Data Disc

[Master Yoda]

When burning a dvd movie i set it to UDF No joliet, when burning a data disc to back stuffup i.e. mp3s,setup files, docs etc..., i know i have to do it a UDF but do i need joliet on or off ???

[Wilbert]

UDF No joliet
French? No, idea what you are talking about here ...

[Master Yoda]

Dont wanna sound rude but ... NEVER call me French or refer to me as French again.

When burning a DVD data disc in record now max, when you go edit > recording options.
You get Data Job Options,under dvd file system type you have

UDF
UDF With Joliet

Now for a dvd movie you select UDF, but if its a data disc for use on a pc, that you create to backup your mp3s,setup files docs ..etc..

Do you select UDF or UDF With Joliet.

[maa]

You would need to use ISO for the computer.

[Master Yoda]

Record now has no option for iso when burnig a data dvd.I read that UDF was meant to be used for dvd data disc's, something to do with it being a dvd format.
But i was'nt sure if i would need to use udf with or without joliet.

[maa]

You got me there - I don't know Record Now.

But I imagine (I know imagination is no real replacement for knowledge) that Joilet is an extension of the ISO norm so its probably missleading and should say UDF/ISO whereby in Nero joliet is an option.

BTW the DVDs I burn with Nero in UDF mode don't play on my gear.
The Video mode - UDF/ISO forces a Video_ts folder and works fine.

ISO file mode works perfectly too if I add the Video_ts folder but that may be limited to a small selection of players.

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Master Yoda
Dont wanna sound rude but ... NEVER call me French or refer to me as French again.

ok... then german :)

no seriously, calm down ;) Wilbert was just wondering if joliet was french - which it probably is, or at least was at some point.
somehow this word (whatever it exactly means) got into quite a few burning apps. i've seen it in nero too...
it's also around in the german versions...

anyway, i do think that what maa is pretty much right. that joliet is some kind of format extension that allows more, but is therefore less backwards compatible. so if you need to play your disk on win95/98 i wouldn't use it. if you just have 2k/XP you shouldn't have problems. but - as i indicated already - i'm not really sure about this ;)

steVe

[maa]

This is the way I've understood it :

"joliet" is actually a "secondary volume descripter"

- which means 2 TOCs (Table of Contents)
= One for DOS (8.3 names) and one for the names up to 32 characters.

SO if you have:
UDF thats 1 TOC
ISO standard thats the 2nd TOC
joilet extension thats the 3rd TOC

All TOCs are together but that makes it less likely to work ;)

Recording software varies in its interpretation of these norms.
If you burn a data CD with Nero, ISO + joilet and write long names (LFNs) - you can't open the directories from dos !

The same compilation made with WinOnCD works perfectly
- here the TOC shows the typical ~ sign for the missing letters and allows access to the folders.

I haven't tried WinOnCD for DVDs yet....

[r6d2]

Originally posted by Master Yoda
[B]Dont wanna sound rude but ... NEVER call me French or refer to me as French again.

Come on, Master Yoda, use the force!

He is neither french nor german, he is a citizen of the universe! :D

[Refthoom]

I agree with maa about the different TOC's. But also, AFAIK you need to install a special driver included on the install disc of Nero to be able to read UDF discs. Wouldn't that be the same for DVD's?

[bira]

I need to backup a bunch of files and I don't know which one to use. UDF only? ISO Only? UDF+ISO? UDF+ISO+Joilet? ISO+Joilet?

Anyone?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

For backing up files, it really doesnt matter. The OS will read one of them....that is all you need worry about.

UDF is the standard for DVDs. UDF + ISO are used on movie dvds.
ISO and Joliet are used on CDs - Joliet is Microsofts own creation - if I remember correctly.

There is little point in doing UDF and Joliet. Joliet is only used for long file names and UDF already supports that.

So you use ISO and UDF for backwards compatibility with DOS (the ISO bit) and long filename support (the UDF bit).

[bira]

Thanks a bunch.

That's what I would like to hear!!

[bira]

Well, I tried UDF. For some reason, I got 4 coasters. Burning started and after 1 minute it stopped. I was using winoncd and it reported error "C2RE_WriteTrack"

Then I tried recordnow max. Since it has no UDF only option, I used UDF+ISO. Burning went on flawless.

Now, was that an winoncd problem or what? I could try winoncd again using UDF+ISO, but I would not like wasting US$2.53 (yes, that much for a "cheap" optodisk DVD-R around here).

Anyway, any ideas of what is going on?

[maa]

Shame you tried UDF.
ISO 9660 (8.3)or ISO + Joliet (LFN) is the right format for PC Data.
No one uses UDF.
The error from WinOnCd is probably due to a bad disk.
Are you using Ver 6 ?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

The type of filesystem you use has nothing to do with burning.
The drive is just writing a bunch of sectors, it doesnt care whats in them.
If the program you're burning with cant create the discs properly, then that is its problem. Its nothing to do with the filesystem itself, just that programs implementation of it.

[maa]

Well I just tested burning a pure UDF disc and popped it in another XP computer. Result: It reads perfectly! (WinOnCD Ver6)

[bira]

That's weird. I was using winoncd ver 6.

I don't believe the disc was defective. Actually, I tried two brands.

It starts burning, but it stops. It burns the TOC and just one small file.

Maybe it's a problem with my winoncd installation or winoncd+pionner problem.

Just for the record, winoncd burns cd's fine. Actually, I had the same writing error only once with cd's using a different burner.

[MvB]

first, UDF allows filesizes above 2 Gigs.
Second, UDF is only interesting if you have files this size. In every other case i would prefer ISO+Joilet, for Unix and Linux maybe +rockridge.

[bira]

Just speculating a little.

Can my problems be related to:

- DAO vs TAO mode
- the fact that winoncd shows that my pioneer 105 has no "Automatic write speed calibration" (that was after updating to the latest service pack)
- that although I'm burning a data DVD, winoncd shows CDROM as the data track mode.
- I am using firewire and I turn the enclosure on after computer has booted

Anyway, as I said before, recornow max 4.5 burned my dvd fine.

Burning DVD's has never been so difficult! I thought it was going to be as painless as burning CD's was for me.

Please help!

Originally posted by maa
Well I just tested burning a pure UDF disc and popped it in another XP computer. Result: It reads perfectly! (WinOnCD Ver6)

mma, can you tell me what were your settings? DAO, TAO, finalize section, finalize disc?

[maa]

I just left everything on default ....