Use DVDShrink to do a 1:1 copy, minus one or two streams?

[hmmmmmmmm]

Hi all,
I'm not sure if this is something that has been answered yet (I didn't see it in any other threads and haven't seen it answered in the DVDShrink guides, so I don't think it's been addressed yet).
DVDShrink seems to be great at grabbing individual streams (so you can keep just the main movie), but i want to know if it's possible to grab all of the streams (like a 1:1 copy) and then remove an extra feature; say there are two copies of the main movie, a wide screen version and a full screen version and I want to keep the DVD intact except remove the full screen version of the movie, so if I were to pop in the DVD... assuming it all fit on a single disc... I would still see the original menu and all the extras are available, but if I tried to select the full screen movie it just wouldn't do anything... or rather could redirect it to play the remaining wide screen version.

Thanks.
PS - I just wanted to take a moment and applaud the author of DVDShirnk.... it's an amazing product and to have it out there for FREE just makes it 100 times better!! Thanks!

[Doom9]

you can't do that and you probably never will. The reason is the same why there are so many people complaining about ifoedit or transcoder output not working properly when they remove something. It's hard to impossible to properly remove PGCs or even VTS sets.. thare's always some reference that do not get properly updated and that may fuck up the navigational structure of the disc (most people don't check out every feature on their disc so they might not notice any problems). Bottom lime, stripping is dangerous. But what you could do is do an I-frame only compression of your fullscreen version, that would reduce the size of that VTS considerably while keeping the navigational structure intact.

[mrbass]

good choice of words doom9....clearly gets your point across hehe. No confusion will be allowed :D

[Antonio S.]

Doom9 said:you can't do that and you probably never will. The reason is the same why there are so many people complaining about ifoedit or transcoder output not working properly when they remove something...
Not completely true!!!

To remove titles properly use DVD95Copy title removing option without removing the menu included in that title. This program has the ability to create a DUMMY file of the removed title. Also to be sure that the player doesn't crash, use Menuedit to eliminate the link to that title. For burning the VIDEO_TS file created, use Instant Copy.
I have been using this process succesfully since DVD95Copy V1.4 is available. At this moment I had no problems with any player use, to test this procedure...

Antonio S.

[thop]

I'd love to see the removal of only a few video streams while keeping the menu intact implemented into DVDShrink. If this is solved to dummy files than all the better. Hell i'd gladly pay for it.

[Doom9]

@antonio: and what if the titleset you're removing contains some VOB IDs that are linked from other titlesets? Say they contain an FBI warning that is played before the main movie is played... then you'll run into problems. How can you be sure that you won't miss a reference to the removed content?

[Antonio S.]

@Doom9:

Well, if using the title remove feature in DVD95Copy (not removing the menu), you will notice that new created Ifo's have the same pointers as old ones. These mean that after running the dummy file the "next" programmed step will be executed...
As I posted before, I told that your statemenmt was "not completely true...". This mean that maybe this is not 100% error free, but test that I had performed at this moment gave me excellent results.
To remove warnings that are included in the "VIDEO_TS.VOB" file is very easy, because by default when the player read the "VIDEO_TS.VOB" dummy file, it is redirected automatically to title #1. However removing this warnings in other titles may be impossible.
As I posted before, removing title using DVD95Copy is not the same as Derrow's guide. With DVD95Copy, you keep all the original structure of your DVD, and this will keep all the original authored integrity of the DVD...

Antonio S.

[mrbass]

Originally posted by Antonio S.
With DVD95Copy, you keep all the original structure of your DVD, and this will keep all the original authored integrity of the DVD...
Then why did DVD95Copy make files that refused to play in PowerDVD? I never had a problem with dvd2one, dvdshrink, ic7, etc.

[MackemX]

I'll agree to a certain point about DVD95Copy's removal feature

if you have a titleset with say 8 PGC's and a vob ID in each. If you remove the ttleset using DVD95Copy, it creates 8 new blank images for each PGC. The actual titleset at the end will still have 8 VOB ID's but all will be 0.xx seconds long and contain nothing but a blank image and be around 70kb in size

so if that titleset contained all the warnings, logos, trailers etc, every time one was referenced it would just flash up a blank screen. This is why sometimes my DVD takes 1-2 seconds before it actually gets to the menu, because it is still playing all the blank entries, but I'll live with that cos I know the structure is still valid and I can't be bothered with going into the IFO's and messing on with the First Play etc

this still maintains the original structure and whenever one of those PGC's is referred to all you get is a quick flash of a blank screen and it returns to where it came and you can even disable the menu button like Antonio S. stated but I don't bother

this is a great feature if used correctly but as Doom9 has pointed out it has it's flaws as it can be open to abuse especially regarding menu removal :)

I would love to see a tool that could do the same as IC by removing individual titles, but put the same blank 0.xx secs entries into the PGC's and titlesets like DVD95Copy does but without having to remove the complete titleset

if this method does interfere with the structure in any way I am yet to come across it so I'm happy for now

this is basically what I do manually using Ifoedit but to have it done automatically is my greatest wish from a backup tool at the moment

when it happens I'll be happy :). I wonder if CloneDVD or DVD X COPY Express Platinum is that such tool?

[Antonio S.]

Further tests prove what I post before...

You can remove succesfully the title without removing the menu. The only one that may be removed completely, when using DVD95Copy title remove option, is the "VIDEO_TS" file.

Antonio S.