aha. I used the same drive (two different partitions). And the drive is very full of crap, so i should probably reformat at some point.
That might have been the problem then. Coz 4 hrs is just ridiculous.

Thanks

JFerguson

29th August 2003, 01:01

Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 01:46

Originally posted by balks
I just tried IC8 on CSI disc one which was 7.3GB, and it took 4 hrs !!
The quality was great, but is it really sposed to take that long???

Running it on an Athlon 1.2GHz with 512MB RAM.
(Also tried it on my P4 2.4GHz laptop, and after 30 mins, it still said 450 mins left !! So i cancelled.

You guys mention 90 mins for a movie. What spec machine?

Cheers

casino is 3 hours, it took 90 minutes on the slow mode

amd 2800+ barton
512 ddr 400
128 geforce 5200 ultra
asus nforce2 chipset
120 gb maxtor 8 mb cache

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 01:47

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

pdi2iso works, but I just load the pdi in dvd decryptor and burn it, no probs for me so far

MackemX

29th August 2003, 01:47

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

there's no real need for PDITOOL now as you can use InstantDrive as the source and this gives you access to the files immediately after processing as it automatically mounts the PDI image, so if you wanna use any burning software or modify a few files you are able too :)

p.s. I didn't realise there were this many Beta testers :p

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 01:52

Originally posted by MackemX
there's no real need for PDITOOL now as you can use InstantDrive as the source and this gives you access to the files immediately after processing as it automatically mounts the PDI image, so if you wanna use any burning software or modify a few files you are able too :)

p.s. I didn't realise there were this many Beta testers :p

yet I have a virtual drive thru alcohol 120%, so I don't really want another, you can create a mds in dvd decryptor and mount the pdi thru the created mds if you wanna

MackemX

29th August 2003, 02:03

Originally posted by SiXXGuNNZ
yet I have a virtual drive thru alcohol 120%, so I don't really want another, you can create a mds in dvd decryptor and mount the pdi thru the created mds if you wanna

good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds

I just wish there was an option to output to VIDEO_TS :)

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 03:33

Originally posted by MackemX
good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds

I just wish there was an option to output to VIDEO_TS :)

I would also, I am not a big fan of these pdi images :)

duartix

29th August 2003, 17:41

good points though not everyone has Alcohol 120% or a virtual drive program. Also the simplicity of choosing the InstantDrive as the destination will be OK for 99.99% of users, so no need even for DVDDecrypter and creating a mds Well that must make me the 0.01% of users for which it doesn't work.
When I installed IC8 and DriveImage it created a virtual drive immediately.
I started DriveImage , selected the PDI file and now it created another virtual drive which has nothing in it.
What am I doing wrong?
By the way, I have removed the virtual drive of the .pdi with DriveImage but there are still two virtual drives.
What's this all about???
[EDIT] I am an idiot!
I guess it's at transcoding time that I have to set the destination to VirtualDrive, right?
[EDIT2] No it doesn't work either.:(

Richk50

29th August 2003, 19:02

Once you install the IC virtual drive, it's on you computer until you uninstall it.

KYUSS

29th August 2003, 21:05

SiXXGuNNZ

29th August 2003, 22:28

Originally posted by KYUSS
how did u find this out m8?

:D :D :D

the alcohol forums

I did however see your post about it here yesterday also, good stuff :)

schlaufer

31st August 2003, 15:58

Originally posted by JFerguson
Has anyone verified if PDITool works with InstantCopy 8?

pdixtract/PDITool still work with IC8. they did not change the file format.

Scarpad

2nd September 2003, 20:44

So is this for sale yet or are you guys all using the DL'd internet verision i.e. warez?

layer3maniac

2nd September 2003, 21:14

We don't use that word around here or ask those types of questions.

Zimmy

2nd September 2003, 22:54

Excuse me if this has been asked but have they fixed the size issue? (a question to all you beta testers out there).

On a personal note, I bought and paid for Instant Copy 7 but if Pinnacle wants to charge me to upgrade to version 8, they will never see another dime of my money again. What, was Version 7 released 2 months ago? Were we all beta testers?

Zimmy

geffroman

3rd September 2003, 01:23

I know most people don't like the size issue with IC7. In my case I have only seen one movie that came back at less than 4GB(most recent Star Trek). Otherwise IC7 has always delivered above 4.15GB which I can live with.

My real problem with the program is that it messes up menus and in some cases it causes premature chapter jumps.

NYPD Blue 2nd Season - causes pixel blocks of incorrect data after end of episode just before returning to menus.

Life of David Gale - After movie plays will not display buttons of menu, just shows video from proper menu and NO BUTTON text. Same menus work properly before movie is played.

Le Femme Nikita 1st Season, Disc 5, Episode 2, Chapter 2 - Shows a green pixel block in upper left corner of screen and jumps to chapter 3 prematurly. You can reverse play up to this area of the data and press play to watch the rest of chapter 2. Something is corrupt in the data and causes a jump to chapter 3 even though chapter 2 is all there.

Dark Angel 1st Season - Forget which disk and episode but same issues as Nikita above.

These isses force me to use SHRINK which does a perfect job on all menus and navigation. But Episodic DVDs need InstantCopy's coding quality as compression is typically 35% to 40%.

Has anyone else seen these problems and does anyone know if IC 8 has addressed them?

Lazza

3rd September 2003, 09:18

Originally posted by Zimmy
Excuse me if this has been asked but have they fixed the size issue?..................

Zimmy

No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! :mad:

Typical .pdi file sizes I've been getting are 4.12 - 4.17 GB. Pathetic huh?

Ah well, something for my buddy TheMadGuy to work on for the next version of ICHSE! :D

duartix

3rd September 2003, 12:45

No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! Even worse. From a "quick" test I made, it always ends up with the same undersize 4.1 GB, whether I set the size for 4.3 GB or oversize it by 400MB. :angry: I could probably me messing up the sizing options though.:confused:
Dohhhh !!!

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 15:03

Originally posted by Lazza
No, sadly it's as bad as it ever was! :mad:

Typical .pdi file sizes I've been getting are 4.12 - 4.17 GB. Pathetic huh?

Ah well, something for my buddy TheMadGuy to work on for the next version of ICHSE! :D

just be brave and dive into the registry and change them yourself like I have until then :)

I'm still busy testing but using a very high analysis setting to see the outcome so I can offer advice for settings to people when it's released

are your results regular?

Lazza

3rd September 2003, 16:17

Yeah they seem to be pretty much always around that size, not had one under 4.11 so far.

Brave...me???

You got the wrong bloke m8! :D

Though I must admit I've never really checked it out so might dust the cobwebs off regedit later. :eek:

leopardone

3rd September 2003, 18:25

mmm... maybe i'm wrong but after few test I can see that:
1. the final size is not accurate as we would like to be
2. if I strip some titles, than I can't burn the new dvd because all the video_ts.ifo's infos are messed up (so I have to manipulate al little bit some value)
3. the quality is always great :)

BUT... I've installed the v.8 over an installed v.7 and I dunno if all the hidden settigs "discovered" with the reg files are being used by v.8

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 19:31

my latest 2 tests using my own reg tweaks were both just short of 4.37Gb by a few MB's :D. It took about 20-25 minutes to analyse both with the settings I have at the minute and although I could analyse more if I needed, that may not necessarily result in a bigger PDI file as it can also result in a smaller file as I have discovered in the past

so really I have no reason to complain about the sizing issue at the minute as it's very accurate for me (even the 2.35:1 has improved greatly)

@Lazza, you doing the complete DVD or movie only?. At least it's consistent and seeing as it has a 2% default safety margin along with other default settings then this may explain the shortfall

@leopardone don't worry about IC7 settings as they don't affect IC8 and I'll pass on the title stripping

-JS-

3rd September 2003, 19:48

Care to share those reg tweaks? I haven't got round to trying IC8 yet, but when I do they'd be useful :)

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 19:57

at the minute I will only share info with the few beta testers from Doom9 and other beta testers I know until it is officially released, so if you are a beta tester and can prove it by answering a simple question then feel free to PM me :)

-JS-

3rd September 2003, 20:06

I don't have a copy yet, I was just going to stick them in a text file for when I got it. I'll get them off you when I get a copy!

BTW - I'm a Sunderland supporter too! :)

MackemX

3rd September 2003, 20:19

Originally posted by -JS-
I don't have a copy yet, I was just going to stick them in a text file for when I got it. I'll get them off you when I get a copy!

BTW - I'm a Sunderland supporter too! :)

LOL, takes a brave man to admit that, but it's been good recently especially with the Mags :spit: losing :D

don't worry about getting the info for now as the MadGuy will have a copy of ICHSE available for IC8, which makes it simple to implement the tweaks anyway :)

geffroman

4th September 2003, 02:12

When you consider that cheap DVDs have their greatest problems at the outer edges due to excessive vibrations... and knowing that IC7 or IC8 doesn't use that space... consistently getting 4.1GB aint so bad... Actually it might be a blessing...

royal

4th September 2003, 04:28

Originally posted by MackemX
my latest 2 tests using my own reg tweaks were both just short of 4.37Gb by a few MB's :D. It took about 20-25 minutes to analyse both with the settings I have at the minute and although I could analyse more if I needed, that may not necessarily result in a bigger PDI file as it can also result in a smaller file as I have discovered in the past

Were these movies that produced under-sized results with IC7?

-JS-

4th September 2003, 12:17

Originally posted by MackemX
LOL, takes a brave man to admit that, but it's been good recently especially with the Mags :spit: losing :D

Heh, yes indeedy and us winning has been a pleasant suprise too :)

don't worry about getting the info for now as the MadGuy will have a copy of ICHSE available for IC8, which makes it simple to implement the tweaks anyway :)

That's good to know, cheers.

MackemX

4th September 2003, 13:21

Originally posted by royal
Were these movies that produced under-sized results with IC7?

I only tried one which would always get around 3.5Gb but when I tried it again it came out at 4.24Gb

that may still seem to be undersizing but I had default settings which has a 2% safety reserve and default analysis

IC only aims to fill 4.32Gb @default so if you take off 2% off that it gives you about 4.23-4.24Gb

if I did it again using modded settings, I guess it would be a lot nearer to 4.37Gb

so like I said, I'm getting some good results :D

duartix

4th September 2003, 16:20

My "solid" (I guess around 250 MB) undersize was with Gladiator but since you say that IC7 settings don't affect IC8 then it's all explained by the 6% default value for DVDSaveQuality parameter which is very accurate with 6% of 4.37 being 256 MB.

Dre

5th September 2003, 02:36

MackemX

Care to comment on if the following things fixed in Instantcopy 8?

[list=1]
Striping Items Caused Problems on Some Players
Undersizing
DVD Output File Would Not Increase In Size No Matter What % You Used
Hidden Settings Did Not Really Do Anything
[/list=1]

MackemX

5th September 2003, 02:41

Originally posted by Dre
MackemX

Care to comment on if the following things fixed in Instantcopy 8?

[list=1]
Striping Items Caused Problems on Some Players
Undersizing
DVD Output File Would Not Increase In Size No Matter What % You Used
Hidden Settings Did Not Really Do Anything
[/list=1]
1. I cannot comment about my standalone as I do not have my fussy Sony anymore (because it was fussy!) and my new one plays anything (even 12" vinyls!) but IC does now accept it's own work so that's a good sign and PowerDVD playback works OK
2. none so far, all around 4.37GB
3. 2.35:1 black bar issue seems to be fixed
4. Hidden Settings do work for IC8 but you need to do it manually but IC7's do not
5. Hidden Bonus - I have found a way that I can crop bits of the movie with a minutes work :) (still undergoing testing to fully understand it)

Dre

5th September 2003, 04:25

Originally posted by MackemX
1. I cannot comment about my standalone as I do not have my fussy Sony anymore (because it was fussy!) and my new one plays anything (even 12" vinyls!) but IC does now accept it's own work so that's a good sign and PowerDVD playback works OK
2. none so far, all around 4.37GB
3. 2.35:1 black bar issue seems to be fixed
4. Hidden Settings do work for IC8 but you need to do it manually but IC7's do not
5. Hidden Bonus - I have found a way that I can crop bits of the movie with a minutes work :) (still undergoing testing to fully understand it)

Thank you for your input.

It kind of sounds like InstantCopy 8 is almost perfect. All the bad stuff from Instantcopy 7 has been fixed. Well, if you ignore the PDI file output. I can't wait for it to be released, I'll definately be upgrading from IC7.

MackemX

5th September 2003, 05:00

Originally posted by Dre
Thank you for your input.

It kind of sounds like InstantCopy 8 is almost perfect. All the bad stuff from Instantcopy 7 has been fixed. Well, if you ignore the PDI file output. I can't wait for it to be released, I'll definately be upgrading from IC7.
a VIDEO_TS output option is to be implemented also in a future update

and even better news I've discovered a way your can author you DVD using IC8 to crop bits you don't want using IFOEdit

it's exactly the same as the crop feature in DVDShrink

IC8 is getting better each day :D

Zimmy

5th September 2003, 22:33

Does Pinnacle need anymore beta testers?
Since I paid them $40US to beta test IC7 so they could fix the problems and re-release IC8, I'm sure I'm gullible enough to do it again!

/rant

;)

Lazza

5th September 2003, 23:17

Originally posted by Zimmy
Does Pinnacle need anymore beta testers?
Since I paid them $40US to beta test IC7 so they could fix the problems and re-release IC8, I'm sure I'm gullible enough to do it again!

/rant

;)

LOL - You make a good point there! :)

Well Mackem's little tweaks definately work for sure, after 3 movies done with them the lowest size .pdi file I've got so far is 4.27GB (Narc - Movie only) I don't know about you guys but with IC 7 when update 3 was released they promised a major speed improvement, many asked where it was when they tried it out and I was one of these. Just did not make a difference for me. :confused:

IC 8 though has been a different bag altogether, I'm sure you will notice the improvement in the speed area. And with the editing hack and the VIDEO_TS folder all in the works and of course ICHSE support for v8 things are looking fantastic for the future of this soft! :cool:

Anijake

7th September 2003, 03:16

Originally posted by MackemX
at the minute I will only share info with the few beta testers from Doom9 and other beta testers I know until it is officially released, so if you are a beta tester and can prove it by answering a simple question then feel free to PM me :)

If you are or know a beta tester why not tell Pinnacle to make these changes to the default registry keys so the program will work correctly out of the box?

The Belgain

9th September 2003, 19:34

When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.

MackemX

9th September 2003, 19:51

Originally posted by The Belgain
When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.
the official release will probably be a different version so I wouldn't worry about the bugs people are reporting and if it does have bugs I'm sure someone will come up with a workaround anyway

the main issue I had with IC7 was the sizing, especially the 2.35:1 undersing but this seems to have improved greatly in the new version and I'm sure the next InstantCopy Hidden Settings Editor will be a great help also

So apart from my slight hiccup regarding Nero, I don't have any issues with IC8 and I'm happy with it. I quite like the fact I can edit the IFO's just a touch to trim bits I don't want as IC is the only program that allows the dirty Ifoedit's and also allows you to replace VOB's of your choice in some cases :D

voo_doo99

9th September 2003, 23:32

Just received my $20 rebate from IC7, yay! [took 4 months]. May be I can use it for IC8 upgrade. Or better, if the upgrade is FREE :D

Is there any major UI improvement with IC8???. How I would wish for a DVDShrink-like interface, so.o.o intuitive with the auto-preview. OR BETTER, may be DVDShrink will advance to the quality even higher than IC, someday I hope I hope, cause its FREE! :D

earloflondon

10th September 2003, 00:21

WOW!!! Maybe there is hope after all! I haven't seen my rebate yet ( also 4 months). You have given me new hope!:D

Tim

The Belgain

10th September 2003, 11:41

So is this version (8.0.0.0251) considered "safe to use"? Ie will it introduce compatibility issues with standalone players, chapter/menu bugs etc?

I've just done a backup of Catch me if you can (which is 1.85:1 widescreen by the way) and the filesize came out at 4.26 GB which is pretty good compared to the encodes I did with IC7 (on different films, but they all came out at less than 4 GB).

MackemX

10th September 2003, 13:51

you never know what will be in the official released version so you can't really comment on compatibility issues just yet and it may also depend on you player's temperament

don't worry either, as there are ways and means around it before and after processing. I have a new theory that may just fix things after that might work but I'll wait for now as I'm playing with other stuff

Scarpad

10th September 2003, 13:55

Still no word on an official Upgrade Proceedure? Or if there will be one?

The Belgain

10th September 2003, 19:14

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm not asking about whether or not there will be any compatibility issues in the final version. I mean are there any known compatibility issues with this one?

Oh, and I've compared the quality of Catch Me if you Can backed up using IC8 vs the DVDShrink 3 version (both using the high quality modes, and both keeping the same extras/sound tracks etc.) and I have to say I find the quality better with DVDShrink. I know this seems to go against popular opinion on the matter, and I guess it's a question of taste to a certain extent. The IC8 version just has much more noticeable macroblocking (especially in areas with a lot of noise/film grain - backgrounds etc.) but maybe keeps a little bit more detail than the DVDShrink version. This is with a compression of 68% on the main movie by the way. It seems that IC8 tries to go too low bitratewise in the scenes it considers "easy" to encode (down to less than 1 Mbps in some scenes) compared to DVDShrink and that is where the quality suffers.

I haven't compared to IC7 though. Do people think IC8 (even though it hasn't been released yet) has better or worse quality than IC7?

Oh, as for speed...IC8 took about 2 hours to do the 140 minute movie plus the menus. DVDShrink took about half the time (both working from an image mounted in Daemon Tools).

MackemX

10th September 2003, 19:56

I did understand you very well

I just tried to point out in a different way that you are asking about the stability of something that is not available yet and may not reflect the final product

I was also thinking that if you were a beta tester with a legitimate copy then you wouldn't be asking a question about the beta version in the first place. I do know some resellers have also said they have copies

I talk it about it freely now as I hold a legitimate copy but now my answers to IC8 questions or my comments are brief as I'd rather wait until the official version comes out before I start ripping IC8 to bits (just kidding :)) and answering people's problems

I have made some guides that work with IC8 but only the one that works with IC7 I uploaded. I do have other tricks 'n' tweaks that I would like to share but I can't because then the holders of the illegal copies may benefit from it 1st before the genuine IC8 users get a copy

So that's why I said it's best just to wait before you make judgement

I suggest you read this post HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59769#post361839) and read Doom9's response and then decide whether you wish to discuss it further

I quote one of your earlier posts also from less than 24 hours ago, which suggests you have just got a copy
Originally posted by The Belgain
When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.

apologies if you do own a legitimate copy which can easily be proved, that's if you would want to prove it, but judging by the amount of people talking about it here and elsewhere, surely all of them can't have legal copies especially judging by some of the questions or comments they post

MackemX

10th September 2003, 20:07

Originally posted by Anijake
If you are or know a beta tester why not tell Pinnacle to make these changes to the default registry keys so the program will work correctly out of the box?
that would take all the fun out of it :D

Pinnacle have always had the safety buffer because of the way IC works

The tweaks I have used reduce these safety margins but then increase the risk of oversizing so in a sense it's best they are left to default to minimize the risk for those not willing to tweak it to the max

the excellent ICHSE program from the MadGuy will do the job with a few clicks which I'm sure will be released within hours of IC8 being released

voo_doo99

10th September 2003, 20:13

@MackemX
Can you tell me if there is significant changes in IC8 user interface, anything like auto-preview, single pane criteria select [rather than tabs] ala DVDShrink?.
Thanks.

MackemX

10th September 2003, 20:29

layout is generally the same as IC7 regarding the title selection screen but it has a few more options due to the extra setting adjusments that have been added

the slider adjusments have also improved as you can now adjust while in automatic mode and always have 4.37Gb, seems like Pinnacle have been reading suggestions as I asked for that ages ago in IC7 :)

the skin has also been changed but I found out that you can change it back to the old one if you ain't too keen on the colour scheme with a simple quick edit ;)

I like IC8 but I liked IC7 whereas some hated it, so I guess some will like IC8 and some won't

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D

lrosado

10th September 2003, 23:22

MackemX,

did you have any problems with the virtual drive from pinnacle, I've read that some people have had problems with it not working have you gottin it work without a problem or did you have to do something to get it to work. and do you know if Pinnacle knows about this problem?

voo_doo99

11th September 2003, 19:31

Originally posted by MackemX

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D

I am missing it, what does this really mean? :confused:. Does it mean IC8 will produce a VIDEO_TS output folder with DVD files in standard format [like intelligent tools], and do away with the cumbersome .pdi packings?. Please, say it is true! :cool:

2COOL

11th September 2003, 19:44

Originally posted by voo_doo99
I am missing it, what does this really mean? :confused:. Does it mean IC8 will produce a VIDEO_TS output folder with DVD files in standard format [like intelligent tools], and do away with the cumbersome .pdi packings?. Please, say it is true! :cool:
@voo_doo99

This post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=366979#post366979), from MackemX, in this thread should clear the smoke.

voo_doo99

11th September 2003, 21:12

Originally posted by 2COOL
@voo_doo99
This post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=366979#post366979), from MackemX, in this thread should clear the smoke.

Thanks @2COOL :cool: :cool:.
I need new glasses and more coffee. Scanned the the thread earlier but no pick up :rolleyes:. So it is true, yay! :cool:. Now, please say it is FREE [upgrade] :D

jfcarbel

12th September 2003, 07:27

I also hope they deliver IC8 with the load F6 saved settings feature fixed. I want to use the batch encoder app they offered.

I hate being at work thinking my computer is sitting there doing nothing for 7 hours after it finishes the first encode I setup before I leave in the morn.

MackemX - I know you were interested in this feature too. Did Pinnacle mention that this might be fixed in the release version of IC8 or is it already fixed?

For those of you unfamilier with the issue - IC will only load the F6 saved settings if you have it default to automatic mode. Which defeats the purpose of saved settings. What I want is to be able to go thru all my DVDs and setup all my compression settings and save them all. Then start a batch utility that loads in a list of F6 settings files from a specified directory and starts trancoding the whole batch one after another. So I can come home and my whole 24 Season 2 is backed up :)

MackemX

12th September 2003, 12:27

Originally posted by lrosado
did you have any problems with the virtual drive from pinnacle, I've read that some people have had problems with it not working have you gottin it work without a problem or did you have to do something to get it to work. and do you know if Pinnacle knows about this problem? no problems with Virtual Drive, in fact I like it as it gives the option of accessing the files immediately without having to use anything else to mount the PDI even if they are Read Only but VIDEO_TS would be so much better to have

I don't know if Pinnacle know about this so called problem but I haven't heard of others having problems with it but then again no-one has the official release yet so why worry about it just now, have faith :)

MackemX

12th September 2003, 13:17

Originally posted by jfcarbel
For those of you unfamilier with the issue - IC will only load the F6 saved settings if you have it default to automatic mode. Which defeats the purpose of saved settings. What I want is to be able to go thru all my DVDs and setup all my compression settings and save them all. Then start a batch utility that loads in a list of F6 settings files from a specified directory and starts trancoding the whole batch one after another. So I can come home and my whole 24 Season 2 is backed up :)

actually, I've never used or ever will use the batch processing tool as it's not for me

and sorry but no comment on the feature ;), again it's best you wait as I don't want to say anything yet but I will when it's released as things may change :)

bravo889

12th September 2003, 16:51

Hi guys,

I got a copy of IC8 the day before yesterday. I thought it was a great software but not after what happened.

I tried to back up my HEAT DVD R2 movies to a DVD-R.

I ripped the movie (DVD Decryptor). Authored it using Ifoedit (Kept only the main movie) and then Transoded it using High quality with IC8.
Till now everyting perfect. I tried it with PowerDVD the quality is great !!!

But now I tried to burn it with IC8 I got an error at the end saying that IC8 can't close the disc session. SHIT!!!. Thats 2.4 Euro thrown to the garbage. I tried to close the session with Nero but no way. although it plays ok on my NEC 1300A but not on any other DVD-ROM or stand alone player.

So I tried to write it on a DVD+RW this time. It manages to close the disc and everything but once I click to see whats on the disc. The disc is EMPTY !!! i.e. I can't see anything on the DISC. what the hell is this now I thought.

So I tried to copy the files from the image created by IC8 using their virtual drive. But it also doesn't work it take like 5 hours to copy 1 BOV file.

So I uninstalled IC8 and continued using Shrink until further notice.

does anyone of you know what the hell went wrong in my system.

I have 2 theories:
1- Maybe conflic with another software probably Nero 6.0.0.15
2- Maybe I am using the wrong ASPI 4.72

Anyhow I appreciatre any comments.

MackemX

12th September 2003, 17:16

Hi welcome to the forums

this is a known issue so don't worry about it as there is a fix

read one of my earlier posts HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=371442#post370449) about IC8 issues though

cheers :)

MackemX

16th September 2003, 17:45

Originally posted by MackemX
the skin has also been changed but I found out that you can change it back to the old one if you ain't too keen on the colour scheme with a simple quick edit ;)

I like IC8 but I liked IC7 whereas some hated it, so I guess some will like IC8 and some won't

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D Typical, I always find the hard way to do something first :D

I asked Pinnacle about the skin feature and if an option to enable/disable could be implemented because if you remove the IC8 skin file, IC8 defaults theme of your Desktop

so you could have IC8 looking as daft as THIS (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/Pics/toon.jpg) :eek: (this is not my normal desktop by the way :p)

I was told the disable/enable option is in the Programs menu :o so there you go, it's already implemented and as easy as that. There is a skin editor demo available at http://www.link-rank.com/feature.htm that works with the .skn file but I'm happy that you can disable the default skin to fit in with the style of my desktop

there's are a few more tips 'n' tweaks for IC8 but it is also still developing as quite a few more features have been implemented or fixed (thanks for listening to us Pinnacle), which I think is great :cool:

If you guys can think of any suggestions, I'll gladly pass them on as Pinnacle may just be able to implement it in the future. I'm all out of ideas at the minute as most of my requests (past and present) are now implemented. Most of the ideas I've seen on this board from other threads along with the other betatesters suggestions have also been implemented so they are listening
:D :D :D

htc10825

16th September 2003, 22:01

The copy of IC8 in web is version 7.5 in the registry.

I tried it on my backup of "End of Days"(RC2), it has 27 totles, the main movie is the last one(#27).

1. If I only choose the movie with menu, I can only get a disc image of 3.9GB, no matter how what you set the %(at 99.5%, the video data is 4.89GB). Though the qulity is good, but I dont want to waste the disk space!

2. the virtual drive works very, very bad. WinDVD 4.11 B36 refused to play, PowerDVD 5.0 works well. But you cannot copy all the files to local hdd, it sucks!

3. the pdi-utility for IC7 dose not work for the new image file. It extract all the small files and the first big vob file, then quitt without reason.

jfcarbel

17th September 2003, 03:27

Here are my ideas and feature suggestions:

Slider on preview pane. To seek quickly thru the video rather then just play button, like DVDShrink.

Ability to preview/play audio streams, so I know which ones are the commentaries I want to keep

Ability to clip off the credits from both movies and episode DVDs even if the credits are part of the episode and appear in the same cell. This would save alot of space on TV episode DVDs were the credits appear after each one!

I like the interface of DVDShrink and alot of people brag about it as well, so it would be nice to see a better interface.

Some that should be very easy to implement:

Regarding F6 saved Profiles:
- ability to save project name description in the saved profiles. Might be an option so when you press F6 it prompts you to enter a description and/or file name

- start and end date/time saved in file. So I know how long encode took.

komanch

17th September 2003, 10:39

Little question:

does F5 (Enable the OK button ignoring all size issues) works in IC8?

___________
update:
ok, it's work fine, no-question :)

dvd_maniac

17th September 2003, 14:04

Slider on preview pane. To seek quickly thru the video rather then just play button, like DVDShrink.
As I do alot of episode DVDs.
Anyway to create more space for video is really the key to success for these programs...The better the quality of the final output, the more the users will brag and the more people will buy.

Scarpad

17th September 2003, 14:28

I recieved an Upgrade email from Pinnicle. $29.95 to upgrade it IC8. A Bit more pricy than I like but I went for it, at least they offered Free shipping.

jfcarbel

17th September 2003, 16:17

MackemX - Now that IC8 is officially released can you talk about all the features that made it into IC8. There site of course does not go into the details (i.e. does it include VIDEO_TS folder output, etc.)

It would greatly be appreciated by those of us excited to see if what we requested got into IC8.

From your last post it sounded like alot of stuff that was requested got into the 8.0 release.

jfcarbel

17th September 2003, 19:47

MackemX - I understand from your post in another thread that technically your beta-tester status does not end just because the release it out. So I understand you probably cannot comment.

So, can other users comment about what they see new in IC8 or maybe we should create another thread called "IC8 Released - discuss features here"

MackemX - is Pinnacle accepting any beta testers for version 9?

MackemX

17th September 2003, 19:47

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - Now that IC8 is officially released can you talk about all the features that made it into IC8. There site of course does not go into the details (i.e. does it include VIDEO_TS folder output, etc.)

It would greatly be appreciated by those of us excited to see if what we requested got into IC8.

From your last post it sounded like alot of stuff that was requested got into the 8.0 release.
regarding what you suggested previously and also asked about I can't really comment as I don't have a final release :( so I don't know what's has and hasn't made it into IC8 Final

I can say I'm happy though :D and no doubt as soon as someone gets a copy they will comment on it :), so who's gonna be first and take the risk?

:EDIT:, looks like Scarapad has jumped straight in, feet first, don't forget to keep us informed if you get it delivered first ;)

jfcarbel

17th September 2003, 19:50

MackemX - welcome to the twlight zone, we both posted at the same time :)

In case your not looking back - Is Pinnacle accepting any more testers for version 9 or can you ask?

MackemX

17th September 2003, 19:51

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - I understand from your post in another thread that technically your beta-tester status does not end just because the release it out. So I understand you probably cannot comment.

So, can other users comment about what they see new in IC8 or maybe we should create another thread called "IC8 Released - discuss features here"

MackemX - is Pinnacle accepting any beta testers for version 9?

of course other users can comment and hopefully I can join in the bashing :D, though at the minute nobody actually has a Final release of IC8 so nothing much can be said but a new thread would be a good idea so that users can post info/questions etc as I'm sure there will be plenty of that going on :D

MackemX

17th September 2003, 20:11

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - welcome to the twlight zone, we both posted at the same time :)

In case your not looking back - Is Pinnacle accepting any more testers for version 9 or can you ask?
don't worry I'm ready every post :)

sorry, I ain't got a clue about testers and anyway they've got me :D, the IC7 Master so do they really need more cooks to spoil the broth? just kidding of course :p

I guess I was just an unoffical beta tester of IC7 as I was forever playing with it and trying to make it work right. I would still have tested IC8 but only later if I wasn't a beta tester now so I'm pleased I was asked so I could give some input into IC8

I suppose the best thing about being a beta tester for IC8 is that I can give direct feedback to Pinnacle regarding issues/ideas instead of having to write 2 page guides on how to fix things or post on the forum like I have previously. This way Pinnacle can do whatever is required before it's publicly released to ensure we are all happy :D

like I've said previously, they have come up with fixes to most of my own issues regarding IC7 and it looks like it's going to be the same with IC8 which is better for all concerned

I can't wait to do some troubleshooting with IC8 :cool:

BRING IT ON

Scarpad

18th September 2003, 06:07

Yeah I did. But I've been pretty Happy with IC7. The latest updates of IC7 along with the registry tweaks have helped and Even thou the sizing problem still persists I can get results pretty close to the mark and the quality has been nothing short of excellent.

When I get the Shipment I'll let everyone know...

geffroman

18th September 2003, 20:44

It appears there is NO UPGRADE product to get me a discount as an IC7 User... Do I have to pay full price again after putting up with IC7...?

Does anyone know different...?

m1482

18th September 2003, 21:54

No !!!

There is an upgrade for owners of IC 7, I just order it...

MackemX

18th September 2003, 22:00

Originally posted by m1482
No !!!

There is an upgrade for owners of IC 7, I just order it... can you give us some details?

MackemX

19th September 2003, 00:30

Originally posted by geffroman
It appears there is NO UPGRADE product to get me a discount as an IC7 User... Do I have to pay full price again after putting up with IC7...?

Does anyone know different...?

here is the link for $29.99 HERE (http://pinnacle.productorder.com/cart/ShopCart.asp?Qty=1&ItemNum=210100338&SRC=PCL2ICFS)

CiViC

21st September 2003, 23:32

i thought i read somewhere that compusa is having (or had) a promotion where you can get instantcopy 8 via a free upgrade...

Enialator

29th September 2003, 02:26

I tried to post in here and ended up posting in the "One click DVD backup solutions" root anyways my post was ment to be seen by ppl who read and write in this part of the forum.

Here is the name of the thread "Chapter/Extras menu error" sorry for the inconvinience.

Scarpad

29th September 2003, 14:10

I received an email that my copy has shipped

geffroman

2nd October 2003, 13:29

After Installing Instantcopy 8 my Nero can't close a disk...

I can still burn pdi files with DVD Decryptor no problem...

Anyone else having this problem...?

Follow_Up

I uninstalled InstantCopy 8... removed all reference to it in Windows Registry and Nero is once again working perfectly.

I then reinstalled InstantCopy 7 and all is well...

I'll sit on IC 8 until someone smarter than me comes up with a solution or Pinnacle fixes the issue.

Problem occured with:
WinXP
Intel P4 2.23GHz
InstantCopy 8
Nero 5.5.10.50

lrosado

2nd October 2003, 15:23

Any reasons why I cant get Instant Drive to work? I mount it it tells me its mounted but when I click on the virtual drive there's nothing there, I have done a backup with the destination to the virtual drive and nothing then tried to mount it manually and still nothing, I have Alcohol 120 installed could this be it? any suggestions?

MackemX

2nd October 2003, 16:11

Originally posted by geffroman
After Installing Instantcopy 8 my Nero can't close a disk...

I can still burn pdi files with DVD Decryptor no problem...

Anyone else having this problem...?

Follow_Up

I uninstalled InstantCopy 8... removed all reference to it in Windows Registry and Nero is once again working perfectly.

I then reinstalled InstantCopy 7 and all is well...

I'll sit on IC 8 until someone smarter than me comes up with a solution or Pinnacle fixes the issue.

Problem occured with:
WinXP
Intel P4 2.23GHz
InstantCopy 8
Nero 5.5.10.50

yes it seems to be an issue but there is a fix as I came across it in Betatesting :(

try this

unistall Nero
reinstall IC8
reinstall Nero

Scarpad

2nd October 2003, 16:14

Any Record Now Max conflicts ? Anyone?

Lazza

2nd October 2003, 16:25

Originally posted by Scarpad
Any Record Now Max conflicts ? Anyone?
Nope, got RNM & IC8 on two systems and not a glitch.

Nero on the other hand I never use. :scared:

geffroman

3rd October 2003, 00:52

Originally posted by MackemX
yes it seems to be an issue but there is a fix as I came across it in Betatesting :(

try this

unistall Nero
reinstall IC8
reinstall Nero

Thanks for letting me know this was a known issue...

I did as you suggested, though I cannot confirm 100% success because this time I DID NOT reinstall the Virtual Drive utility (where I suspect the conflict exists). Nor did I allow 'Pinnacle Check' to CORRECT my drivers on start up.

In truth I don't want a program as flakey as Pinnacle produces to create drives and such on my computer. I feel I just spent another $30 US to get a newer version of InstantCopy solely because IC 7 was NEVER completely finished. Software should work 100% before releasing new releases with new features.

Pinnacle has 2 BETA programs, one before the release comes out... and the rest of us who pay to BETA their products.

My Nero works... My InstantCopy 8 is running and I will have many samples in the days to come to speak to its reliability.

I think we all know that they will be history 2 days after a solid competitor hits the market.

Thanks again MACKEMX for the tip...

filmking

3rd October 2003, 03:12

I just updated to IC V8.
Should I allow 'Pinnacle Check' to CORRECT my drivers on start up?
I haven't allowed it and everything seems to be cool, but on every restart it pops up.

monomer

3rd October 2003, 04:31

I up-dated to IC8 yesterday and I also have Nero installed. Since I use Daemon tools I declined the install of virtual drive. I've had no problems so far. I've used IC8 and let it do the burn... I've also used Shrink, DVD2DVD, and D21 then burned with Nero... no problems here!
Oh and I DID let IC fix my drivers

Richk50

3rd October 2003, 20:34

I let it update my drivers too. No problems with Nero or anything else.

Scarpad

3rd October 2003, 21:29

Has anyone tried to burn a PDI set with version 8 that had been created with version 7?

geffroman

3rd October 2003, 22:48

Originally posted by Scarpad
Has anyone tried to burn a PDI set with version 8 that had been created with version 7?
I am under the impression that burning pdi files with DVD Decryptor is probably the best way to go anyway.

jzaman

4th October 2003, 06:54

In add/remove modify the IC install by unselecting the virtual drive component. Three coasters in a row with Nero 6 and virtual drive enabled. Fixed after the virtual drive (vd?) uninstall.

frank

8th October 2003, 17:22

Pinnacle IC7-8 created pdi files have wrong structure!

Win XP:
When mounting an IC8 pdi file then Daemon Tools 3.4.1 outputs an Address Field error, and doesn't mount.
The developers of Daemon Tools know that problem and have informed Pinnacle month's ago!!! But they didn't fix it.

Pinnacle's Instant Drive doesn't work with XP/XPpro.

IC8: You cannot reduce the size of a big main menu manually. The slider has no influence on it.

There is a better solution: Elby CloneDVD 1.3.9.8. It's fast, generates ISO files and works properly.

MackemX

8th October 2003, 18:48

Originally posted by frank
Pinnacle IC7-8 created pdi files have wrong structure!

Win XP:
When mounting an IC8 pdi file then Daemon Tools 3.4.1 outputs an Address Field error, and doesn't mount.
The developers of Daemon Tools know that problem and have informed Pinnacle month's ago!!! But they didn't fix it.

Pinnacle's Instant Drive doesn't work with XP/XPpro.

IC8: You cannot reduce the size of a big main menu manually. The slider has no influence on it.

There is a better solution: Elby CloneDVD 1.3.9.8. It's fast, generates ISO files and works properly. Can you reduce menu's on CloneDVD?

by the looks of the demo you can't and the reduction is uniform across the DVD which will hit quality on the main movie hard :(

DVDShrink is still the king in this field I think :D

lrosado

8th October 2003, 22:54

Is that true that Pinnacle Instant Drive doesnt work with WinXP/PRO?

nyplayer

8th October 2003, 23:09

lrosado

I use Pinnacle Instant Drive with WINXP/PRO without a problem

lrosado

9th October 2003, 15:50

I cant get it to work for nothing, any suggestions?

Richk50

9th October 2003, 20:30

"Any Record Now Max conflicts ? Anyone?"

No conflicts, never had a coaster using RecordNow Max.

alibegoa

20th October 2003, 19:49

first let me state that in my opinion instant copy gives you the best video quality. I tried instant copy and shrink 3 beta 5 using Apocalypse now redux and lotr two towers and instant copy is better which can be seen easily.

BUT it has a huge problem. Pictures in some movies like lotr two towers and pianist actually occasionaly TWITCHES (stops for a fraction of a second and than moves on). I reencoded lotr II dozens of times. I tried all different settings. Still it twiches every time at the very same place. At the beginning where frodo and sam first catch golum. I tried dvdshrink and it does not twitch. But instant copy quality is better.

Please anybody out there who can solve this problem?????