Strikes count in forum rules page

[2COOL]

I've tried searching for a reference outside of the threads on how many strikes pertain to each forum rule. It's defintely not written in stone in here (http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm). To the best of my knowledge, after reading in previous posts from Doom9 and Mods, rules 4 and 6 hold two strikes and the rest are one strikes.

My suggestion is to maybe have the number of strikes given besides each rule to make it known how much damage can occur. If it's clarified somewhere else, I couldn't find it.

[Doom9]

I suppose that would make sense now that the announcement where I announced that rules4 & 6 count twice is no longer visible.

[dani82]

i always thought that violating the forum rules except for 4 & 6, would only be given a warning and not a strike; guess i was wrong.

[oddyseus]

U were not wrong. There r plenty of examples that a forum rule violation is treated with a warning or two, even three in certain occasions. The newbie forum is full of these examples.

It is most logical and fair to treat junior members with a tolerance and warn them that they have broken a rule. However a senior member mustn't and wont receive this moderated attitude. ie u won't be striked for breaking r9 (meaningful title) once or twice, most probably u'll get a recomendation to conform. Eventually u will be striked for breaking r4 (respect each other and the moderators), because u have ignored their warnings and this could be perceived as an insult.

[Lord of the Discs]

Originally posted by Doom9
I suppose that would make sense now that the announcement where I announced that rules4 & 6 count twice is no longer visible.

and THAT sure would have made the difference, in my case ...


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[Doom9]

and THAT sure would have made the difference, in my case ...
How so? Would you have behaved better? If that is so, it's still not good because rule4 strikes should never happen. They're a clear sign that somebody is abusing the anonymity of the Internet to behave out of line. And it doesn't change the fact that you did not follow the way how to contest a strike.

[Lord of the Discs]

OK, I agree that my behaving is far from being perfect (btw, it´s
not much different in real life, including the trouble it causes).

But imagine following situation:

You live your life in a forum, well knowing that it has its rules
and that its rules have their sanctions (what´s really GOOD, ´cause:
rules without sanctions = no rules = chaos) and one day you break a
rule and got hit TWICE SO HARD as you thought it´s possible, simply
because there is nothing about double strikes in the sanctions. Then
you see that there´s NO name below the post and believe that the one
behind it don´t want to take the resposibility for it (to Doom9 only:
this also could be a sign that somebody is abusing the anonymity of
the Internet to behave out of line). So, how would you feel?

I was just too "pissed off" to follow the appealing procedure, but
meanwhile I think I should have writen this lines in my "leaving
announcement at first. Well this here is by far the longest post I
have ever written and I hope that it explains my "goodbye".


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[Doom9]

So, how would you feel?I would be pissed, too, and try to find out what I could do against it (meaning reading the forum rules page again, discovering the link about the sanctions and appeal process and make an appeal). As I have outlined here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55994, as in real life you don't stand a chance if you don't follow the proper procedure.

and one day you break a
rule and got hit TWICE SO HARD as you thought it´s possible, simply
because there is nothing about double strikes in the sanctions.But then again you should not let it happen in the first place. Rules 4 and 6 are obvious enough that if you break them you must've done so on purpose. And when do you break rules in real life? When you know you'll get away with it (for instance break the speed limit on a highway if you know there's no cop with a radar gun waiting). If you know you won't get away with it then you'll think twice about breaking the rules.

Also, since the server was re-setup we no longer have ftp access so for the time being it's impossible to change the rules page :/

[Lord of the Discs]

Well, Doom9, it looks like you´ve never heard of a
phenomenon called "emotional reaction". If it is so,
then just close this tread too :( ...

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[Doom9]

are you asking for yet another strike? Your post sure sounds like it to me, I see no reason for that tone except to try and piss me off. Those who cannot control their emotions have no place in that forum. If you punch your boss in the face if he tells you he's not happy with your work, you're fired and are possibly even facing a lawsuit. I doubt that anyone here really has so little control over him or herself. I get pissed off about people a lot, especially on the net (many thing that's a free ride to behave against all norms), but when I do I go do some sports or punch in a pillow or something and will only return to the PC when I feel relaxed again.
The reaction to a strike tells me everything I need to know about a user. Those who can accept it, or those why try an appeal that isn't based on insults and swearwords, will be able to stay around. Those who do not adhere to the rules even after a strike have their suspension pretty much for granted.

[dani82]

just give him a strike, he already has 2 doesn'the, make it a 3rd and we won't here from him for a month or so; besides, didn't he said he might consider leaving due to the strikes he's been given

[Lord of the Discs]

My last post was cynical, I just don´t believe that people break
rules only because they know they´ll get away with it, but I
should have written it in a better tone.

I admit that I failed to control my emotions in some of my posts
(including the last one) and, here and now, I apologize for that,
although it´s sometimes really hard for me to stay quiet, i.e.
when somebody plays dumb too obvious.

This does not mean that I´m a dangerous psychotic who´s searching
for innocent victims all the time. I also never punched my boss,
I left the company instead (was not easy to find a new job).

Meanwhile I realized that I am not the first and only one who got
a double strike, but I still think that all possible sanctions
must be made public, together with the rules (a sticky in general
announcements would have done it in my case).


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[oddyseus]

Rules and sanctions r public. Every page u have visited has the link in its second top row. How can u miss it?

[Lord of the Discs]

I´m talking about double strikes.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by oddyseus
Rules and sanctions r public. Every page u have visited has the link in its second top row. How can u miss it? It is indeed on every page and the reason for my post was a suggestion to revamp and clarify the forum rules page with strikes count, but as Doom9 quotes...

Originally posted by Doom9
Also, since the server was re-setup we no longer have ftp access so for the time being it's impossible to change the rules page :/...we won't see any progess very soon.

I really think it's time that the forum rules page needs a facelift and be rewritten with better examples and clearer explanations as it seems there are a lot of people out there that still don't get it.

[Doom9]

the forum rules page needs a facelift and be rewritten with better examples and clearer explanations examples please.. I think they are as clear as it gets. You cannot add examples to rules, in fact I had to rewrite the rules page several times to cut rules short. But I can't do anything against the sheer number of 'em.. they are all very much required.


as it seems there are a lot of people out there that still don't get it.or don't want to get it? Most strikes I see around here are for such obvious infractions that you don't even need a rules page to explain them.. it is obvious to anyone who knows the netiquette that certain things are just not permitted.

[Lord of the Discs]

here´s my example, for the sanctions-page:

"Each moderator can report you for violating a forum rule. Such a report contains a timestamp, the forum rule you violated and the post in question. Such a report will result in you getting a "strike". As in baseball "3 strikes and you're out", though in this case the 3 strikes have to occur within a month's time or they will be forgotten.

Strikes for violating rule #4 and #6 count double, because these
2 rules are more important for a working forum and should not be
violated at all.

A suspension involves the following:"


that´s all I missed there ...

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[r6d2]

@Lord of the Discs

I'm glad you decided not to leave at last.

Your posts in general showed an good attitude to help other users (even though you sometimes shout at them for not understanding/following your directions).

So, I just would like to suggest that you try to abide by the rules, now that you know them better than anyone :), keep posting with that good attitude of yours and helping others, and avoid taking more time from Doom9, who I honestly think has given you enough already, kindly and respectfully.

We are here to learn about DVD conversion, our time is better spent in that instead of arguing about social issues and rules. Take them as a fact of the problem, like the SVCD resolution, the size of a CD or any other spec you must abide to keep "compatibility".

Besides, you chose one of the most creative nicknames on this forum. Keep showing your creativity as you have before, possitively and constructively.

Regards,

[Lord of the Discs]

Thanx, r6d2, and you´re right about moving on.

c u ...

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[Hiro2k]

Originally posted by Doom9

But then again you should not let it happen in the first place. Rules 4 and 6 are obvious enough that if you break them you must've done so on purpose.

Sorry if this thread had died, but I must disagree. I don't think rule 6 is clear enough, I spend a lot of time in the Newb Section and I've seen to many new user's not understand that if your source was illegaly obtained, that it falls under rule 6. The rules just say,
"No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained movies! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking or offering in any way or form is not tolerated."

That doesn't seem clear enough, it should say that illegally obtained movies cannot be discussed, or something like that. But I know the FTP isn't working, but it's just a suggestion.

Also I have another obersvation from being in the NewB section. I've noticed that many times a new user will ask for help with a movie her or she has downloaded and a moderator will close it without answering there question. I don't find that productive to anyone, another user might have had the same question, but since the thread was closed, they will have to post a new one and that just seems redundant to me.

[epere4]

Originally posted by Hiro2k Also I have another obersvation from being in the NewB section. I've noticed that many times a new user will ask for help with a movie her or she has downloaded and a moderator will close it without answering there question. I don't find that productive to anyone, another user might have had the same question, but since the thread was closed, they will have to post a new one and that just seems redundant to me. [/B]
Maybe you are right here. You could make a sticky of one of those question and answer it with an apropiate quote of rule 6.
But if you have to post a sticky for any important rule, then there will be too many of them and nobody will pay attention to them.
Besides, you have (I think) 5 days between your registration to the forum and being able to start posting. That gives you plenty of time to learn the rules.

[dani82]

the forum rules ain't that hard to understand, except for #7, how big can it be?

there really no point for a sticky for every other rule, most newbies don't even read the forum rules, what makes you think they gonna bother with the sticky describling the forum rules.


@Hiro2k

i started a thread a couple months ago about the samething you described http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51203


@Lord of the Discs

there's one thing a don't understand:

i assume you actually red the forum rules, but for some reason, you couldn't avoid getting a strike, especially a 2x strike.

the only reason i would ever be given a stike, was that there was no other way i could avoid #4.


i just notice the last line of SANCTIONS:

By publicly complaining about a strike....you also forfeit your rights to an appeal.

so you kind of screwed yourself.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by dani82
[B]the forum rules ain't that hard to understand, except for #7, how big can it be?

DVD Conversion is an artisan work. There are no recipes, no sliced bread, no magic parameter tweak for any general case. It requires work, learning a lot and becoming a real artisan from a simple apprentice.

The rules are crystal clear. People who won't be able to read, or won't be able to understand, or won't be able to comply, will *never* become an artisan on this. They just don't have what it takes. Silent closing of stupid threads by the mods is a favor to us all.

Regards,

[Doom9]

#7: images in profile/ signature should not be bigger than r6d2's image. And as for the rest use common sense. If you want to show a screenshot of a 640x272 movieclip, there's no need to post a full screen (1024x768 or even larger) image, doing so would be a major waste of bandwith.

[Belgabor]

Originally posted by Doom9
#7: images in profile/ signature should not be bigger than r6d2's image. And as for the rest use common sense. If you want to show a screenshot of a 640x272 movieclip, there's no need to post a full screen (1024x768 or even larger) image, doing so would be a major waste of bandwith.
I think the wording of this rule could be a bit improved, since I would have never thought it also applies to screenshots.
e.g: Keep the size of all posted images reasonable. Avatars may not be larger than XxY. Also have mercy on the poor fellows with slow connections and keep signature images to a minimum.