Complete removal of VTS / Titlesets. Quick and dirty is doc'd but not recommended?

[JFerguson]

Hey, all.

I've been playing around with backing up a DVD, One Hour Photo (w/ Robin Williams). This DVD's a good candidate for a 2-disc split, with movie on one disc and extras on a second disc.

Six titlesets are present:
. VTS4 contains the main movie
. VTS3, VTS5 contain the bonus features
. all other titlesets have miscellaneous small junk

There is good separation of content among VTS3-5 and all menu content is sitting in titleset 4.

So, I split them...

THE QUICK AND DIRTY WAY
Disc 1: Main movie + menu
. Deleted VTS3*.* and VTS5*.*
Disc 2: Bonus features + menu
. Deleted VTS4*.*, except for .IFO, .BUP, and _0.VOB file (menus)

For both discs, I subsequently:
1. Built ISOs using IMGTool Classic
2. Burned
3. Played fine in PowerDVD, Apex AD-1500, Panasonic RV-31

Now, in doing this, I've hosed the structure of DVD, apparently. In reading around here, this seems bad.

But, this method is alluded to in these two guides:
. VTS removal using IfoEdit (here, on Doom9)
. Copy a DVD with main movie and with Menu (IfoEdit (http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/guides.html))


So, is this bad? Are players becoming more or less finicky about this stuff these days?


Also:
. I didn't modify the menus, so I know if I navigate to stripped content that the player will error on this - I'm fine with this.
. No modifications to Jumps were necessary, as these all used titlesets unaffected by what I stripped

Just curious as to what you guys think. There doesn't seem to be any other fast way to doing this (IfoEdit stripping requires one VOB ID, minimum), unless I'm wrong...

p.s. - The one-click apps didn't like these .ISOs, DVDShrink and IC refused to load them, although I could bring the content in using File mode.

[maa]

Well of all the thousands of methods you picked the worst and also stated how bad it is.
It will work for you if you are the only one holding the remote. So you basically answered your own question.
My experience shows that DVD players are much more sensitive than software players - but as long as you don't press the wrong button....

[2COOL]

Originally posted by JFerguson

THE QUICK AND DIRTY WAY
Disc 1: Main movie + menu
. Deleted VTS3*.* and VTS5*.*
Disc 2: Bonus features + menu
. Deleted VTS4*.*, except for .IFO, .BUP, and _0.VOB file (menus)

You know, I used to do it that way, in your case, I would've kept the IFOs, BUPs, and 0.VOBs for VTS_03 and VTS_05 on Disk 1. Now for each VTS_PGC_* in both VTS_0*_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI, I would use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50245).

As for your Disk 2, I would use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45274).

For burning, I used the non classic ImgTools with Nero's API.

There are a lot of other ways I could do but haven't the time at this moment to write the guides.

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by maa
Well of all the thousands of methods you picked the worst and also stated how bad it is.

Thousands? I guess for the purists, this might be the worst, but damn, it sure was fast for me and it worked. Guess that puts it at the other end of the scale for me.

I was trying to get a feel here for what's so bad about this. If I label a backup, "Movie only", and I or a friend don't have the sense to stay out of the Special Features section while playing it, then I think we deserve to be served up with a "Disc error".

Again, like I said, it's documented in a couple of high-profile areas, and I see people getting referred to IFOEdit's guide still.

Is the concern navigation issues? Or, are there players out there that will parse the structures at startup and balk if a VOB is missing?

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by 2COOL
You know, I used to do it that way, in your case, I would've kept the IFOs, BUPs, and 0.VOBs for VTS_03 and VTS_05 on Disk 1. Now for each VTS_PGC_* in both VTS_0*_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI, I would use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50245).

Hey, 2COOL.

There were no 0.VOBS for titlesets 3 and 5. I didn't include the IFOs or BUPs, because DVDShrink was registering the extras and their sized when I included them, although I could've just excluded them up front and then thrown 'em back in the VIDEO_TS folder when DVDShrink was done.

Yeah, I came across your two guides in reading up on this - you seem to have this all down pretty good.

I don't really have the time to mess with this stuff too much. Were their compatibility issues when you used to do it this way, or are you just into making purer backups these days?

[voo_doo99]

I think the 'hacksaw' approach is not without merit. It backed up and played as intended [narrowly :p]. The plus is when you put the pieces together, you got back your original DVD structure. The minus is you do/dont wanta lend it to your sister, it will drive her crazy :D

[Dimad]

Originally posted by maa
...but as long as you don't press the wrong button....
Originally posted by JFerguson
... If I label a backup, "Movie only", and I or a friend don't have the sense to stay out of the Special Features section while playing it, then I think we deserve to be served up with a "Disc error".

Wow! I have thought that with MenuEdit threads in this very forum I'll never see such statements.