Thanks Doom9...

[brashquido]

For creating that new guide explaining when to process by VOB ID and when not to. I have only had a chance to scan over it to date, but I can already see it's going to clear quite a few things up for me. Worth its weight in gold, I highly recommend anyone having trouble grasping the topic should check it out here (http://www.doom9.org/mpg/vobidornot.htm)! :D

[RB]

Great guide! However, there is a small error in there. Where it says about the "Gone in 60 seconds" IFO:

As you can see, VOB ID 1 is used in every PGC. But if you look hard enough you'll see that this VOB ID is the layer break and only 0.15 seconds long. In this case you can also process by PGC. All you have to do is add a chapter point at the end of each PGC, exactly 0.15 seconds from the end of the track.

That should be 15 frames from the end of the track, the timestamp in IFOs is always hh:mm:ss:ff. But I figure it doesn't matter that much because it's more important that the chapter point is there and not exactly where it is.

[fourtyfour]

servus...

I think ther is something wrong in this Guide:

Then when you arrive at the Scenarist step, create a chapter for each cell in the track editor. Then when you're in the scenario editor, create PGC1 using the track you have created, then remove the chapter reference for all those cells that are not actually chapters. To do that, right click on the PGC in the scenario editor, and select Rearrange Chapters.

If you move the chapters by "rearange chapters", they´re still [PG] command after compile.

But they should be in the "Cell" line in Scenario editor.
I´ve done this with some Multiangle movies and IfoUpdate recognize sometimes, that there are too many PG at the movie and stop updating.

Solution:

Work in other way: (for example the movie.ifo of Austin Powers 2)



VTS
|
Title 1
| | | | and so on
PG1 PG2 PG3 PG4
| | | \ \ |
Cell1 Cell2 Cell3 Cell4 Cell5 Cell6



After compile this Scenario, the IFO has the same structure like the orignal without the [PG] and Channels are only for [PG] files.

[Doom9]

@44: somehow I recall that issue.. I never quite understood why this would happen, after all the chapter browser is there to remove such references. I have been unable to locate my older docs on that (I've written both ways before).. now I've switched back to the manual ways.

@rb: I have corrected that mistake.

@brashquido: Thanks, but you should be sending the flowers to Eyes.. he made me write that article.

[brashquido]

In that case, thanks Eyes 'Only :D

[69Mws]

I import all stuff in Scenarist with the Script from RA. So far, so good. But how can I easily add such a short clip with 15 Frames manually in order to rebuild the original structure?

I can't simply add it via "Add Scene" and set a duration for it, 'cause it gives me an error like "there are already scenes on the timeline".

I have to admit that by being used to DVDMaestro, Scenarist is giving me a hard time when it comes to "manual adjustments" in the structure...

Little help would be appreciated :)

Greetz
69Mws

[fourtyfour]

servus...

add 15 frames clip:

import the DIF4U no-CCE file in Scenarist

Scenarist will ask you what kind it should be.

If you choose on of them (I think its still mene; with the red pause-logo), the track is default 10 frames long.

click on video timeline and change duration to 00:00:00;15

Now, the clip is 15 frames long :)

[69Mws]

Originally posted by fourtyfour
servus...

add 15 frames clip:

import the DIF4U no-CCE file in Scenarist

Scenarist will ask you what kind it should be.

If you choose on of them (I think its still mene; with the red pause-logo), the track is default 10 frames long.

click on video timeline and change duration to 00:00:00;15

Now, the clip is 15 frames long :)

Thx fourty :)

The problem is with that specific DVD that I don't get this little "no-cce-clip" when I demux by PGC, only by VOB-ID, 'cause this small clip has its own VOB-ID and is included in every PGC in the original DVD (it's an episodic DVD, all episodes are together in one Titleset).

Could I maybe use any dummy for such cases and edit the duration? Doesnt't it give me an error when I set the duration to an amount it doesn't really have? E.g. I need duration 30 frames and my dummy has just 15 Frames?

And what do you mean by "it's still mene"? Or did you mean "menu"? :confused:

Greetz
69Mws

[fourtyfour]

servus...

ehm, it means menu :D

RA should do the job, or do you work without RA on this movie?

A smaler duration on a bigger durtated file should also work.
(10 frames in still menu works too, If file bigger than 10 frames)

A bigger duration shouldn´t work.

Why do you copy this vobID from the image by split by VobID and select one PGC :)

[69Mws]

I worked with RA on this episodic DVD, after demuxing by PGC and Reencoding.

The problem is, that this small clip is not shown as an own PGC in dif4u 'cause of the "VOB-ID-Sharing" I think and so it's not demuxed when demuxing by PGC.

The rebuild in Scenarist via RA Script went fine, but the first episode didn't work in the new final authored DVD.

When jumping to first episode from the menu, I got some seconds darkness and then it jumps back to the menu.

I took a look into the ifo with IfoEdit and in that place where normally the playtime for the first episode should have been, was only a short clip but no PGC with the duration of the episode.

When demuxing by VOB-ID dif4u demuxes fine this short clip but then I can't import this whole thing in RA, 'cause it says it only supports PGC-Demuxing.

Mkay, so demuxing only one PGC by VOB-ID after PGC-Demux should do the job to get the short clip, as far as no other suitable dummy is available :)

Thx & Greetz
69Mws