CCE speeds

[Fmazzanti]

Hi people,
I was wondering whether we guys could report here our CCe encoding speed and the machine we use. I n this way people would know better what can one expect from their hardware, and what can one update to get better results.

I have an Athlon 1GHz + 256Mb RAM 133MHz. Encoding speed usually goes around 0.6 and 0.73, depending on the source...

anybody elese with similar results?

[JOJOLINO]

Duron 800@1000 512MB
Speed: 0.72 - 0.81
CCE use many many RAM !

[mrbass]

PIII 450 256MB CCE 0.34
don't think more than 256MB increases speed in 98/2000 but perhaps it does in XP.
regardless this doesn't take into account the various filters, variables of different movies etc. So take this stuff for what it's worth. Just post your average over say 5 or 10 movies perhaps.

[Labersack]

PIII 500 256MB ~0.3
PIII 800 512MB ~0.6
Athlon900 384MB ~0.7

VBR, mostly PAL, no AntiNoiseFilter

[pinkybis]

Athlon900 128MB ~0.6
Athlon900 256MB MaxMinFilesize=500Mb ~0.6(no diference, Why?)

VBR, mostly PAL, Yes AntiNoiseFilter

[badbanker]

Usually around the 0,9 mark.

[jdh9658]

Athlon 1200 @ 1400, 266FSB 512RAM
16:9 ~ 1.08 - 1.1
4:3 ~ 1.2 - 1.3

[kid07]

PIII 700 256MB ~ 0.5
WIN 98SE

[Lisch1]

athlon 1.4 @ 1507Ghz, 512meg ram (133mhz)

1.3

:)

[MrDutchie]

P4 1.5Ghz 512 Mb Rambus

CCE Speed 0.8

[Lisch1]

there you have it... AMD or intel

(i do feel for ya MrDutchie, i used to be pro-intel )

[MixMaker]

Amd Athlon @ 1GHz 512 MB RAM at 100
CCE Speed: 0.76

Holly Sh..!, I'm just about to get a P4 @ 1.5 GHZ. :eek:

[MrDutchie]

I had AMD for 3 weeks, but the CPU burned up twices.
Didn't matter how big my fan was, those CPU's are just getting to hot :(
I am suprised that Intel P4 are having a lower performance.
This really sucks.
UNLESS the speed is not showing correctly!
Cause 90 Minutes movie in CCE took 2 hrs 1st pass and 2nd pass 5 Hrs, so 7 Hours is I think not bad(?)

[DVD2SVCD]

Well, let me say this. P4 does not suck. A friend of mine just bought a P4 1.8 and the speed is quite awesome. Between 1.3 and 1.5 all depending on the source of course. To make this kind of benchmarking you really have to make sure that the source is quite similar. I mean comparing the speed of an Anime (which often needs IVTC) to a normal DVD movie is not right.

[Waqqey]

Speeds between 0.5-0.7

[Lisch1]

hmm.. it doesnt matter what the source is for me.. i consistantly get 1.305 or above... probably system specific

[inspiron2002]

hi...

i have a p3 900mhz laptop. 384 ram.

i have made sure udma is enabled...and i only get speeds of around 0.5 (never any higher)

having a look at some of the speeds people are getting way beyond what i get for specs similar to mine..is there anything that can be done.

[Lisch1]

inf:

i have another system w/ p3 733 and i get about .5 also.

sounds about right.. intel chips have a weaker FPU for crunching numbers..

[sandchar99]

Dell 8100/ P4 1.4GHz/ win2k sr-2/ 512 MB rambus/ 40 GB 7200 rpm ATA 100

CCE 1.3 - 1.4 when doing 4:3
1.0 - 1.1 when doing 16:9

no CCE crashes ever

[Vejitasei]

Tbird 1.2Ghz
512MB PC133
60GB 7200rpm ATA/100 HD

0.915 (low as 0.825, high as 1.117). But looking above I see people with the same CPU and higher speeds. Might be my winME os (don't ask).

[Roveer]

I just put together a P4 1.7ghz system and my first attempt at testing resulted in .5 to .7 which was no better than my PIII 733. It was than that I realized that the source required IVTC which just as advertized slows things down quite a bit. I tested with a different source and found my true numbers to be 1.09 and higher. I'm quite happy with the new figures.

Roveer

[MrDutchie]

Hmmm still got the same speed with Windows ME (0.8 - 0.85)

What OS are you people using?

Win ME, Win 2000, Win XP ?

[Fmazzanti]

Hi again,
well after starting this thread, I see what more than one previously said: comparing figures without specifying the precess done is meaningless, since I see for example that in the Athlon case, I usually get around 0.65 (in average) while other people say Athlon 1.33GHz can give as high as 1.3, which is exactly a factor of 2 higher! Of course this is completely meaningless.
Why don't we try to set up a benchmark test that everybody can
repeat under the same conditions?
I for example usually do 5 pass VBR. I guess this has nothing to do (in speed) with CBR, for example... Am I right?

[marks430]

Using a dual P3 1GHz with 256MB RAM I have been getting about a 0.76.

[mrbass]

a rig of my friends just put together yesterday consists of: XP 1600+ 1.4GHz, 512MB DDR Crucial set to CAS2, 7200RPM 40GB, Shuttle KT266A mobo, and getting CCE RT of 1.37 ...sweet gotta get one soon. My 0.34 is pathetic compared to this.

Edit: forgot to say this is on Windows XP ..doubt it makes a difference compared with Win2000 though.

[beagz]

athlon 1.4, 512mb ram, windows xp

speed = 1.040 (most movies 24fps, 16:9 format)

for those wondering win98/me is 1/2 the speed usually around 0.5 - 0.7 range.

[Mozart]

Weird. My speed is 0.5 with a P3 600 MHz 128Mb Ram. Win98 user.

[Tobi]

Machine is:

AMD 1.4 Ghz @ FSB266, 256MB Ram
Elitegroup K7S5A Board
Win 2k

CCE: 09 - 1.1 all filters on

try to switch to 512 MB RAM

CIAO Tobi

[Mozart]

what do you mean "all filters on"? Avisyth filters? ivtc? cce's filters?

[svcd freak]

This is crazy.....I am encoding mainly PAL movies and am selecting the "seperate fields/select every PAL" deinterlace method.

Why is it that I am only getting a maximum encoding speed of .56x on my PIII 1ghz with Windows 98SE and with 512mb 133 RAM???

Some people here are encoding PAL movies with their pIII 733's and are getting .7x?!?! What is going on? This has been a major dilemma for me since I started using DVD2SVCD. I have always felt that for some reason I am not getting justifyable speeds with my P111 1ghz.


So here are my specs and speeds again:

PIII 1ghz
512 mb PC133 Ram
Windows 98SE
DMA enabled for all drives
PAL
Speed: < .56x

SVCDFREAK

[ForeverDuke]

Originally posted by svcd freak
This is crazy.....I am encoding mainly PAL movies and am selecting the "seperate fields/select every PAL" deinterlace method.

Why is it that I am only getting a maximum encoding speed of .56x on my PIII 1ghz with Windows 98SE and with 512mb 133 RAM???

Some people here are encoding PAL movies with their pIII 733's and are getting .7x?!?! What is going on? This has been a major dilemma for me since I started using DVD2SVCD. I have always felt that for some reason I am not getting justifyable speeds with my P111 1ghz.


So here are my specs and speeds again:

PIII 1ghz
512 mb PC133 Ram
Windows 98SE
DMA enabled for all drives
PAL
Speed: < .56x

SVCDFREAK
If what beagz says is right, you should gain some speed if you change to Win2000/XP :). I'm using Win XP and are getting 0.8+ with my Ahtlon 1.33, 512 Mb RAM.

Cheers - ForeverDuke.

[Tobi]

Originally posted by Mozart
what do you mean "all filters on"? Avisyth filters? ivtc? cce's filters?

I meant: No change at any parameters in the CCE-Dialogue-Window of DVD2SVCD ("zigzag" etc.)

BTW, actually coding on two PC's , the second is an HP Pavilion A749 (German product of HP). Athlon 1.1, 256 MP PC133, but FSB100 (crappy MSI 6340A-Board).
Win2K SR-1, AMD-Patch for WIN2k, VIA4in1-Driver 4.34

CCE-Speed 0.5-0.6

CIAO, Tobi

[Fmazzanti]

Hi,
has anybody else checked what Beagz says, mainly that the same computer with different operating systems leads to significant differences in encoding speed? I use Win98SE and would like to know if moving to W2K or XP would certainly improve the encoding process. I could check it myself, but I'm not very confident in getting drivers, etc... for all the devices I have, and so I'd like to do it ONLY if I know I'll get a real improvement...:D

[Shiwa]

I am using Win XP with a AMD 850 and 512 MB Ram 133 and only got .37 or something... Encoded single pass VBR

I must admitt, that I only encoded one movie so far, but I think this is realy slow for this machine... Don't you think?

Rgds,
Shiwa

[Fmazzanti]

Yes, I agree, that's a little bit too slow. My machine is an AMD K/ 1GHZ with 256Mb RAM and I consistenly get CCe speeds of about .6-0.65... which I think it's also pretty slow! I see people here getting 0.85 and even 1.0-1.2, which far better than what I get. But definitely with this machine, 0.35 is slow...
However we aware of that: I think encoding VBR or CBR or even using multipass changes the encoding speed. I usually do 5 passes VBR. I don't know what would I get with CBR or 1 pass VBR...:confused:

[Shiwa]

I am using Win XP with a AMD 850 and 512 MB Ram 133 and only got .37 or something... Encoded single pass VBR

I must admitt, that I only encoded one movie so far, but I think this is realy slow for this machine... Don't you think?

Rgds,
Shiwa

[Fmazzanti]

Hey, I already understood that the first time! No need to post it twice... just joking :p

[poohy]

amd 1800+ unlocked to 1.63
512 megs of ram
abit kg7 raid
2 wd 100 gig raid 0


2.4 cbr
1.7 with ivtc vbr 3 pass

[mrbass]

sorry for keeping this old thread alive. Anyway I put together a pc for a co-worker today Althon 1700+ and got CCE RT 1.3 for Toy Story 2 16:9 and when encoding the 4:3 source got a whopping 1.6 pretty fast. All with the default values checked using multipass vbr DVD2SVCD 1.0.3 build 5. I'm getting the same setup next week at work except and Althon 1600+. Shhh don't tell my boss what I'll be doing with my new computer everynight before I go home..hehe. Here's a screenshot 13KB. Like to add retail HSF is just fine. Quiet and 41C idle and 45 under load.
http://geocities.com/mrfragger/amd1700.html

[svcdentro]

Atlon 700
384 ram
cce 300-400 sometimes less, why???????

[svcdentro]

Athlon 700
384 ram
win 2k
cce 300-400 sometimes less, why???????

[M1ckey M0use]

Athlon 1.2
Win2000
256 MB
40 gig 7200 rpm fat32
speed 0.8xx for most movies

And indeed, i switched from win98 to win2000 and speeds definitly gone up..
Dunno if it helps to switch to NTFS..

M.

[Fmazzanti]

What are you using in the end? fat32 or NTFS? And in which case does CCE run faster?

[M1ckey M0use]

Sorry, the post wasn't super clear.

I'm using fat32 right now because it's my "temp store" drive and i want to access it from win98 too. Allthough i don't use win98 very often since i know that win2000 is a lot faster.

I'm having a 'nerd' weekend next weekend so i probably convert it to ntfs then. I'll post the results here..

M.

[Stevo77]

CPU: Athlon Thunderbird 1.4
RAM: 256 DDR
Mobo: Abit KG7-Raid
HD: Maxtor 60gig ATA-100
Format: NTFS
OS: Windows XP

Encoding "Driven" as we speak 5 pass VBR at 83% "Speed: 1.123"


:D

[mrbass]

ok I got an RT of 1.62 at my friends who has the exact same setup 512MB 40GB 7200RPm except he has an Althon 1600 rather than a 1700. So I redid the 4:3 source of Toy Story 2 chapter 3. So I said no way this couldn't be 1600 = 1700 speed. So I turned off Motherboard Monitor on the Althon 1700 and got 1.63. Moral of story turn off motherboard monitoring software LOL. I wonder if a XP 1900+ can hit 1.70 or 1.75.

[Dropbear]

Athlon 1.2@1.4
KT7A-RAID
768M SDRAM
2x40G IBM 7200RPM Drives in RAID-0 Array
Windows XP Pro.

Usually get around .77 to .78 towards the end of a 2 hour movie.

Something appears to be rotten in Denmark!

[M1ckey M0use]

Switching to NTFS doesn's speedup the program.

I tested it with a chapter of a movie with Fat32 and NTFS (same disk converted) and i got exactly the same results in CCE. The whole process took 10 minutes on both formats.
So it seems that the Athlon 1.2 is the bottleneck and diskaccess is good enough for both formats.

M.

[Fmazzanti]

@mrbass
so what did you turn down? the software monitoring tool or did you disable system monitoring in the BIOS? If it was the former, then it's ok. Closing as many applications running let's the whole CPU to CCE...

[DDogg]

Mr. Bass, try to flesh out the details a little more if time permits.

[mrbass]

The software monitoring tool "Motherboard Monitor" I disabled that. It gave a speed increase of 0.01 1.62 to 1.63. Later I saw it hit 1.65. The other thing I think that as to why there's such little difference is the CAS timings on the memory. I had my friends 1600 Crucial memory set to CAS 2.0 and the 1700 at 2.5. I'll be able to see if this has really affects it or not in a few days as I'll have an identical 1600 setup at work.

[Q-Panic]

CPU: Athlon XP 1500+ (@ 1333)
MOBO: MSI-K7T266PRO Raid
HD: IBM 7200
RAM: Crucial 512DD-RAM PC266
System: WIN XP PRO

i get about 1.00 for 16:9

i am currently encoding toy story 2 (whole movie, pal) while i am writing this thread (multitasking is possible, but slow...) and i have 0.999 cce speed right now... will get a little higher when i get off the internet...

does anyone know about something about how safe it is to overclock my cpu? how hot can this processor become until it burns to hell...? i currently have a temperature of 53 degree (celcius)... how far could i go? and would it improve anything? and especially: should i better ask those stupid questions on a different board? :p

cheers.
Q-Panic.

[Fmazzanti]

I guess this will sound interesting to some and stupid to some others, dependeing on how well you manage with your BIOS.
I managed to move from 0.64 encoding speed to 0.73 without spending a single buck (I'd rather say peseta but it'll soon turn into euros so who cares). The story was to simply optimize parameters in my BIOS.
Be aware, it's not just setting the Load Optimized Parameters in the BIOS, it's playing a little bit with each parameter by hand.
I'm usually quite lost on what does all theose messy values mean, so I simply went to www.viahardware.com and look in the FAQ of my mobo (Abit K7T), and there I found a nice document telling what you gave to change in order to boost up your computer...
For me this means that what the manufacturers tell 'optimized values' are not so, and that therefore taking a careful look at what you have can help a lot...

[Q-Panic]

sorry but your link doesn't work... since it sounds pretty interesting would it be great if you could check the link and write a new thread...

thankx.
Q-Panic.

[DDogg]

I fixed the link

[DDogg]

On TrueLies, which is a test I use, I got 1.37, but this shows the problem with threads like this. Unless you all use the same source the results don't mean much. Different aspect ratios will yield much different speeds as a 4:3 has many more pixels to encode.

I hope to convince dvd2svcd to add some kind of a benchmark based upon a speed per pixel encoded but I don't know if that is possible.

----------------------------------
8KHA+ @150 system clock
System bus 301.36
1.4 AYHJA 1582.15 MHz
512 Crucial DDR 2100
Antec 350 PSU
3 30 g Maxtor - 1 C and 2 in a stripe config for D

[Q-Panic]

i just wanted to add that i recently encoded shrek (ntsc, 16:9) and got with my setting (see older threat) a cce speed of 1.250! usually i get 1.050 for PAL movies... why the hell is ntsc faster? :confused:
it doesn't bother me much but it's kinda interesting, i thought... ;)

bye.
Q-Panic

and thanks for the fixed link... :)

[dvd2svcd]

Probably because it has 96 lines less to encode when doing NTSC.

[rockman57]

WinME
athlon 750
epox ep-7kxa motherboard
256mb pc133 ram
40gb 7200 ata 100
dvd drive asus 12x max (piece of sh*t if you ask me)

.600 - .700

[markrb]

First encode with new system:
XP 1700 + unlocked to 1800 + speed of 1533
256mb DDR (2nd stick of 256 was bad, will eventually have 512mb)
16:9 NTSC CCE 1.5

Old system P3 750 @ 825
512mb PC133
16:9 NTSC .5-.6

I am very, very happy with the increase.
I plan to up the speed a little more if things remain stable.

Mark

[Dropbear]

I am convinced CCE is memory bound on a SDRAM system. I have had increases in overall time by increasing my memory speeds and decreasing my CPU clock speed.

I was originally running at conservative memory speeds and a 1400Mhz clock. Now I am running at 1330 mhz and fast memory speeds and am enjoying an increase in encoding speed.

You can go and increase your raw CPU speed as much as you like, but sometimes, if you don't tune the bottleneck, you'll just make things worse.

[mevbo]

First encode with new system:
XP 1700 + unlocked to 1800 + speed of 1533
256mb DDR (2nd stick of 256 was bad, will eventually have 512mb)
16:9 NTSC CCE 1.5

Mark,
What is unlocked? It looks like you speed up your processor. How do you do this? I have:
XP 1700 with 512mbram and 80gbhd.
I would like to try this also.
Thanks.

[Fmazzanti]

I think that is really a mess. I've learned from this thread what somebody already said at the beginning, that is, that speeds can not be compared that easily.
For exemple: I've changed my computer for an Athlon XP 1800+ with 512Mb RAM Kingston and an Epox 8KHA+ mobo with the new VIA chipset 266A. Apparently and from what you read on the internet, this machine is among the fastests you can buy right now (well, prior to the 1900+). However, when encoding I only get a speed of around 1.25
I say 'only' because I read here people with less powerful CPU's get higher figures. How can this be possible?
I guess that most of you talk about NTSC movies, while I live in Europe and here we only have PAL ones. ENcoding to NTSC means encoding 480x480 pixels/frame, while encoding to PAL is 480x576. This means that PAL frames contain 1.2 times the amount of pixels found in NTSC frames. In this way, I'd say that encoding one single PAL frame takes 1.2 times longer than encoding one single NTSC frame. SO if I want to compare (more or less) what I get with what you get, I'd have to multiply my CCE speed with this 1.2 factor to get a total of 1.5...
Is that correct? Can anybody tell me if I'm right or wrong?

[compuball]

AMD Athlon 1400
512 DDR RAM
Gigabyte GA-7DXR motherboard
Windows 2000

.627 max

What gives?
:(

[Fmazzanti]

@compoball
I'm afraid that's too slow... My old 1GHz TBird with an Abit KT/ gave me 0.63 which rised to 0.72 once overclocked to 1.15GHz... and I used 133MHz RAm, not DDR.
Have you tried to optimize parameers in your BIOS? That may improve a bit. Also check that your system is not loaded with thousands of progs running in background while encoding.

[compuball]

I made sure that nothing was running in the background, but the bios settings are set at fail-safe because I was having trouble getting the system to run stable. I've since corrected that and when I get home from work, I'll change it and see what it says.

[sorrydaijin]

guys.... I can't imagine what the problem is becuase I have an AthlonXP1600+, 512MB2100CL2 nobrand, and Epox 8KHA+ and I get 1.4 to 1.5 encoding NTSC material.

My bios settings are optimized, but I generally abuse the shit out of my PC while encoding with about 6 other windows running at the time (sometimes this slows me to around 1.35 or so)

maybe I just got lucky, but the ol P3 is gathering dust quickly

[compuball]

Originally posted by compuball
I made sure that nothing was running in the background, but the bios settings are set at fail-safe because I was having trouble getting the system to run stable. I've since corrected that and when I get home from work, I'll change it and see what it says.

Ok, I've tweaked the bios and made sure nothing was running in the background and I'm only up to 0.635 That's only a .08 increase. All my drives are Ultra DMA enabled and everything. My hard drives are defragged with Norton. Anymore suggestions as to what could be the problem with my setup. I'm thinking that I should go back to my old setup with my IWILL KK-266+. I was at 1.05 with that.....

[mrbass]

you sure norton auto-protect isn't enabled?

[compuball]

I've disabled everything relating to norton, including the recycle bin protection as well as the email protection.

[Bob01605]

Epox motherboard, 1.33 gig Athlon XP , 512 meg DDR RAM, Windows XP, 40 gig (7200) Western Digital drive - DMA enabled on all drives ..

CCE running at about 1.24 - 1.26 with 6 X 9 widesceen movies and 1.36 - 1.38 with 4 by 3 movies. Seems like it should run SLOWER with a 4 to 3 movie ( just did the movie Cats and Dogs in 4 to 3 ) because there is more AREA to encode ? But it runs a little faster ? Anyone know why ?

Bob

[rudeboymcc]

i have amd athlon 800mhz with 384 sd-ram. using win xp i only get 0.28 or maybe 3 if i[m lucky. i'm sure in win2000 it went faster. any suggestions?

[Fmazzanti]

@rudeboymcc,
yeah that's too slow.... My old 1GHz Athon gave me something around 0.63 to 0.7. And I'm encodin gPAL,, which is slower than encoding NTSC.
The same I say to everybody: have you checked BIOS optimization? Do you run lots of background processes (if so, disable them)?
And from my experience, moving from win9x8 to winXP doesn't make a real difference. Just go from 0.63 to 0.65, at most....

[rudeboymcc]

what does bios optimization mean?? is it DMA mode?? if it is, i've got the DVD already ripped to the HDD so it's not the cd drives fault.

[gerti67]

Optimization means basically RAM-Timings! Because CCE is very depending on RAM.

For Example with my System i get the following with PAL-Movies:

AMD Duron 700@850, Epox 8KTA2, 256 MB Infineon 133-2, Win2k

CCE Speed: 0.65 in almost any PAL-Movie so far!

But you can only tweak things that your Mobo-BIOS lets you!

So i can use 4-Bank-Interleave, 2-2-2 Timings, Fast-Read-Write-Turnaround and so on. The most important Tweaks you'll find in the Advanced-Settings of your BIOS, but this is Manufacturer-dependant.

Try to encode a short Clip from a DVD (Cinema-Trailer,...) and try various settings in the Advanced Settings, but only one paramter each time and you will perhaps see a difference in encoding speed. Then try your other software that's running on your machine. And if all runs fine then keep those settings and try another little tweak.

It's time-consuming but you only have to do it once.

HTH
gerti67

[daedelus]

ok, ive seen some of the other speeds you guys run at... im encoding on a dual-pIII 1ghz machine with 1 gb RAM pc133, 200gb ATA100 RAID 7200 rpm and my cce is only goin .35 !!! WTF!!!

[Fmazzanti]

@daedelus,
from what people writes here, seems that CCE doesn't really support double processor power, so basically you must be using only one ofyour PIII. Also 1GHz in PIII is clearly less powerful than 1GHz Athlon, so maybe this explains what you get. Next time, buy AMD :D

[konrai]

amd 850, epox mb, 1gigram (pc133), 80gig maxtor, 40 gig western digital, elsa tnt2, .78 - .82 speeds.
dino

[mkronen]

CCE Encoding speeds depend alot on the specific settings.

If you got an interlaced source, than you don't need to make it progressive: this save a lot of time.
Using this setting i'm able to encode 480x576 PAL SVCD > 0.8
Deinterlacing it takes much longer: i get only >0.4

Machine: Duron 900, 512MB 120Mhz SDRAM

[mkronen]

If you've got anamorphic material, don't use the 16:9 option, but 4:3, as 16:9 will need the material to be scaled down.
The only problem i face with this approach is: the CCE logo is put over image material. But if you want to use a 16:9 TV set, use the 4:3 setting( which presaves the anamorphic nature)
this brings me the real boost of about 0.25

[Dropbear]

how exactly do you tell if you have an interlaced source or not ?

[mkronen]

I use flask to show me, if its progressive or interlaced.

[teacafe]

I also use Flaskmpg to play the IFO to show if the movie is interlaced or not. Wondering why most of the HongKong made DVDs(local movies or Hollywood blockbuster) are encoded in interlaced mode.

Windows ME
PIII600E overclocked to 840
256M sdram
16:9 movies with smart-deinterlace and 4 passes
CCE speed is 0.362

[mkronen]

without deinterlacing, and no anamorphic rescaling (use 4:3)

duron 900
512MB
0.8

16:9
0.65

deinterlaced
about 0.5

[simchippy]

Abit Kr7-raid
AMD XP1800+(1533) OC to 1850 mhz 2200+??
512 DDR
Win XP



cce 16:9 vbr 4 pass speed 1.93, 2+ CBR I never do CBR.

cce is processor intensive. Increased FSB vs Multiplier yields faster speed.

Major speed increase when I upgraded from my t-bird 1.4 oc to 1700 to the XP.

Cant wait to try the new dual MP board coming out next month

[thebeak40]

Old thread I know, but my 2 cents.

P3 733/133
windows 98se
default settings for dvd2svcd
60gig 5600 maxtor to hold ripped dvd
20gig 7200 for processing
Currently only 128RAM 256 more on order from dell

Max RT seen .74 with bilinear
Routinely .69 with bilinear, .67 with bicubic.

I shut down all background progs for overnight encodes

I am worried now that I have wasted my money on the RAM because these speeds sound good compared to some. The system is useless for anything else once CCE kicks in. Maybe the extra ram will help with this but from what I have read here, I dont think I am going to go much faster.

[gerti67]

@thebeak40:

The additional RAM should help and if you use the latest version 1.0.6 Build 4 you could use the SimpleResize method instead of bilinear or bicubic to gain some extra speed. Just use the search function of the forum to read about the differences of the resize methods.

Greetings,
gerti67

[eazye]

Using the new 1.0.6 i get speeds over 1.5 even for IVTC. This was not always the case. When I started out I got speeds of 1.1 or less.

System
AMD XP1700, 512 DDR, 7200rpm 40GB HD, MSI 6380 - VIA 266A MotherBoard.

I made no hardware modifications I just fine tuned my memory -CAS set to 2, added pci latency patch, upgrade to latest bios and voila!

Of course the new simpleresize and IVTC plugins helped a bit. So I say, do not give up. I was going to overclock when I was getting 1.1 but now there is no immediate need to.

[jasond]

tried again last night with the goonies dvd.. started off at 1.07 and stayed at .96 for the rest :)


I love that dvd2svcd program
:D

Only change I made was Iadded an extra fan point towards my chip...dropped heat to 35/42 under heavy load (copied from my how cool are you thread)

CCE also speeded up to almost 1.


would cooling effect it that much? cause i used my same movie with crash recovery to resume


pretty good fix for a $5 80mm fan

[Max Meier]

Duron 1.2, 256 MB RAM Win2K SP2.

After installing Build 3 the Speed of CCE went from 0.85 to 1.03

Strange isn't it ? :-)

Nice thing is no more hangs in VBR :-)

[Vespers]

Athlon 1.2
Iwill KK266-R
512 Pc133 Ram
WinXP Pro

CCE speed On Earlier Versions .60

Lastest Version(Along with some of the recomedations read from the board, thanks DDog..and others....Memory Interleave Tweaking, Newest Via PCI Latency Patch, Turning Off Alomost all services before starting)

CCE Speed now at 1.6....woot!....

[gerti67]

@jasond and Max Meier:

Just to be sure you have noticed, the newer versions of dvd2svcd (from 1.0.6 Build 2 on) use the new "SimpleResize" as default (see in "Frameserver" tab) instead of the "BicubicResize" in earlier versions. This new method speeds up encoding by about 20% (with slightly different quality but look at threads about SimpleResize for it), so it is not (just) the "cooling" nor is it "strange". ;)

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

1GHz T-Bird
Win XP
512MB RAM
ECS K7VZA MOBO (VIA chipset)

CCE speed encoding PAL 16:9:
Simple resize 0.88
Bicubic 0.69 (was 0.73 but dropped when I upgraded to latest BIOS)

[gerti67]

Hi ev,

just a question, how satisfied (stability, compability) are you with your mobo as a friend asked me to assemble a PC for him together that's very, very cheap and the "Elitegroup K7VZA 3.0" was the cheapest mobo i could find (at least here in Germany) and i think it is the same as the ECS.

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

Hi gerti67

Mine is an Elitegroup V3.0 also. I'm very happy and would definately recommend it. It's extremely stable and going by other people's speed figures, it seems to keep up with the best of them. The on-board sound isn't great but I don't use it. I've worked it pretty hard so far and it has been great.

Hope this helps you.

[gerti67]

Thanks a lot ev, this definitely helps a lot on my decision.

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

Happy to help.

[Trahald]

duron 950
192 mb pc100 / cas 2

20 gig 5400
via (4 in 1 / memory interleave at 4 / latency patch)


sisoft sandra memory - 305/319 cce 6 min vaf test - .740

although with my winmodem connected but not actively xfering

279/298 same cce test - .699

eek

shoulda payed $20 more for a real modem hehe

with before the 4 in 1 / interleave / and patch got low 200's for sandra

[SteveV]

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU
512mb Samsung PC333 cas 2.5
XP1800+
2x 80 gig maxtor 7200rpm ata133 (raid)
CCE speed around 1.350 with pal movies 16:9 and bicubic 0.75
CCE speed around 1.500 with pal movies 16:9 and simpleresize
CCE speed around 1.800 with ntsc movies 16:9 and bicubic 0.75
CCE speed around 1.950 with ntsc movies 16:9 and simpleresize

[TypeR]

I have a Athlon 850@952 512MB Ram PC-133
40Gb UDMA 100/7200rpms
CCE Speeds between 0,8 - 0,87 although it goes down to 0.77 doing the VAF file in CCE

[poopity poop]

If I'm encoding from a huffYUV avi (which you all shoudl for multiple passes unles you are stupid), would CCE specifially take advantage of a dual processor system? Or would I just be wasting my money?

[HErETiC]

This is my setup:

Abit KT7A
Athlon T-Bird 1.4
768MB pc-133 Micron SDRAM (266FSB)
I use a 20GB ATA66 Maxtor HD

I only do 16:9 NTSC DVDs

I usually get around 1.330

H

[poopity poop]

speed is also relative to other processes going on. We shoudl list huffy avi speeds into CCE to as much consistancy as one can get here

[markrb]

poopity poop let me put it this way. If you are using DVD2SVCD then no it will not take advantage of dual CPU's for the majority of the time.
If you are not using DVD2SVCD you are in the wrong forum and the answer is irrelevant.

Mark

[poopity poop]

ha ha I never use all in one programs, most suck and you can't get the options you want out of them. click on my encoding methods link on the bottom, that's how I encode, except at the uncompressed avi step I just go to CCESP for SVCD's:)
I was just posting in this forum because of the dual processor threads

[Pabster]

My 2.4GHz Northwood Pentium 4 smokes. :D

16:9 NTSC (the vast majority which I work with) hum along anywhere from 1.9 to 2.2. This is with SimpleResize and the SSE2 MPEG2DEC filter.

4:3 averages 1.5, sometimes a bit higher.

[Donabis]

I have a Dell Dimension 4300 1.6GHz P4 / 256 20GB 7200Rpm
on XP Home Ed. i get about 1.160 Avg. CCE encoding

[poopity poop]

I hope speeds listed here are all the same resolution comeing from the same source via the same way, doing the same calculations, compressing to the same bitrate....
Which they are not...so all of this is meaningless.

[markrb]

I have to disagree with this being meaningless. If you take the whole thread and try to make an assumption then yes it would be meaningless. However if you take the time and split the posts along lines then you can actually pull some meaningful data from it.

Also if you have read all the posts then you would see that you point has been brought up before an yet the thread still lives.

I am curious though that if you think DVD2SVCD sucks(as it is an all-in-one solution) as you so stated above why to you continue to post and ask questions in a forum dedicated to it's use?

Mark

[poopity poop]

naw it doens't suck. It uses the same methods I do, but jsut all in one. I just prefer to have mroe control over each and every step. I extract my ac3 using dvd2avi, then convert it to a wav using azid, then to whatever audio format I need, little things like that. DVD2SVCD is fine, I just liek more control is all, I like to know what is going on at every step

[FAMOUS]

hello,

i have got an intel celeron 633@790, 256 mb ram, i get around 0.48 with cce.

[falcor]

tbird 1gig 192 meg sdram usually ~ 0.9x as low as 0.39 gonna get a new mobo, a stack of ddram and an ath 1800 or faster


:D

[anarco]

CPU Ram Rate min Rate max
1.4 AYHJA 1582.15 MHz 512 1,37
AMD 1,4 Ghz 256 0,9 1,1
AMD 850 512 0,37
AMD 850 512 0,37
AMD K/ 1Ghz 256 0,6 0,65
Athlon 1,1 256 0,5 0,6
Athlon 1,33 512 0,8
Athlon 1.2 256 0,8
Athlon 1.2@1.4 768 0,77 0,78
Athlon 1.4@1507 512 1,3
Athlon 1200@1400 512 1,1 1,3
Athlon 1333 512 0,9
Athlon 1500 XP+ 512 0,999 1
Athlon 1700 XP+ 1,3
Athlon 1700 XP+ 512 1,63
Athlon 1800 XP+ 512 1,63 2,4
Athlon 1800 XP+ 512 1,4 2,63
Athlon 1Ghz 256 0,6 0,73
Athlon 1Ghz 512 0,76
Athlon 750 256 0,6 0,7
Athlon 900 384 0,7
Athlon 900 128 0,6
Athlon 900 256 0,6
Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 256 1,123
Athlon XP 1.4 512 1,04
Athlon XP 1600+ 512 1,37
Athlon XP 1700+ 256 1,5
Duron 800@1000 512 0,72 0,81
P3 1 Ghz 512 0,56
P3 1 Ghz Dual 256 0,76
P3 450 256 0,34
P3 500 256 0,3
P3 600 384 0,5 0,7
P3 600 128 0,5
P3 700 256 0,5
P3 750@825 512 0,5 0,6
P3 800 512 0,6
P3 900 Laptop 384 0,5
P4 1.4 512 1 1,3
P4 1.5 512 0,8
Tbird 1.2 Ghz 512 0,825 1,117


These are like the 2/3 of the results posted ... then I got lazy ;-)
my one is currently running at 1,761 on a 4:3 PAL with lower priority... the max ever was about 2,65 on CBR cartoon athlon XP 1800+ / 512 MB

But I think the statistic is kinda pointless anyway, it doesn´t tell more than we already knew... a slower machine takes more time a faster less ;)

[sehh]

2 hour movie encodes in 5.5 hours with
4 CCE passes, and no downsampling. CCE
speed is x1.670.

Asus A7M266-D Dual Athlon
2xAthlonMP 1.2 (oc'ed to 1.3 right now)
Adaptec 29160 64bit PCI Ultra160
IBM Ultrastar 36LZX U160 hd
256mb PC2100 DDR Registered memory

One important thing to mention is that
CCE takes only 63% cpu usage while encoding!

So the full potential of the machine is
never reached.

[piggie_gp]

Here is my system

cpu: celeron 533 fcpga, overclocked to 900mhz
mainboard: soyo 6ba+ running at 112mhz fsb
ram: 1 stick of 256mb pc133 cas timing at 2-2-2

Curretly DVD2svcd 1.08 b1

Always use: simple resize

For progressive film dvd(forced film on)
maximum = 0.91
average = 0.84

For NTSC interlaced dvd requiring ivtc or smart deinterlace
maximum = 0.5
average = 0.45

Will upgrade to either p4 1.6 northwood with ddr ram (hoping I can oc it to at least 2.2ghz)
or
Athlon XP 1800+. Kinda worried about the heat problem for AMD cpu in general.

[student]

Hi everyone,
I had a AMD 800 Classic (slot 1) and it was too slow for CCE. Now I am going to upgrade to AMD 1800 + with DDR. I want to have you suggestions on which M/B to use for it. Which is the best M/B for this purpose. If as everyone says VIA is a trouble then isnt it good to use a AMD 761 chipset board(like Abit KG7 -Raid) OR else. Please have you say.
Thanks in Advance.

[rixkix]

p4 1.6A @ 2.1
Usually between 1.35 - 1.5

Bicubic resize
MSI 645 Ultra
256MB PC2700 (166mhz DDR)

[Patjen]

Athlon 1800XP (not Overclocked)
512 Mb
MSI K7T266Pro2-RU mainboard
2x30Gb IBM Deskstar in RAID configuration

Always PAL encoding, 5pass VBR, bicubic resize

16:9 CCE Speed = 1.57



(Give me AMD over Intel anytime....)

[buba king]

RT 1.6 maxes out @ 1.8 on very clean sources, TS after resize!

spec below..

[priss]

PIII 500 / 512mb RAM = 0.3

[dar1us]

16:9 - 1.359 on AthlonXP 1500+ w/256 meg o' DDR PC2100 ram, other stick of 256 is busted and sent 2 crucial - DAMN YOU... RETURN

-d@r1us

[Sofliberty]

Celeron Tualatin 1,3@1482 / 789 mb SDRAM / via 694x chipset / WinXP pro / IBM HD 80 G @ 7500 rpm

0,71-0,85

No CCE crashes

BTW: Is intels chipset faster?

[FakeSky]

Amd Athlon 1.4ghz, 256 DDR ram, 2x 40gig ATA100

with CCE I get a stedy 1.35-1.4, and unless I run
alot of apps in the background, it never dips under that.

[Bigbucks1959]

Nice, what kind of times you get on a 2 hour movie..4 passes...

Thx,
Phil K.



Originally posted by Pabster
My 2.4GHz Northwood Pentium 4 smokes. :D

16:9 NTSC (the vast majority which I work with) hum along anywhere from 1.9 to 2.2. This is with SimpleResize and the SSE2 MPEG2DEC filter.

4:3 averages 1.5, sometimes a bit higher.

[gaui]

Atlon Tbird 1466 and xp
Scorce ntsc
speed= 1.067
:o

[FFiXx]

Tburd 1.1GHZ 512ram Win2K CCE2.25

1.2-1.4

[wizard327]

Pentium 4; 1.7Ghz;384 SDRAM;Seagate HD 7200RPM;Orig intel MB;CCE speed=0.85(why slow as compared to others?

cheers

[Diable]

Its the SDRAM that killing your speed. If you swap your motherboard for a board that uses either DDRAM or RDRAM you would see your speed jump into the 1.3 to 1.5 range.

[asifanwar]

System:
dual AMD Athlon 1600+
Tyan S2460 mobo
512Mb Crucial RAM
80 Gb ATA100 7200 RPM drive with FAT32
Windows XP Pro
CCE 2.50 with AVIsynth (load d2v file and serve. no resize/filters)

Source:
NTSC
either 4:3 or 16:9 doesnt matter cos I never resize; I set the letterbox flag in the VOB afterwards for 16:9 sources)
creating DVD-Rs with bitrates about 3000-5000

Speed:
1.92x realtime which I am VERY happy with

I then author in SpruceUp and use IfoEdit to set the 16:9 automatic letterbox flag in the main movie IFO. Saves encoding time, and recreates an anamorphic DVD!

[UltimateDBZ]

P4 1.6
512mb DDR pc-2100
40gb hdd
winxp home
cce 2.5

Speed about 0.74

My next comp will be AMD for sure, that alone will increase the speed dramatically ;)

@wizard327: the reason both of ours go so slow is because Intel processors (especially the first wave of P4's, which ours are) pretty much suck. Switching to an AMD Athlon 1600+ in my case would probably almost double the speed, I can only imagine what a 2200+ would do :)

[CrazyPortuguese]

Originally posted by mrbass

PIII 450 256MB CCE 0.34
don't think more than 256MB increases speed in 98/2000 but perhaps it does in XP.
regardless this doesn't take into account the various filters, variables of different movies etc. So take this stuff for what it's worth. Just post your average over say 5 or 10 movies perhaps.


You are absolutly right even in Xp I didnt have a perfomance increase with 512MB when compared to 256, but I must say I had a perfomance increase in most games.

[t1955feb]

Amd 1700xp 512sdram 2x 20 gig hd 100ata
ripping speed 1.145 system Windows xp home
this is slow compared to same or slower Amd's

[Mosaic]

4:3 ratio is in the CCE 1.3 to 1.4 region ....

[Pabster]

Bah, don't waste your time with AMD. They run too hot, use unstable VIA chip sets (which really suck) and simply can't encode as fast as Pentium 4 (Northwood), especially with a little overclocking :)

I just put together a 2.26 @ 2.72 and I'm encoding 3-pass VBR with no filters, 16:9 material, at 2.7X realtime (!). It's absolutely incredible and faster than anything AMD can offer. Plus it is silent and cool running.

[gerti67]

@Pabster:

This thread was only started some time ago, to give some information to people on how their speed is compared to a similar system, so they perhaps could find some culprits in their setup if their machine was outstanding slower.

No Flame Wars! - Or anything like that. Post your speeds if you want to but that's all information that's needed - nothing else.

Thanks,
Gerti

[Pabster]

Thanks, but I wasn't trying to start a flame war. I'm always seeing people wondering how they can get faster encodes and why their rig is only doing X speed. Fact is, P4 is going to yield speedier encoding. I've had enough rigs from both sides to know :)

[Mosaic]

I tested a Dell 1.7Ghz P4 with similar RAm & HDD and I recall something like a 30% improvement with the Athlon 1800 @ 1.53 GHz.

If u gonna overclock....then its harder for ppl to compare their system to yours.
Since issues like CAS2 RAM and North bridge mobo issues come up.

BTW u can get AMD XP systems on a VERY stable NVIDIA Nforce chipset with DOUBLE the potential RAM access rate with the 420 chipset version. PLUS u can have builtin Dolby Digital 6ch and 48Khz recording.

The system i mention b4 as a CCE benchmark is a 415D chipset not the latest 420D chipset with the faster RAM access.....faster than Northwood as well. I suspect I get better bang for the buck on my systems than that P4 u mentioned. My mobo retails for $85.00.

Further to this as i have been doing networked renderfarms for 3D apps since 1994.....It is MORE efficient to have 2 slower PC's doing separate jobs than 1 fast PC queueing jobs.

I submit the following reasons:
A) Unlikely to have BOTH of em crash....so less chance of lost time.

B) While One is encoding the other could be BURNING a DVD ....no matter if u system is 10x as fast as mine it will burn a DVD at the same speed.

C) U can be ripping/stripping/authoring DVD while other PC encodes.

D) I can post on DOOM forum while encoding happily at 1.4x on other system as I am doing now.

:p

[poopity poop]

in about two weeks time I'll have a dual Athlon 1900+ MP system running on the asus a7m266D motherboard, with 512Mb of samsung CL2.5 RAM. I'll be encoding from an uncomrpessed .avi frameserving though avisynth to CCE for stability and speed. When I do I'll post here what speeds I'm getting with all relevant information reguarding encoding. Until then, thanks for all the posts which have helepd me decide what processor/motherboard/intel vs. AMD etc etc to purchase

[Diable]

2.26GHz P4
Abit SD7-533 motherboard(it uses the SiS645 chipset)
256mb of PC2700 DDRAM(Kingmax brand)
40GB 7200rpm WD hard drive

Source: NTSC
16:9 - 1.88(Stigmata DVD was used)
4:3 - 1.47(Liquid Sky DVD was used)

The system was running at stock speed which is 17x133mhz and the memory set to 2x166mhz when I encoded both movies. I used MPEG2AVI2, Simple Resize and no filiters.

I paid $409 for the above parts(not counting the hard drive)and with a little overclocking 2x real time shouldn't be a problem, I am very pleased.

[bLuEScReeN]

Dual AMD Athlon 1900 MP
Tyan Tiger MPX S2466
NTSC 16:9
CCE 2.5
Speed: 1.7-2.0
60-65 CPU utilization

[Bigbucks1959]

U know Speeds are all well and good.
BUTTT I believe we are all looking for a quicker DVD2SVCD conversion.

I found a way to cut my time down to 1/4 the normal time.

I do a high bitrate (2000 bitrate) CBR instead of a 4 pass VBR..
I can do a 2 hour movie into an SVCD in about 3 hours.
Quality is quite awesome compared to the DVD....

Check it out.

Phil K.

[wizard327]

Yes.I agree with Bigbucks.I used CBR set at 2500 bitrate(Max.,Max avg.,Min. avg.),simple resize,192 audio bitrate,no filters(TS).My total encoding time(from rip to convert) for a 100-minute NTSC movie is 3 hours(Pentium 4,1.7Ghz,Orig Pentium MB,60Gb HD,7200rpm,CCE speed at 1.28,WIN98SE,384MB SDRAM.Quality is superb as compared with 4-pass VBR.On the downside,I have 3 CD-R but I don't mind as long as my objective is met--- Top quality DVD-like copy and fast encoding time.

Cheers,

[DDP]

My System: AMD XP1800+, 512 MB DDRAM Nanya, 80 GB Seagate@7200 rpm

CCE 2.5 - max.Speed: ~1.3
Resize-method: Bilinear with perfect resizing in FitCD

With simple resize speed is ~1.450

I always do 3 passes VBR encoding and 192-224 audio. The hole process lasts 6-7 hours for a 2 hour movie

[poopity poop]

when you say... 3 passes, do you type in the number 3 in passes? Because that is really 4 passes.
When you type in the number of "passes" you want want, this number is the number of passes AFTER making the FIRST vaf file, fyi. So if you want 3 passes you should set the number to 2. IF you REALLY want 4 total passes (which is the max I should think that anyone would want) then you should put in 3.
I somewhat agree with bigbucks on the CBR issue. If you can get the bitrate up to 2000CBR or thereabouts your movie will come out very well. But there is another very quick option you guys may want to consider.
Forget DVD2SVCD. Learn each of the individual programs that it uses. Then you can make an uncompressed huffyuv .avi of the movie(resized, filters, whatever), then simply put THAT into CCE, and do a REAL 2 pass (in other words put "1" in for passes). Then the high motion scenes will get more and the low motion scenes will get less, and you'll get speeds like 3-4 where once you were getting 1.5. Just a suggestion.

[manono]

Hi poop-

Then what kinds of speeds will you get when making the original Huffy .avi with, say, the same system as the previous poster getting 1.45? And how much space do you need on the hard drive for a 2 hour movie?

And I'm not sure it's a good idea to say "Forget DVD2SVCD" in a DVD2SVCD Forum. The program has helped a lot of people (myself included) make very good SVCDs very easily.

[poopity poop]

well no of course don't forget dvd2SVCD its a great program. BUt unfortunatly I have yet to test what I said because my computer is down. When I finish building my new computer (dual 1900+) I'll encode from a huffyuv avi and post the speed I get here. When I encoded from a huffyuv avi on my 866 P3 I recieved around ~.75 as a speed, so I estimate encoding on my new computer I'll get at least 3.00, which would be great.
The only reason it will be fast is beacause resizing and filters are all ready completed.
Anway...my new computer will be totally put together by the end of next next weekend Mon 29th. I'll post that monday night.
New system:

Windows XP (going to switch to win2000 pro for testing)
asus A7M266-D
512mb samsing cl2.5 ECC REG RAM
(2) x athlon 1900+
frame serving from: RAID 1 (2) x 60GB IBM GX75 deskstar's
and other crap that doesn't concern encoding....

[Mosaic]

I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.

[KeithXP]

My system:

AMD Athlon K7 1.4 Ghz
ASUS A7V333 KT333-chipset
512MB PC2100 DDR
2 - 60 GB Western Digital 7200 RPM hard drives
Windows XP Pro

CCE Speed: 1.1-1.3

I'd like to know if anyone has a Pentium 4 Northwood 1.6 or so overclocked to 2.5. This is said to be very easy and stable for the Northwood. What kind of encoding can you get from that? I am tempted to get that if I can get in the 2x range.

KeithXP

[Bigbucks1959]

Point well taken.
But even VBR 4 pass only does a Max bitrate of like 2530 (default) unless you manually change it.
Where would 4000 bitrate put your 2 hour movie size at?
4 cds or so..??

No biggie, just curious on best quality. And which bitrate is too high and a waste of time.

PK

Originally posted by Mosaic
I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.

[Bigbucks1959]

Oh yeh , 1 more thing.
I have a dvd burner.
Let's say I find I cannot do a 1:1 copy..multi layered dvds....

But I want a very high bitrate for my own svcd collection..
4000-5000 bitrate or something high like that.

How can I tell DVD2svcd to make me files that large (4.7 gb maximum) for burning to DVDR?
Or can I do it ?

Thx,
Phil .


Originally posted by Mosaic
I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.

[poopity poop]

What we and I am saying is that if you do:

VBR encoding
avg 1700
350-4500
Like... 2-3 passes, this will produce a very high quality video and will give enough bits to those very demanding scenes mantions(danceing crowd, etc) and not pad the low motion scenes with unessesary bits. When we said like 400Kbps.. we were talking about VBR not CBR. Setting the max to 4000 will create good looking high motion scenes, we were not saying 4000Kbps CBQ which would result in a 5 CD + movie he he

[Bigbucks1959]

Cool THx.

But is there a way I could tell dvd2svcd to make those 5 cd bin/cue files into 1 large bin/cue for dvdr burning?

Thx,
Phil K.


Originally posted by poopity poop
What we and I am saying is that if you do:

VBR encoding
avg 1700
350-4500
Like... 2-3 passes, this will produce a very high quality video and will give enough bits to those very demanding scenes mantions(danceing crowd, etc) and not pad the low motion scenes with unessesary bits. When we said like 400Kbps.. we were talking about VBR not CBR. Setting the max to 4000 will create good looking high motion scenes, we were not saying 4000Kbps CBQ which would result in a 5 CD + movie he he

[poopity poop]

well perhaps I should not be posting in a DVD2SVCD forum seeing as how I've never actually used DVD2SVCD. But if I were making an actual DVD-R I would say just tell it a higher average bitrate(~4000 perhaps), and set min to 500 and max to 9500.

[Bigbucks1959]

Question about those high bitrates.

Won't most dvd players choke at those bitrates (3500 or higher)..I though the standard was 2700 or so?

I just made a cbr sample of fast and furious at 4000 bitrate and it kinda choked on it..awesome video quality..looked like the dvd.

Thx,
Phil K.


Originally posted by poopity poop
What we and I am saying is that if you do:

VBR encoding
avg 1700
350-4500
Like... 2-3 passes, this will produce a very high quality video and will give enough bits to those very demanding scenes mantions(danceing crowd, etc) and not pad the low motion scenes with unessesary bits. When we said like 400Kbps.. we were talking about VBR not CBR. Setting the max to 4000 will create good looking high motion scenes, we were not saying 4000Kbps CBQ which would result in a 5 CD + movie he he

[Bigbucks1959]

YES,
gotta love those cbrs at 2500 bitrate..I have started making all of my svcds at that bitrate and cbr mode. Who really cares about an extra cd or two if the SVCD video quality is dvd quality.

I can do a 2 hour movie in 3 1/2 hours VS VBR 4 pass at 12 hours.

:>))

Now testing how high I can go on the bitrate b4 my Samsung DVD Player chokes.

Phil K.


Originally posted by wizard327
Yes.I agree with Bigbucks.I used CBR set at 2500 bitrate(Max.,Max avg.,Min. avg.),simple resize,192 audio bitrate,no filters(TS).My total encoding time(from rip to convert) for a 100-minute NTSC movie is 3 hours(Pentium 4,1.7Ghz,Orig Pentium MB,60Gb HD,7200rpm,CCE speed at 1.28,WIN98SE,384MB SDRAM.Quality is superb as compared with 4-pass VBR.On the downside,I have 3 CD-R but I don't mind as long as my objective is met--- Top quality DVD-like copy and fast encoding time.

Cheers,

[poopity poop]

why not just do a 2-pass(1pass in vbr mode in CCE) and set it from 350-3000 and set the average bitrate what you want. This way Bits aren't wasted, and high motion scenes get more bits. Its only twice the time, but if you set it when you go to bed, what does it matter if it gets done at 4:00AM or 7:00AM, you know what I mean?

[chainsaw135]

myself i dont care about the time, i'm all for quality and less amount of disks. Reason for me is i wanna make a backup copy of my dvd's as cheap as possible with the best quality. My settings so far yield me the best quailty for the buck:). Now i'm always open for new settings but as of now i'll stick with my vbr 5 pass over cbr anyday.

[vortex72]

Self Built system:

CCE 2.5 speed 1.9

Antec SOHO server case 430w PS
Soyo Dragon Lite kt333 chipset
AMD 2000+ at 138fsb (1.73ghz)
512mb Micron pc2100 DDR at 138ddr
Geforce4 ti4200 275/550

I think all these quoted speeds are pretty meaningless since a several settings in CCE can make HUGE speed differences. I just built this system and am seeing a nice jump in speeds from my p3-933. If I do simple resize, VBR 3pass, image quality 25, 16:9(borders added encoded as 4:3) I get a 1.95 speed. I did Harts War at these settings from start to finish(vob's to bin/cues) in 5hours 45minutes last night(VERY NICE!) But, if i add things like noise filter and bicubic resize, my speed can drop down to 1. So its very dependent on your settings. I think bicubic, sharpening, and noise filters all improve the picture quality but they make a big perf hit. Personally, on a big tv from 6feet away most movies look good to me without all the added filters. I prefer the boost in speed. Out of all the extra filters u can use, i think bicubic and noise filter are the best, but like i said, on a tv, its a minimal improvement.

cheers

[Acreff]

P4 1.8 O/C @ 2.21
QDI Platinix 2D
512mb DDR
60gb hdd
30gb hdd
win2k pro

cce 2.5

Speed about 1.45

[vortexer]

DUAL P-III 1GHz (only ONE processor installed)
512 MB RAM
Windows XP

CCE 2.64SP standalone (with noisefilter): 0.5
CCE 2.64SP standalone (without noisefilter): 0.6

and if I change the priority settings in the taskmanager to real-time:
CCE 2.64SP standalone (without noisefilter): 0.7

(source video: 720x576 PAL, INTERLACED, 25fps)
(encoded with VBR 6000,2000,9000 3-passes)

[SVCD4Me]

Encoding widescreen DVD, encoded as 4:3 borders added, simple resize, 600 min 2230 avg 2530 max VBR passes = 3

CCE Speed = 1.4

~1.5 hour movie takes ~4.75 hours start(rip) to finish(muxed files).

[badbert]

2xAMD MP1600s
1gb DDR
2x80gb (8mb) Striped


CCE 2.5 =2.340

this is with all filters off, simple resize. Using DVD2SVCD 1.09b3 default settings.

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 2.340
Video Encoding finished.

[poopity poop]

If anyone cares about this anymore....
dual AMD 1900+ MP's 512MB RAM


CCE speed averages 1.9. simple resize...adding some borders on the sides.

not sure how dual 1600+'s beat me, please tell me... its strange why I've never been able to break 2.00, a couple pages back there is a bi summary where an 1800+ said he achieved 2.63. Is this from an .avi.. because even encoding from an .avi its still not that much faster

[jmmerlin]

Preface: I'm a clueless n00b

At the risk of identifying myself as coming up the big-loser with respect to encoding speeds, here goes:

I have a Dell C800 Laptop - Win2000 - PIII 800MHz w/ 512MB RAM.

I'm trying to encode an AVI source movie using DVD2SVCD. I began by trying TMPG with 2-pass VBR. Soon after the video encoding began, I was unhappily informed that it expected a whopping 160+ hours to complete the process. Surely something wrong I thought. So, I installed and am trying a demo version of CCE 2.62 (I know, not THE fastest version) with 4-pass VBR. I'm getting a speed of 0.074!!

This stinks big time. Here's some of my script/log info:

--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/7/2002 5:41:51 PM
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.0.9 build 3
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
Initializing finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/7/2002 5:45:15 PM
- Free on drive C: 9225.77 mb
- Crash Recovery
- Restarting from: Video encoding
--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/7/2002 5:45:43 PM
- Free on drive C: 9225.59 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Frameserver.
Closing program

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 2493445164
AudioSectors: 215141976
VideoPAPO: 35292132
ScanOffsetBytes: 217858
SeqAligningBytes: 13846061
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1200.00
PureMPEGStream: 2228947125.60
Seconds: 7581.07
CalcMPEGStream: 2228947125.60
Frames: 181548
CDSize: 800.00
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 181548
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2230
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
AVISource("C:\FIFTHE~1\_DIVX_~1.AVI")
ConvertToYUY2()
BicubicResize(480,480,0,0.6)
----AVS End----


DVD2SVCD.INI:
[Executables]
PVA Executable=
vStrip Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\vStrip\vStrip.exe
DVD2AVI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe
BeSweet Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweetv1.4RC8\BeSweet.exe
MadPlay Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe
MPEG51 Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG5.1\pub_enc.exe
CCE Executable=C:\RIP\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctspt.exe
VFAPI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VFAPI\Reader\VFAPIConv-EN.exe
TMPGEnc Executable=C:\RIP\TMPGEnc Plus-2.57.41.146\TMPGEnc.exe
Pulldown Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe
SubMux Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe
bbMPEG Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe
I-Author Executable=
VCDImager Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDImager.exe
VCDXBuild Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe
CDMage Executable=
RunPerCDImage Executable=
RunFinal Executable=
MPG2Dec DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll
InverseTelecine DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Donald Graft\decomb.dll
Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll
SimpleResize DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\SimpleResize\SimpleResize.dll
Title Picture=C:\FifthElement\FifthElementTitle.jpg
Change CD Picture=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
[Folders]
PVA Folder=C:\FifthElement\
DVD2AVI Folder=C:\FifthElement\
vStrip Folder=C:\FifthElement\
Audio Folder=C:\FifthElement\
CCE Folder=C:\FifthElement\
TMPGEnc Folder=C:\FifthElement\
Pulldown Folder=C:\FifthElement\
bbMPEG Folder=C:\FifthElement\
I-Author Folder=C:\FifthElement\
Subpictures Folder=C:\FifthElement\Subs
[Settings]
XPos=94
YPos=509
FirstRun=0
Resize AVS Position=1
TemporalSmoother AVS Position=2
Sharpen AVS Position=3
UsePVA2SVCD=0
UseDVD2SVCD=0
UseAVI2SVCD=1
UseMPEG1=0
UseMPEG2=1
Convert to Canopus codec=0
Convert to Divx4=0
Use Frameselection=0
New Default Folder=0
DVD2SVCD Level=1
UseDVDRip=0
UsevStrip=0
UseInternalRip=1
Eject DVD=0
iDCT=0
DVD2AVI Pause=0
Luminance Gain=0
Luminance Offset=0
Audio1Downsampling=0
Audio2Downsampling=1
Audio1BitRate=10
Audio2BitRate=7
tooLame Mode=0
Autodetect Azid Gain=1
Folder Structure Source=
Folder Structure Video=
Folder Structure Audio=
Folder Structure Muxed=
Folder Structure Subs=Subs
Intra=8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,16,16,22,24,27,29,34,37,19,22,26,27,29,34,34,38,22,22,26,27,29,34,37,40,22,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,26,27,29,32,35,40,48,58,26,27,29,34,38,46,56,69,27,29,35,38,46,56,69,83
NonIntra=16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,21,22,23,24,26,27,28,30,22,23,24,26,27,28,30,31,23,24,25,27,28,30,31,33
Matrice Preset=
Use deafult Matrice=1
LFEDownmixLR6Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE6Ch=0
CenterDownmix6Ch=0
SurroundDownmix6Ch=0
DynamicCompression6Ch=1
StereoDownmixType6Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering6Ch=0
DialogNorm6Ch=0
LFEDownmixLR2Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE2Ch=0
CenterDownmix2Ch=-1
SurroundDownmix2Ch=-1
DynamicCompression2Ch=1
StereoDownmixType2Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering2Ch=0
DialogNorm2Ch=0
No Audio Conversion=0
TemporalSmoother Strength=2
TemporalSmoother Radius=1
Use TemporalSmoother=0
Use Sharpen=0
Sharpen Value=0.00
ResizeMethod=0
Avisynth Bicubic b Value=0
Avisynth Bicubic c Value=0.6
Flip Vertival=0
Add ResampleAudio=1
Resize To=0
Use CCE=1
Use TMPGEnc=0
CCE Safe Mode=1
NoOfpasses=4
CCE Image Quality=17
CCE Anti noise value=2
CCE Anti noise=0
CBR=0
One Pass VBR=0
Multi Pass VBR=1
CCE Field Order=2
Progressive=1
Auto Intra DC=0
DVD Compliant=0
Restrict auto I frame insertion=0
Close all GOPs=0
Intra DC=2
M GOP=3
MN GOP=5
SEQ Header=1
Constrained Parameter Set=1
TMPGEnc Rate Control Mode=1
TMPGEnc Motion search precision=3
TMPGEnc Field Order=2
Frames pr spread=50
Spread=40
OffsetFixed CQ Value=80
Use fixed CQ Value=0
DC component precision=2
Output YUV data as Basic YCbCr not CCIR601=0
Use floating point DCT=1
No motion search for still picture part by half pixel=1
Soften block noise=0
Soften Intra=35
Soften NonIntra=35
TMPGEnc GOP I Pictures=1
TMPGEnc GOP P Pictures=4
TMPGEnc GOP B Pictures=3
TMPGEnc SEQ Headers=1
TMPGEnc Max frames in GOP=0
TMPGEnc Close GOPs=0
TMPGEnc Detect Scene Change=1
Enabled Padding=0
Dont Delete Files=1
Create VAF=1
QFactor=5
Linear quantizer scale=1
Zigzag scanning order=1
Use2Streams=0
Pri1Audio1=28
Pri1Audio2=-1
Pri2Audio1=-1
Pri2Audio2=-1
Sub1=-1
Sub2=-1
Sub3=-1
Sub4=-1
Sub5=-1
Sub6=-1
Sub7=-1
Sub8=-1
Azid Gain Offset=6
SubOutputPalette0=clBlack
SubBlendPalette0=0
SubOutputPalette1=clWhite
SubBlendPalette1=15
SubOutputPalette2=$001E1E1E
SubBlendPalette2=15
SubOutputPalette3=clGray
SubBlendPalette3=15
Rip subtitles=0
Min. Delay. Between Subtitles=100
Resize Subtitles=100
SVCD subtitles=1
CVD subtitles=0
Permanent subtitles=0
PAL Y-Pos=-1
NTSC Y-Pos=0
bbMPEG MPEG1=0
bbMPEG VCD=0
bbMPEG MPEG2=0
bbMPEG SVCD=1
bbMPEG DVD=0
bbMPEG VBR=1
bbMPEG Pad VCD=0
bbMPEG Write PEC=1
bbMPEG Add Scan Offsets=1
bbMPEG Align Sequence Headers=1
bbMPEG Use Private Stream 2=0
bbMPEG Computed Bitrate=1
bbMPEG TimeStamps=0
bbMPEG Pulldown=2
bbMPEG MuxRate=0
bbMPEG Pack Size=2324
bbMPEG Packets Pack=1
bbMPEG Video Buffer=230
bbMPEG Audio 1 Buffer=4
bbMPEG Audio 2 Buffer=4
bbMPEG videoDelay Adjustment=180
bbMPEG audioDelay Adjustment=180
bbMPEG audio1Delay Adjustment=180
Use MPEGAV=0
MinsHigh1=50
MinsHigh2=76
MinsHigh3=100
MinsHigh4=125
MinsHigh5=163
NumCd1=1
NumCd2=1
NumCd3=2
NumCd4=2
NumCd5=3
NumCd6=3
CDSize 1=800
CDSize 2=800
CDSize 3=800
CDSize 4=800
CDSize 5=800
CDSize 6=800
MaxBitrate=2530
MinBitrate=300
MaxAvg=2230
MinAvg=1600
Adjust Audio Bitrate=1
Use Min. Avg.=0
Force Film=0
Movie Offset=2
CDOverlap=2
UseCDOverlap=1
FixedChapters=1
DVDChapters=0
PBCType=0
Data Preparer=dvd2svcd
Use I-Author=0
Use VCDImager=0
No images=0
Use VCDXBuild=1
Length of Chapters=60
Use TitlePicture=1
Use ChangeCD Picture=1
Use ChangeCD Picture on All=1
Use EntrySVD=0
Save XML=1
Save Movie Info=1
ProcessPriority=1
SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Treshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=1
Edit Avisynth Script file=0
Use CDMage=0
RunPerCDImage=0
RunPerCDImage Params=
RunFinal=0
RunFinal Params=
Automatic Shutdown=0

DVD2SVCD PROJECT FILE.D2S:
[General]
Version=AVI2SVCD ver. 1.0.9 build 3
[Filenames]
DVDAudioFileName0=C:\FifthElement\Extracted_audio_1.mpa
MP2FileName0=C:\FifthElement\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
DVDAudioFileName1=C:\FifthElement\Extracted_audio_2
MP2FileName1=C:\FifthElement\Encoded_audio_2.mp2
IFOFilename=
MPVFileName=C:\FifthElement\Encoded_Video_TMPGEnc_NTSC.mpv
FinalMPVName=C:\FifthElement\Encoded_Video_TMPGEnc_NTSC.mpv
TitlePictureFileName=C:\FifthElement\TitlePicture.bmp
ChangeCDPictureFileName=C:\FifthElement\ChangeCDPicture.bmp
TargetFolder=\
FinalbbMPEGFileName=C:\FifthElement\bbMPEG_Muxed_File
DVD2SVCD INI File=C:\FifthElement\DVD2SVCD.INI
[Settings]
Project Position=30
ForceFilm=0
FileSource=2
PGCISelect=0
bbMPEGCDSize=795
Frames=0
VideoPTS=0
PAL=0
NTSC2PAL=0
TitlePictureFormat=4
ChangeCDPictureFormat=2
viHorizontalSize=720
viVerticalSize=480
viAspectRatio=2
viFrameRate=1
vifps=23976
SelectedAspectRatio=0
CDLabel=FIFTHELEMENTTHE
MovieTitle=FIFTHELEMENTTHE
Number of images=3
Volumes=0
fps=23.976
SubYPos=0
Deinterlace=0
SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Threshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=1
Use Topfield First=0
AudioPTS0=0
Delay0=0
AudioSource0=1
AudioLangCode0=--
AudioLanguage0=Unspecified
AudioStream0=0
AudioChannels0=0
AudioBitrate0=224
wFormatTag0=85
nSamplesPerSec0=24000
AudioPTS1=0
Delay1=0
AudioSource1=0
AudioLangCode1=
AudioLanguage1=
AudioStream1=0
AudioChannels1=0
AudioBitrate1=0
wFormatTag1=0
nSamplesPerSec1=0
NumOfAudioStreams=1
[VOBFiles]
VobName_0=C:\FifthElement\[DivX] The Fifth Element.avi
[MovieInfo]
MovieOffset=
CDOverlapSeconds=
StartupDelays=
VideoFormat=NTSC
Length=02:06:12
Images=
Encoder=Cinema Craft Encoder 2.62.1.1
EncodingMode=Multipass VBR
AvgBitrate=2230
MaxBitrate=2530
MinBitrate=300
QFactor=5
Passes=4
ImageQualityPriority=17
AntinoiseFilter=No
LinearQuantizerScale=Yes
ZigzagScanningOrder=Yes
UpperFieldFirst=No
ProgressiveFrames=Yes
CQValue=
MotionSearchPrecision=High quality (slow)
DCComponentPrecision=10 bits
OutputYUVData=No
FloatingPointDCT=Yes
NoMotionSearch=True
SoftenBlockNoise=No
iDCTAlgorithm=
ResizeMethod=BicubicResize b value: 0 c value: 0
TemporalSmoother=No
Sharpen=No
Matrix=
NTSCFieldOperation=
Deinterlace=None
Pulldown=No
Width=480
Height=480
Audiostreams=1
AudioLanguage0=Unspecified
AudioBitrate0=224
AudioSampleFrequency0=48000
AudioMode0=Stereo
AudioLanguage1=
AudioBitrate1=
AudioSampleFrequency1=
AudioMode1=
Subtitlestreams=0
Type=
SubtitleInfo0=
SubtitleInfo1=
SubtitleInfo2=
SubtitleInfo3=
Authoring=
UseEntrysvd=

[m3taPT]

Originally posted by poopity poop
If anyone cares about this anymore....
dual AMD 1900+ MP's 512MB RAM


CCE speed averages 1.9. simple resize...adding some borders on the sides.

not sure how dual 1600+'s beat me, please tell me...

You might wanna check www.amdmb.com's forums. I just went there today, read some (long, be prepared) posts, then upgraded my bios, tweaked it a bit, and made my amd XP 2000+ go from 1.8 to 1.95 (using bicubic resize). Im overclocked as hell, cpu is hot as a fried egg, so i wont be using this permanently, but i wanted to see if those guys were really gurus or just bigmouths. ;)

I suggest you grab some benchmarking tools, read some posts there... and if still needed, ask for help on the threads that either relate to your cpu and/or your motherboard. :)

[nielssen]

Intel Celeron 800 MHz, 128 MB RAM ~ 0.4

[poopity poop]

Yeah I lied about all that.... I'm getting around 2.150 with CCE now.. don't know what the problem was.. he he. I can get up to 2.5 from a huffy .avi

[roko]

Athlon 1.1G, Abit KT7-raid,256Meg,ATA-100,Win2K,runs 1.0-1.2.right now online in this forum runs 1.148 approx. doing Sopranos season3 ep1.
Same machine using Win98SE I did about .9 to approx 1.0 depends on TSRs and other stuff.
109b3,CCE2.5 all defaults except changed bitrate disc sizes to 60 min per disc for this job and turned off 48k downsample on audio.

[LB]

I have dual 1800s and average 3.226 going through CCE 2.5 via a huffy avi file. ^.^

A major factor is how fast your hard drives are too. A 5 gb file can take quite awhile to read if its on a slow drive.

And yes, that is a *3*, not a missprint and a 2. Another factor is what huffy dll ya using. ^.^ I betcha dual 2800s, (not avail atm) would push 5+Rt... Very yummy.

[poopity poop]

I'm reading off of a RAID 0 with 2x60GB IBM deskstar GXP75's I'm pushing SCSI speeds...Why can't I go that fast :)

[Trimegisto]

Hi,
I'm running a Dual AMD 1800+ with 1Gb RAM on a ASUS A7M266-D.
I have two IDE HD, a IBM Deskstar 40 Gb 7200 rpm and a Seagate 20 Gb 5400 rpm.

I'm thinking of setting up a RAID 0 striped volume in the following manner:

Primary master the 40 Gb HD with 3 partitions, one of 10 Gb for the OS (XP Pro), one of another 10 Gb for work related stuff and leave 20 Gb empty.

Secundary Master the 20 Gb with a single empty partition.

Then create a striped volume of 40 Gb made out of the 20 Gb from the first drive and the other 20 Gb.

Is this a good idea to increase CCE speed? I'm currently encoding at max 1.2 to 1.4 fps depending on the filters aplied using ripped vob files. Encoding from DivX files I've reached 3.5 fps.

Should I place the ripped vob files in the same volume as the destination mpv files? Or is it better to place the source and the destination in different drives?

Any ideas? Advices? Experiences to share?

Thank you!

[Labersack]

HDD speed have much influence on e.g. muxing, but CCE-speed won't change very much.

[ux-3]

CCE does not benefit from HD Speed much. For some time, I specified different HDs for directories for each step. It does make a huge difference for some HDs, when the vob is on disk and the ripped ac3 goes to another HD. Same goes for muxing. A sure speed improvement can be gained by writing to another HD.

[roofy69]

PIII 500, 512M Ram, CCE = .345

Also, using MPEG2Dec2.

[sych0]

Originally posted by MrDutchie

P4 1.5Ghz 512 Mb Rambus

CCE Speed 0.8



Athlon 1700+ (1.5ghz) 512mb DDR Ram PC2100

0.8 for me as well :)

[marscable]

lets keep this thread alive.. y not :)

amd 1.2 ghz
512 sdram
80 gb Maxtor hd
winxp

CCE 2.5 = 0.847

i hope if i go Athlon xp 1800+ or 1900+ it would make a significant increase like what ive read on previous post.. =) 1.5 or above im happy..





:^)

[LdSr]

YAY It's alive.
Here's my 2 cents.

AMD XP 1800+
1 GB ram
120 GB 8mb cache WD hard drive
WIN XP Pro

CCE 2.5:
1.9 Bicubic AVI
1.7 Bicubic DVD
1.0 Bicubic IVTC

[Tobytl]

Whoops, thought i posted mine yesterday, musta forgot to hit submit...

AthlonXP 2100+
512MB PC2100
Abit KR7A-133 w/ VIA 4in1 4.43v
2x40GB 7200RPM ATA133 (one for the dvd files, one for all the others)
WinXP SP1
Nothing OC'd (during normal operations)
Always using BicubicResize
Always from dvds

CCE 2.5
0.8-1.2 NTSC IVTC using decomb.dll
1.1-1.3 NTSC 29.97 no deinterlace
1.8-2.3 NTSC 23.976 ForceFilm (mostly around 1.8/1.9, but got 2.3 on a small dvd the other day)

[DVD__GR]

Athlon Xp 1700+ MSI Mb / 256 Samsung 2ns.
1,35 Bicubic , 1,1Lanczos.. (no deinterlace)
+Noise Reduction in cinemacraft (5)

[DrKnish]

I use CCE 2.50 and the newest version of DVD2SVCD.

Depending on the format of the source (Full Screen/Wide Screen) I see between 1.65 and 2.2, which seems to be quite a range actually.

An interesting side note (if anyone else is interested). The above is like light speed compared to the other machines I was using! I have a PII @450MHZ and a PII @233 (I used TMPGEnc on it) that I used before I built my current machine. I didn't know if it would even work but it's all I had. Both machines were running 384 MB of RAM. Most projects would take around 55-70 hours!! It did work though. Very good result, just very slow. LOL!

[juange]

athlon xp 2.000
512 mb ram

CCE Max Speed: 1.470.

Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 1644169576
AudioSectors: 170365468
VideoPAPO: 22830012
ScanOffsetBytes: 134195
SeqAligningBytes: 8528825
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 3848544
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 600.00
PureMPEGStream: 1438462524.13
Seconds: 4669.21
CalcMPEGStream: 1438462524.13
Frames: 111829
CDSize: 790.00
Cut point 782.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 111829
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2230
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\movie\DVD2SVCD\SIMPLE~1\SIMPLE~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\movie\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\movie\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
SimpleResize(480,480)
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.470
Video Encoding finished.:sly:

[aftertaste]

well i am getting very slow speeds compared to some of u guys with close to my system setup. Maybe someone can give me a bit of advice.

Windows XP SP1
Asus A7M266-d
2 - 2.0 AMD's
512 MB Corsair Registered RAM 2-2-2 timing
Promise Super-Trek SX6000 (6 channel RAID card)
40 GB Western Digital (system drive)
120 GB Western Digital (project drive)
160 GB (2 80GB Western Digital in RAID) (working drive 1)
160 GB (2 80GB Western Digital in RAID) (working drive 2)
ASUS V9180 Video Suite Graphics Adapter
PC Power Cooling 475 ATX Power Supply (A MUST HAVE !!!)
Pioneer DVD-116
Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD-R/RW Burner
Adaptec AIC-7850 SCSI card
WangDAT SCSI DAT Drive (with firmware and software to handle audio)
RME DIGI9652 Audio Interface Card

CCE v2.66 doing 3 pass vbr (Huffyuv v2.1.1 - CCESP Patch v0.2.2)
1.2 fps on the first pass and not over 1.0 on the last 3 passes

when i use AVIzlib compressor i get about 1.6 which still seems slow

Now as far as the dual prosessors are concerned i get about 60% usage total on both processors during CCE??? The first processor only running at about 30% and the second at about 70%. Is that normal?? I am obviously doing something wrong. Maybe its something with my version of Huffy?? But 1.0 fps on a dual 2.0 machine is very poor.

[synchron]

Newbie here:

P4 2.4 Ghz 256 DDR

CCE sustained rate averages 1.9 for me using the defaults on a widescreen movie.

ConvertToYUY2()
SimpleResize(480,276)
AddBorders(0,102,0,102)





:cool:

[thebigcheese]

P4 2.0

I get speeds ranging between 1.5 and 1.8.

[badbert]

well i am getting very slow speeds compared to some of u guys with close to my system setup. Maybe someone can give me a bit of advice.

Aftertaste I have a dual AMD 1.6. I have learned to do all of my filtering, resizing..etc in VDUB. Then I feed the finished product into DVD2SVCD using a "Blank" avisynth script.

[AVISYNTH_BLANK]

this gives me speeds in excess of 2.5 and sometimes..3.0!

If you are using 2.66 I assume you are using "Safemode frmeserving". If so this explains your cpu difference, you are using one cpu to frameserve and another to run CCE.


My system

Tyan Tiger-MP
2xAMD MP1600s
512mb DDR
Promise TX2 raid card
2x80gb WD 8mb
2x80gb WD 8mb
Asus V8170 G4
soundblaster 5.1

very similar (Minus one year) I have only one thing to add... After a reformat and fresh install of XPSP1 my machine would only give 1.7s running CCE wide-open (no filters) I don't know what I did to make it work again. I did update the ASPI layer..but I don't think that should have had any effect. After a few encodes it seemed to correct itself.

[aftertaste]

What i don't understand is at times i will be getting 75 - 80% processor usage then all of a sudden the second CPU will drop down to like 15% and i'll only get 45 - 50% usage. What is cce doing different at certain times during the encoding process to make my processors act this way. CPU 1 seems to always stay constent at about 80 - 85%. CPU 2 seems to be the only one affected during the cce process. And it also appears that at the beginning of each pass is when i see the best %. Then after about 10 or so min. CPU 2 drops down for awhile then jumps back up. This is an ongoing issue. Also seems like i have a memory leak. CCE uses 147,840KB out of 512 and under the performance tab in the task manager it shows Physical Memory Total at 523,736 yet Available only shows 49,044. I don't run anything in the background while cce is running. After adding all the other processes like explorer and etc. and what cce uses there seems to be 368,992 lost somewhere?? I have heard of cce sometimes causing memory leaks. Is there a way to check and or fix this issue. I am getting better speeds after tweaking a few things. Only 1.3 though. Still seems alittle slow.

[leber33]

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (1466MHZ)
RAM: 512 DDR PC333
Average Speed 1.5 to 1.8

[badbert]

AfterTaste
all of a sudden the second CPU will drop down to like 15%
Is it possible that CPU2 is being "throttled down" due to overheating?

[LordTrace]

CPU - P4 running at 1.9
RAM - 256 Rambus
Speed - 1.5 to 1.9

[JoBob]

2.4 ghz P4 512 Mb rdram 1.3-1.4

[Huckleberry]

Asus MB with I820 chipset (yea I know it has a bug but it OC's a P3 chip like crazy)
PIII 650 @ 923 mhz (yea I know its OC'd to death huh, 3 years and counting)
40 gig WD 7200 rpm 100ATA HD @ 66ATA (its all my MB will do)
256 meg PC 133 mem
geforce4 64meg vid
Most movies I encode at about .600 R/T in CCE
.650 highest speed ive seen, .350 lowest speed ive seen

I think I need an upgrade, Ive squeezed this setup to death :p

[Sparck]

Athlon XP1700@1460 256ram
CCE 0.8 --> 1.5

[Diable]

[Mobo] Abit TH7-II(i850 chipset)
[CPU] 1.8GHz P4 overclocked to 2.35GHz(18x130mhz)
[Memory] 2x128mb of Samsung RDRAM
[Hard Drive] 1x 7200rpm 100GB WD "SPECIAL EDITION" w/8MB's of cache

I get 2.080 R/T when encoding SVCD from 16:9 DVD's.

[Forseti]

P4 1.6a@2.4Ghz, 512MB DDR RAM, GeForce4 Ti4600

4 Pass VBR, standard SVCD settings on CCE = avg. of 1.75

[KinchTheKnifeblade]

Dell optiplex 8100 1.1Ghz with 256 MB RAM (RAMBus RIMM)
CCE 2.50, no filters, mostly PAL

Initial spike of 1.1 averaging out to .97ish

Kinch

[jiM3op]

Hi there....

i have a P4 2.53 MHz on MSI Board (Intel 845E Chipset). I use DVD2SVCD with CCE SP 2.5. When encoding (4 pass VBR) a NTSC movie 19:9 i get speeds like 1.0. So the whole thing takes about 9 hrs for a 105 min. movie.... I use Telecide for deinterlacing.

I know ppl who encode this in less than 7 hrs on nearly the same hardware specs... any idea ?

tia,

jiM3op

[Fmazzanti]

Hello everybody,
after few months of this thread, I've arrived to the conclussion that... comparisons can not be done this way. I see here people with very similar machines with essentially the same amount of RAM etc etc giving figures that range from 1.2 to 2.0 I do believe that the comparison is not neat since some of you encode PAL, other NTSC, some encode 4:3, other anamorphic and so and so forth.
So why don't we try to encode all of us the same thing? WOuldn't it be possible to put somewhere part of a DVD that we all download and encode? Statistics would be much more significant then...

[edekba]

Amd 1.33 Tbird w/768 SDRAM.
@ .9 to 1.1

Dell 1.6 P4M (@ 1.6Ghz) 256 DDR

.6

[tart666]

AXP1600, nforce1, 256MB DDR266, win2k ---- 1.66
P4-2.4/533, 845PE, 256MB DDR333, XP home ---- 2.34

(edit) NTSC film, 4-pass VBR, bilinear resize, 16:9

[telemike]

Sony VAIO Celeron 1200, 256MB , windows XP

CCE: 0.40 - 0.65 480x480 SVCD

[MaXiMuS]

Dual pIII @ 800 MHz / 1 Gb ram /7200 rpm hdd

no filtering DVD=>SVCD 0.8-0.9
:D

[lostboy]

Abit NS-7
Athlon XP 2800
Crossair 1 gig 3200 DDR

Normal CCE speed = 2.15
IVTC speed = 1.38

This is on an un optimised setup with Win XP with things like Norton still running.

Going to try on a fresh Win 2K install with nothing else installed

[chipvideo]

2.7 with norton running

[telemike]

Sony VAIO Celeron 1200, 256MB , windows XP

CCE 2.50
DVD2SVCD

Bilinear Resize 480x480 SVCD = 0.9

[jsoto]

==========SVCD output==================
---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1\Mpeg2dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\SVCDcama\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BicubicResize(528,476,0.00,0.60)
Crop(24,0,480,476)
AddBorders(0,50,0,50)
Import("F:\SVCDcama\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----
Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.420
Video Encoding finished.

==========DVD output===================
---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1\Mpeg2dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\DosTorr\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BicubicResize(792,634,0.00,0.60)
Crop(36,29,720,576)
Import("F:\DosTorr\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----
Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.150
Video Encoding finished.
====================================

Yes, I usually do a 10% zoom in 2.35:1 movies.

I believe the number of pixels (horizontal x vertical) to encode affects directly to encoding speed.

SW:
D2S 1.2.1b2 :), CCE 2.66 with EclCCE :), avisynth 2.08 :( (I have to change...)
HW: P4 2.4 GHz, 512 RAM

jsoto

[homerjay]

ive just upgraded my processor to an xp2600+ with 512mb ram and using the FACAR plugin with D2SROBA i am currently getting a speed of 1.70 - 1.72 :D

2:17 min source with estimated conversion time of just 1 hour 22 minutes BRILLIANT :D :D

[telemike]

I just broke the 1.00 barrier with my Celeron 1200. Using just Bilinear resize and SVCD I saw a 1.006 :)

[Trahald]

jsoto - if you dont want to touch what works for you then by all means ignore this ;) but why are you encodeing extra (resizing large) then cropping.. when you can crop then resize... save some encoding time yet still get your 10% zoom

instead of
BicubicResize(528,476,0.00,0.60)
Crop(24,0,480,476)
AddBorders(0,50,0,50)


do

Crop(36,24,648,428)
BicubicResize(480,476,0.00,0.60)
AddBorders(0,50,0,50)

(i did the math fast.. might want to check to see if ratios are correct) should get you faster speed (a little) but same quality. why encode an area your gonna chop off

[mbarros_8]

i think i've a problem
my processor is a : AMD Athlon Xp 2000+
when i start convert avi to svcd, everything is ok, in CCE my speed go around 1.6
then idon't know waht's happen, i formatted de disk, and the problems happear.
when CCE starts ,the speed go around 1.2, after one minute, more or less, the speed go for 0.6

i don't know why
and i can converted a movie in 3h/4h, now i can convert in 10hours

anyone knows why?? maybe the problem is in codecs???
or in processor???

[telemike]

uninstall dvd2svcd and avisynth.

re-install latest versions.

maybe this help?

[mbarros_8]

already I made this many times and nothing

it always makes the same thing starts with good speed and last 1 minute it starts to go down

[mbarros_8]

I installed codecs of the Nimo Pack, but exists one codec in this pack that I did not install and that has to see with bicubic to resizer will be of this?
and my conversion is with a bicubic resizer...

[jsoto]

@w00kiee
Many thanks. I already know there is this improvement, but I am too lazy to change my ini files (I have some defaults in dvd2svcd.ini, now Avisynth.ini, since a long time ago...).

Anyway, many thanks again.

[Manngo]

Intel P3 Tualatin 1200 512RAM

NTSC
0,8-0,9

PAL
0,6-0,7

Without avisynth much faster. (above 1)

[b0b0b0b]

Hi everybody I built myself a new computer:

P4-2.6 800MHz fsb
PC3200 2x512M
no overclocking at this point

speed is about 2.4

[switu]

- 12/5/2003 12:25:03 AM
- Free on drive C: 16959.36 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833937188
AudioSectors: 83928936
VideoPAPO: 11618028
ScanOffsetBytes: 99127
SeqAligningBytes: 6300084
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 0.00
PureMPEGStream: 731991008.53
Seconds: 3450.36
CalcMPEGStream: 731991008.53
Frames: 82606
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 82606
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 1697
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
AVISource("C:\PROGRA~1\eMule\Incoming\Movies\SWATDV~1.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
# -= AviSynth script by FitCD v1.1.2 =-
LanczosResize(448,272,12,0,612,272)
AddBorders(16,104,16,104)
Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 3.430
Video Encoding finished.
...............................................................
intel IV 2.4 800 fsb Hyper
nvidia 128 mb
memory 512 mb

[Venom_IL]

Hey guys... how about setting standard test conditions i.e.
* no programs in memory whatsoever
* comp after a fresh boot
* (most importantly) use these exact settings for the encode - ...
* ...

?

[chipvideo]

I agree. Might have to get a list of movies and have ones for pal and ntsc users. Use bicubic resize as well and make it a dvd not a svcd.

[Wolfman]

CCE Max Speed: 1.460

on a amdxp 2600 with 512k DDRam @266 sis 756? mobo

converting dvd2svcd /bicubicresize/ 2700/2000/300 cce

could do better :(
however I do get 30-35fps from dr.divx (which would you use?)

[TigerLord]

Max Speed: 3.4
Normal Speed: 2.5-2.9

PIV 3.0GHZ 800FSB
1GB OF DDR-400 (Dual-Channel)

Edit: I just did 3.724 :D

[chipvideo]

Tigerlord, what were your settings with avisynth?

Did you make a dvd or svcd? Also what movie did you use?

[smuck]

I use;
Athlon 2000XP
1Gb Ram 133
Maxtor HD diamond max 9 7200rpm

CCE speed 1.700

[chubas]

pIV 2.8 HT
256 ram

cce v2.5
avg speed 2.3