IFOEDIT & VOBEDIT experts please help....

[tpham]

I have this karaoke dvd that has two discs and on each disc there are 28 chapters, half of which are commentry and I do not want to include these on my DVD-R. I have used two programs to rip just the chapters I want (DVD2SVCD and SMARTRIPPER). What I forgot to mention is that, there are (2) angles and (2) audio tracks - the first angle contains the video and words to the songs while the second angle doesn't contain the words (I only want angle 1 - which both ripping programs does) but I want both audio channels (which both programs also does). Onces, I've completed the ripping this is what I get;

DISC 1 DISC2

VTS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_01_2.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB
VTS_01_3.VOB VTS_01_3.VOB
VTS_01_4.VOB VTS_01_4.VOB
VTS_01_5.VOB VTS_01_5.VOB
VTS_01_6.VOB VTS_01_6.VOB
VTS_01_7.VOB VTS_01_7.VOB
VTS_01_8.VOB VTS_01_8.VOB
VTS_01_0.IFO (original) VTS_01_0.IFO (original)

I then followed the instructions to Joining different VOBs (Clips) to one DVD-R ( http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/joinclip.html ) which results in;

VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_01_2.VOB
VTS_01_3.VOB
VTS_01_4.VOB
VTS_01_5.VOB
VTS_01_6.VOB

Then I followed the instructions to Creating complete new IFO files ( http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/createifo.html ) which gives me the VTS_01_0.IFO and VIDEO_TS.IFO. I try to play this on my computer before burning but it doesn't play correctly. During playback, it skips from chapter 1 to 10 I think with only about 2 seconds from each chapters are played. I believe the two *.IFO were not created correctly.

What I also tried to do is instead of creating completely new IFO files I loaded the original VTS_01_0.IFO into IFOEDIT and using the VOB Extras menu to Create new IFOs. I would then choose the options of Strip Streams and Strip VOB-IDs and the generated *.IFO files would play better than the first method. However, the skip to next chapter would not work at all. Sometimes it would skip to three places with one chapter. PLEASE HELP...

[maa]

I think what you've basically done is to destroy the navigation structure.
I would suggest using DVDshrink to get each DVD to the right size.
Rename the second Title Set to vts_02_x.* and use the guides for
two DVDs on one. Either with menu or without.

[tpham]

@maa thanks for your reply...but what I want to do is strip/remove from each disc 14 chapters of commentry.

[maa]

Well surely you can still use shrink ? You need to do it by picture I know.
Re-Author mode and then use the "Start/end" cutter to get the first bit right. Then drag the title in again and do the start / end trimming for that bit and so on - should work ok if I've understood you correctly.
The resulting DVD structure will be fine as long as you havn't overlapped the clips (even one frame will mess it up if overlapped)

On the other hand I never did any K so report your findings.

[tpham]

@maa sounds great...I never stopped to consider it like the way you've mentioned. It sounds very possible in theory and I can't see why it would not work. I'll give it a go tonight...

I've been trying to avoid shrinking it because I would loose more than 50% of the quality. In the end, last night I gave up and started the shrinking using InstantCopy and it is still running 8 hours later.

I love DVDShrink and I'll give it a go tonight according to your suggestion. Thanks again...

[maa]

Don't forget that DVD shrink is a valueable DVD CUTTER - if its not set to compress it doesn't change the quality but re-writes the VOBs which is fantastic....
It would be nice if the cutting were a little more frame accurate but to save runng everything through a NLE app. its a real time saver!

[tpham]

@maa...just tried your suggestion last night...I now recalled why I didn't use DVDShrink in the first place. It is because it will not produce what I want. DVDShrink will only crop/cut from either the start or end of the movie. You cannot cut something from the within the start and end. For example, what I needed to do was remove every odd chapters from my 28 chapter karaoke dvd. This is impossible with DVDShrink because after removing the 1st chapter I can no longer proceed because I want to keep chapters 2 and 28 which are the now new start and end of the dvd. I think I am going to give up...

Also, I followed a lot of guides that how to join *.vob files and then creating the *.ifo using IFOEDIT and VOBEDIT but I cannot get things to work properly. What I can't seem to do is create properly working VTS_01_0.IFO and VIDEO_TS.IFO. Because if I play the VTS_1_01.IFO to VTS_1_N.IFO in POWERDVD individually, they all play perfectly well. It is when I load the VIDEO_TS.IFO into POWERDVD it starts to play but it plays each chapter for about 3 seconds and skips to another chapter - and I don't think it plays all the chapters either. I really don't know what else to do...

[sonontop]

Hello. I've never worked with Karoke discs yet, but I have combined different episodes from different discs to one DVD in a similar way that you are describing. After you "join clips" in Vobedit to merge all of the VOBs, then "create ifos" in IFOedit, choosing "create one PGC only" and "create chapter for each cell", you have playback problems and chapter problems from what I understand.
Well when you join clips in Vobedit it always adds an extra chapter for each episode I try to merge. So if the original disc had 6 chapters and I was combining another 6 chapters, I got 14 total chapters instead of 12. .... Easy fix is to open up the newly created VTS_01_0.IFO in IFOedit, go to VTS_PGCITI ... then VTS_PGC_1 ... scroll down to the PGC Program Map and you will see
Program_1 set to entry cell 1
Program_2 set to entry cell 2
....
Program_20 set to entry cell 20
etc.
These programs are your chapters. So simply set them to the correct cell start point for the begining of each chapter. Again, there are extra chapters created in Vobedit so you need to figure out which chapters need to be adjusted to point to different cells. Play the VTS file inside IFOedit and press the skip chapter button .... take notes on each chapter and what's playing on the screen. Then compare the chapters to the original disc and figure out where the extra chapters were inserted.
Then you should have Program_1 thru Program_12 all pointing to the correct cell# and Program_13 and Program_14 will be set to 0 because we don't want 14 chapters, we want 12.
After correcting the chapters in the VTS_01_0.IFO, open up the Video_TS.IFO file ... go to VMG_PTT_SRPT ... and change the value of "Number of Chapters (PTT)" from 14 to 12. This matches up now with your VTS_01_0.IFO file.
Now when I play these files and I jump chapters, they jump to the correct start points. However if I fast forward the the movie jumps to some crazy spot in the movie. So I reopen the VTS_01_0.IFO file and I restrip the movie ... "strip streams", "correct ifo files", and "correct vob-unit"
My newly stripped IFOs now work perfectly with the correct chapters and fast forwarding options.

[tpham]

@sonontop thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I believe I am not having the problem of these extra chapters being added since there is only 14 chapters mentioned in the VTS_01_0.IFO which is what I expected - I will double check this tonight anyway to be certain. One thing I've noted though is that if I only selected a small number of chapters (3) everything works fine. Any more than 3 chapters and the VTS_01_0.IFO and VIDEO_TS.IFO starts playing up.

Thank you everyone...I think I'll leave it as it is...please don't waste anymore of your time be responding....

[2COOL]

I was going to respond earlier but I was at work and here's my my belated 2 cents.

Rip your files using Smartripper in movie mode. Before you rip, set the settings in Movie tab / File - Splitting to "every chapter" option. This way, your chapters will be ripped into their own VOBs. Angle 1 will be selected by default.

When you are done, delete all files in your folders that aren't VOBs. You should have 28 VOBs according to your chapters. Delete the VOBs you don't need and perform your "join clips" procedure using VOBedit.

Create new IFOs in IFOedit and test.

Let me know if this works for you.

[tpham]

@2COOL...thanks for your response...I'll give this one last go tonight...

By the way, wouldn't it be more efficient/quicker to just rip the 14 chapters that I need instead of all 28? It should still produce the same final result right?

Just thinking about what I've been doing and about your suggestion, my problem is in creating the IFO files. The joining of the VOBs files I believe are correct. What the hell...I'll give it a go anyway...will let you know of the result 2morrow...

[2COOL]

Originally posted by tpham
By the way, wouldn't it be more efficient/quicker to just rip the 14 chapters that I need instead of all 28? It should still produce the same final result right?
Hmmm...you're right as you can selectively rip the chapters in your source input tab of your Angle PGC. I've been using DVD Decryptor for such a long time, its been awhile I dabbled in Smartripper's feature. You can save some time by doing this.

[maa]

Uh - don't get it - if you do as I suggested you should get
Chapter 1
Chapter 28
Chapter 30
Chapter 32
Chapter 48
Chapter 99

or whatever you want.
Its probably too easy.

Just drag the film into the window for each sequence or chapter and cut it to length.
You can even use the mouse wheel for selecting the chapters.

[tpham]

@maa you previously wrote

"Well surely you can still use shrink ? You need to do it by picture I know.
Re-Author mode and then use the "Start/end" cutter to get the first bit right. Then drag the title in again and do the start / end trimming for that bit and so on - should work ok if I've understood you correctly.
The resulting DVD structure will be fine as long as you havn't overlapped the clips (even one frame will mess it up if overlapped)"

Using the "Start/End" function in DVDShrink you cut away what you don't need and leave what you need. I my case, I have 28 chapters (1,2,3,4....28). I can choose to remove chapters 1 and 28 or 1,2 and 28 or 1,2,3 and 28 or 1,2,3,4 and 28 and so on. But, as far as I know you cannot remove chapters 1,3,5,7 etc. using this "Start/End" function - unless I have no idea what I am talking about.

You do understand what I am trying to achieve right? I want to keep ever even chapter. If you believe this can be done than can you please explain in idiot terminology so that I can understand. Your and everyone else's help would be much appreciated....

[maa]

Ok - here we go -

1. Open shrink and load your film.
2. Go into reauthor mode and drag the film into the window.
3. Go into "start/end" and DOUBLE-click on the "Start Frame" chapter window on the right for setting the beginning. Scroll it with the mouse WHEEL untill it shows "2"
4. DOUBLE-click on the "End Frame" Chapter window and again scroll with the mouse untill it shows "2".
5. Click OK to exit the cutting window.

6. Drag the film in to the widow again - yes its in there twice now -repeat from step 3. to 5. above, this time setting Chapter 4.
(If you want 20 chapters, the film will be in the window 20 times :)
Carry on untill you have all the chapters you want.

7. Press "Backup" and choose the destination folder.
DONE.

The output will be a multiple VTS DVD which is not a problem because all is selectable and correctly linked for continuos play.

You could go on to join all the VOBs with the Vobedit trick if you don't like the structure but unless you have a special reason for wanting this its pointless.

The "overlapping" I mentioned above is only problem if you use the slider instead of the mouse wheel because its too inaccurate.

maa

[2COOL]

@maa

IMO, your method seems very time consuming, especially with 14 chapters. It maybe another working method but to be more accurate in getting the chapters, I would just rip each one separately into VOBs using Smartripper. You would have to rip the files anyway right?

Well, I hope tpham finds success soon in any method mentioned.

[maa]

@2cool,

its actually very quick once the film is on the HD.
No editing, re-naming or ifoedit at all...
It may not be that obvious but DVD Shrink is a pretty good "cutter" - thats why I went into such detail.

[tpham]

@maa and @2cool...you guys are legends and thanks for all your help - I've had success last night. I can't believe I so dumb that I couldn't understand the method maa had explained. Although I experimented and used a sort of different method. What I actually did in DVDShrink was instead of selecting the frames and worry about the overlapping as explained by maa. All I did was select the chapters that I wanted - I'd never thought of using DVDShrink this way before. I always used it to remove what I didn't want and not to select what I wanted, hence, I had no idea when maa suggested.

However, the result from this method produced properly working *.vob and *.ifo, but, it was multi-titled (14 titles in all). This was a problem for me because I wanted to skip from one chapter (now being a title) to another and you cannot do this without far manipulation of whatever files, which I had no idea how to. What I did next was to use VOBEDIT and combine the vob files together and then use IFOEDIT to create the ifo files - this worked great.

Thoughts to note : I did exactly this a couple of days ago but I'd used Smartripper to rip the chapters instead of DVDShrink. Why it didn't work I have not idea.

Finally, thanks for all the help guys and I wanted to say I LOVE DVDSHRINK

[voo_doo99]

It was a real good question, and brought discovery of new capability from the SmartRipper and DVDShrink tools [both free, isn't it great or what! :D]. I joined @tpham to thank @maa and @2COOL for patiently explaining the method in details. You both are the top guns.

@tpham, so from either methods you got a set of 14 VOBs which can be joined with VOBedit and then have new IFO files created in IFOedit. The end result is a DVD with 14 chapters supporting chapter navigation, is that correct?. Very cool, definitely something I can use, thanks.

Not to sound greedy, but is there an easy way to slap a chapter menu in front? :p

[tpham]

@voo_doo99 I believe there are various tools out there to do this, since, I haven't used them I can't tell you exactly which one. However, I've quickly tried using Movie Factory that came with my burner. This program will generate a working menu for you, however, since the program imports/converts your generated dvd files to *.mpg first and then recreates the dvd files it is very time consuming. I am not 100% sure whether I used it correctly, but, since it takes so long I will do without the menu function. I will also not use it because (I haven't explored the features yet) it only supports 1 audio channel (whereas I need 2 audio channels - don't know whether it supports more than 1 audio channel which I may not know of).

Getting back to my original problem...I've successfully created a working set of dvd files using the methods explained in this post. However, there seems to be a slight problem with one of the VOBs file - it plays perfectly on the computer however when burnt to disc it doesn't working on my standalone. The error seems to be one of the navigational pack in one of VOBs files. When I try to load it into DVDShrink - DVDShrink kicks off an error something like "nv_pk" error during the analysis phase during loading. You can still burn the dvd but it doesn't work on the standalone. I then tried to burn it using InstantCopy. However, InstantCopy immediated kicks off an error and I cannot continue to even load it. Does anyone have any suggestion....What I am going to try tonight is use VOBEDIT to join the vobs together, use IFOEDIT to create the ifos files and then use IFOEDIT again to strip the streams and strip the vobs and re-generate new vobs and ifo files - if this doesn't work I don't know what else I can do. Does anyone have anything to say against what I am about to do....thank for your response

[maa]

What I am going to try tonight is use VOBEDIT to join the vobs together, use IFOEDIT to create the ifos files and then use IFOEDIT again to strip the streams and strip the vobs and re-generate new vobs and ifo files - if this doesn't work I don't know what else I can do. Well yes and no.

I would repair the broken one first. Use IFOEDIT to strip the streams/correct VOB navigation on the defect VOB and then join.

[voo_doo99]

@tpham
I am not clear whether your DVD didnot play on the standalone at all, or it would play some chapters and then stopped with an error on another chapter?. If its the later, can you tell the chapter with problem?

I know DVDShrink and IC7 are good validators for DVD structure. IC7 is more fussy, not even let me do delete playback of logo, warning,.. with IFO edit. So, if you get a navigation error with DVDShrink something is missing :confused:.

If you plan another build, I would try this sequence:
1)use VOBEDIT to join the vobs together
2)use IFOEDIT to create the ifos files
3)run 'Get VTS Sectors' a coupla times for good measure ;) [this really fixed a lotsa navigation errors. Did you know 'Get VTS Sectors' is a Greek phrase!] :D
4)test with IFOedit player, skipping thru the chapters, ...
5)then feed it to DVDShrink for structure validation

If no error in DVDShrink then good news;
6)if not, use IFOEDIT again to strip the streams and strip the vobs and re-generate new vobs and ifo files. Repeat (3),(4),(5)

Sound like a plan?. Good luck! :cool: Do let us know how it comes out.

[tpham]

Originally posted by maa
Well yes and no.

I would repair the broken one first. Use IFOEDIT to strip the streams/correct VOB navigation on the defect VOB and then join.

@maa as far as IFOEDIT is concern there isn't any problem with the VOB navigation. I only got the error when I try to load the dvd files that I'd created into DVDShrink to make sure that it is fully compliance.

What I said I'd do from my previous message...

What I am going to try tonight is use VOBEDIT to join the vobs together, use IFOEDIT to create the ifos files and then use IFOEDIT again to strip the streams and strip the vobs and re-generate new vobs and ifo files

Works perfectly...I now have a dvd structure that is compliance with both DVDShrink and IC7 and I am able to burn to dvd-r (I am soo happy - NOT). The stupid dvd player that I've being trying to create this dvd for doesn't want to play it - gives my a fricking DISC ERROR. Blxxdy TOSHIBA dvd player...good for nothing and very expensive piece of crap. In the end I will have to give up...there's only one way out for me...to shrink the dvd to fit on a dvd-r and just live with the extra chapters that I do not need.

@voo_doo99 if you follow the procedure from my quote above you should get a dvd structure that can be validated from both DVDShrink and IC7. Note however, I used DVDShrink to do the cutting / selected of the chapters that I wanted. With hindsight however, I can't see why you can't use smartripper. Good luck

[daehkcid]

Danm asians karaoke dvds are complicated. I'm stil having problems ripping Shaolin Soccer correctly.

[tpham]

@daehkcid what exactly is the problem you're having ripping the dvd???