edit>render>framserve>encode

[pijetro]

I'm intrigued with Adobe Premiere (v6.0), and will start capturing and editing homemade DV footage. CCE (2.5) is the encoder of choice. My questions are these:

1) After editing, do I have to render before frameserving, or is rendering done on the fly by the frameserver to encoder.

2)If the answer is YES, does that mean I have to save a completely new .AVI for a pimply little transition, or does the original .avi get updated via a temp file??

3) In either case, does CCE's option as a plugin option upon installation work, or do I need to get a third party plugin for CCE.

This kind of information will let me decide on the nature of capture and editing, but till recently, could never piece together the sequences.

Thanxxxxx

[ulfschack]

1) Get the videoserver (a shareware avi-wrapper I got hold of when I was browsing vcdhelp.com, see http://www.videotools.net/guides/guide_premiere_tmpgenc.php). By using this you can frameserve directly from the timeline in uncompressed either by going over avisynth (via IPCsource, so it doesnt work with avisynth 2.5x. After version 1.06 the IPCsource functionallity was put in a special plugin called AvisynthEX.dll. I use 1.05) or to a fake avi header (but I had trouble getting this to work properly). So NO you dont have to render it after editing.

2) But even if you did render it to DV avi only the parts that you'd have changed would be recompressed. But every little change counts. An increase of saturation of 1% would be a completetly different avi for Premeiere and would thus be recompressed.

3) CCE has a Premiere plugin in the basic setup. If Premiere is installed you'll get the option of installing that one too. However I never use it since I want to take advantage of all the nice features that avisynth has to offer; like noise cleaning, the adding of borders to compensate for overscan, separating of fields etc.


cheers

By the way, if you're compressing Home DV to mpeg-2 I'd use TMPGEnc if I were you. It handles the shaky hand-held inferno a bit better than CCE. Takes a helluva lot longer tho. Good thing home videos ain't that long, eh?

[DDogg]

BTW, the guy that just did the frameserver for Vegas said he thought doing the same for Premiere would be easy. Anybody interested might hit his website and offer encouragement. It is dead simple to use, just render/output to it like it was a standard format. Ulfschack perhaps of special interest to you is that it works with avisynth 2.5x just fine :)

http://www.debugmode.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=29

[pijetro]

Thanx ulfschack. Just to clear up what you've said. I should be able to use CCE's plugin version and drop it in Adobe's plugins.... correct??
I know avisynth rocks for speed (since it doesn't go to RGB), but does Adobe's built in frameserver, or the server from the Videotools people switch to RGB??
I wanna gain some speed, but don't wanna learn AVIsynth (Old dog).

Until now, I've been serving via Vdub to CCE, and it's a bit slow....

Thanx...

[ulfschack]

Yup, a new plugin will apear in the adobe folder.

Most likely it's RGB that's outputted by the videoserver, but I'm not sure. I don't know of an easy app to find such things out for you (except for the videoserver documentation (if any)).

BTW, when you say "adobe's built in server" I hope you mean the serving ability that CCE gives Premiere via the tailored plugin. Premiere has no native support for frameserving

I think this new vegas plugin sounds very promising. Actually if it wasn't for the frameserving I would've stuck with Vegas in the first place. It's less heavy yet powerful ... smarter somehow it seems.

cheers