Spirited Away, IFOEdit seems to work but beginning is missing

[Sp33d]

This movie has two angles in the first chapter, each runs 1min 45sec. I used IFOedit v.95 to strip everything (I just want the movie). I selected VOBID's 1,3,4. In DVD2AVI ID1 is just the english credits and kind of a title screen (why it's before the movie on the disc I don't know). VOBID 2 and 3 are the same except one has english text and one is Japanese. ID4 is the movie. So, IFOEdit finishes and when I load it in PowerDVD, the first 1min 45 sec is missing. It just starts on chapter 2. The weird part is that if I load the files into DVD2AVI, the 1min 45sec section is there and viewable. For some reason PowerDVD skips over it (maybe because it's still shown as an angle). I don't know. Never had this happen before (with almost 100 movies done).

Anyone have any ideas?

[REECYCUP]

this may not help but if you remove a vob id in the first chapter it will start at the next chapter(most of the time)
look in ifo see if movie starts in the next cell or chapter
if so then it can be fixed in ifoedit
if not sorry i couldnt help

[Sp33d]

I don't think I was removing an ID from the first chapter. All the info seems to be there (I can see it all in DVD2AVI) but PowerDVD goes right past it. I'm not sure if I can post a line from the ifo file, if I can I would be able to show what's happening.
Mods, can I post a line or two from the IFO?

[mpucoder]

Originally posted by Sp33d
Mods, can I post a line or two from the IFO?

Sure, that's abstract enough.

[Sp33d]

Here's what it looks like (See attachment). From what I can tell I need to keep VobID 2 Which is has the english text.
Once I get past those two angles it's smooth sailing. It just occurs in Chapter 1 (and in the credits but who cares about credits).

I don't see an attachment but when I edit the post it says there is one. It's there I guess.

Here's a some lines from the IFO:
PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [02:04:29.04 / 30 fps] (Programs: 17) (Cells: 22) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,3,4,5,6,5,6)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] (Angle 1): time: 00:01:45.05 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:45.05] [Frames: 3155]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] (Angle 2): time: 00:01:45.05 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:45.05] [Frames: 3155]
[Cell 03] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:10:44.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:12:29.05] [Frames: 22475]

[REECYCUP]

shot in the dark
open movie ifo(ifoedit)
in the top window
select VTS_PGCITI
_________________VTS_PGC_1
scan down to PGC PROGRAM MAP:
does program_1:entry cell number :::: start with 1?

[Sp33d]

Do you want me to open the original IFO or the one after stripping with IFOEdit? I'll do it as soon as I get home from work.

[REECYCUP]

after stripping

[Sp33d]

[000000ea] Cell Position Information Table start byte 708 [02c4]

There is no PGC Command Table

PGC Program Map:
[000000ec] Program_1: Entry cell number 1 [01]
[000000ed] Program_2: Entry cell number 3 [03]
[000000ee] Program_3: Entry cell number 4 [04]

I have some additional information.
I just loaded the VIDEO_TS file into PowerDVD and of course the beginning is cut off. If I rewind right where the movie starts in powerDVD, the rest of the movie is there. I can go all the way back to where it should start. Could it be that the angle confuses powerDVD? Would there still be an angle in the movie if I stripped out the other angle?
This is the part that I think is the problem. I can't format it properly so it may looked messed up.

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [02:00:45.29 / 30 fps]
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] (Angle 1): time: 01:45.05
.
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 10:44.00
.
[Ch 02] [Pg 02][Cell 03] [V/C Id: 2/ 2] : time: 07:48.14
.
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 2/ 3] : time: 09:46.04

[REECYCUP]

did you just remove the vob id your self?
or did you let ifoedit do it?
because it should have taken the reference of the angle out of the ifo

[Sp33d]

I used IFOedit like I normally do. I selected VOBId's 3,4,6. 4 is the main movie. 3 is the english angle right at the beginning and 6 is the english credits. I ended up editing the ifo to get it to work right in PowerDVD. I'll have to try it in a standalone to see if it really works. Basically what I did was change the angle type from 87 to 8. I don't know what that does but all the other cells were 8 and the one that concerned me said 87. So I changed it. It worked in PowerDVD so who knows.

[REECYCUP]

yeah it looked like you removed the id and not the angle
thats why i let ifoedit strip the angle

[bobeuchre]

i wont pretent to understand all the stuff you have mentioned but i do know this, that when i tried to re-encode this dvd i had a audio sync problem
what i did to fix this and i have done other times befor is chop off the start or atleast the junk befor the actual start of the movie
i did this with dvd2avi, once i got rid of what you called the two angle part i could encode it properly

[2COOL]

First of all, I'd like to say that Spirited Away is an awesome movie. I just did it last week. I wish I had documented how I did it though. Anyway, there was 2 angles in this movie and for me to get rid of that, I used IFoedit 0.91 instead of 0.95. It seems 0.95 had a bug on angles not being detected and option is greyed out. Angle 1 is selected as default when you check to keep angle.

For anyone's information, I did this backup a little different. I did a movie only with keeping only the chapter selection menu and subtitle menu. I decided to keep the English subtitle and the subtitle menu can only be accessed by pressing your subtitle button on your remote and I had also set my chapter selection menu as my pseudo root menu. Since, I had my movie starting upon insert, pressing my Root Menu button will bring up my chapter selection menu. Pressing Root Menu button again during this time will resume play at last watched scene. Since the movie alone was too big, I had used DVD95Copy to shrink it down to size after my IFoedit changes. Pretty cool I must say.:D

[psxzombie]

"YOU are lucky! I, John Frickin' Lasseter, have single handedly brought this movie to the US, so I can capitalize off Miyazaki San!" :devil:

Please, spare me, so of course I stripped that part.

First of all, the second angle has English.
Using IFOEdit .96 beta (I know, why didn't I use .95), the last 2 chapters (16,17) have two angles. After stripping angle 2, the chapters are deleted.

Does anyone have any suggestions how to correct this? I tried adding chapters into the IFo, but I have not done this successfully.

[influenza]

I did this title some time back and did a complete backup by the way (kept all angles and extras).

What was odd about it was that in my ifo (R1 version) there was no vobid to be found, but when I used doitfast4u vobid1 popped up. But this vobid1 was just the same as the end credits, which was kind of strange.

But anyway when I reauthored it I started with vobid2 and left vobid1 out completely. Everything works like a charm.

[psxzombie]

Sp33d,

Are you using:
Vob Extras, Remove Angles, Keep Angle 2?
or are you manually Unchecking the vobid's related to Angle 1?

ok, I figured out what to do about my question above.
It seems IfoEdit deletes the Chapter number along with the VobId Angle that you want to delete. For example, (very roughly) suppose you want to keep Angle 2. (BTW, all of Miyazaki's animes are like this, where Angle 1 is Japanese and Angle 2 is English)

ORIGINAL
[ch 1][pg 1][cell 1] VobId 1: Angle 1
[pg 2][cell 2] VobId 2: Angle 2

EDITED
[pg 1][cell 1] VobId 1: Angle 1
[ch 1][pg 2][cell 2] VobId 2: Angle 2

Then proceed with Remove Angles, Keep Angle 2.

Sorry, for all those who already figured this out.

[mikewillnot]

2COOL:

Interesting process. I ran the film through DVDshrink, stripping out everything but the movie and the one audio track, and had to go to level 5 (25%) to get it down to size. The result was significantly decreased quality, even just on the PC screen, and I'm thinking to go to a split instead. How were the compression results you got?

[2COOL]

Originally posted by mikewillnot
2COOL:

Interesting process. I ran the film through DVDshrink, stripping out everything but the movie and the one audio track, and had to go to level 5 to get it down to size. The result was significantly decreased quality, even just on the PC screen, and I'm thinking to go to a split instead. How were the compression results you got? I have to go find it among my stack of DVDs but to the best of my knowledge, it was at least better than what you have. I'd say the video quality was very good.

[mikewillnot]

I'm trying to run this flick through Shrink 3.0 beta 5. It's quite different from 2.3, and I can't find good help, so I have 2 questions:

1. In 2.3, reauthor mode, the lower-right pane offered titles to choose from, including 2 versions of Title 1: Title 1, and Title 1 (angle 2). I know that angle 2 is the English version of this flick, and with 2.3 I could drag that title into the DVD window for reauthoring. With 3.0, reauthor, I don't see two versions of Title 1, or any means of selecting one angle versus another. The backup came out with the japanese version, too. How can I point it to Angle 2?

2. Does deep analysis make that much difference in quality? 2COOL, what's your experience? And was there any deep analysis function available in 2.3?

THANKS FOR ANY HELP, including pointers to other resources.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by mikewillnot
2. Does deep analysis make that much difference in quality? 2COOL, what's your experience? And was there any deep analysis function available in 2.3? Hmmm...I might go back and revisit this movie and maybe I'll come up with a cheat sheet.

[mikewillnot]

I just ran it again through DVD Shrink, 3.0 beta 5, with deep analysis, movie only, English sound only, 25% compression. The quality looks good. I ran it again through IFOedit, and stripped out the movie, to put all the extras & menus on another disc. Works for MY kid, anyway. I'd find your cheat sheet very interesting & educational, of course, should you find the ambition to write one. REGARDS!

[2COOL]

This is how I did this movie and with menus. Here's the cheat sheet (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61362). Enjoy!:D