How to keep movie AND chapter selection menu(s)

[scorpio61]

I have several concert videos and would like to retain just the concert and the selection menu so I can just from one song to another, without having to refer back to the case. I'd like to put in the disc and have the concert start, but if I hit the menu button on my remote, it would jump to the "scene selection" menu.

I'm fairly educated with the use of IFOedit but there is something in my brain process that is missing and I have been unable to figure this out. I searched but did not see anything relevant. So now I ask for help. I'm sure there are enough brilliant minds out there to figure a way.

Thanks in advance!

Rob

[2COOL]

Click the bulleye in my sig below. Look for "DVD95Copy Movie With Chapter Menu as Default Main Menu" in MY TIPS, TRICKS, & TECHNIQUES section

The steps you need to be concerned about is 2 thru 8.

Also, my other guide on "Keeping Bonus Materials Only and Menu" could be used too. Just substitute your Chapter Scene Menu for the Bonus Materials Menu.

If you want to have your concert playing upon DVD insert, you have to edit your first "jump" command in your First Play PGC to jump to your title.

Reply back with your results.

[scorpio61]

Well, we're getting there slowly. I pretty much followed the steps and got the concert dvd to start with the actual concert. Incidentally, the dvd is Alice Cooper: Brutally Live. I can later remove the audio and angles I don't want. I applied the PUP's to eliminate any navigation except for Subpicture. Which for some reason, is the menu selection that takes me to the song selections. Everything is working in DVD Play mode, and via PowerDVD. Chapter menu under DVD Play takes me to the Special Features page of the DVD.

However, I need to somehow map over the functions of the ROOT MENU, to go to the same Title and Title Set that the subpicture menu takes me to. I'm a little unsure of what all needs to be changed. Do I point the Root Menu's cell position to the same as the Subpicture? I would ideally like to press Menu on the remote, and get to the Song Selection Page. If nothing is selected, and I hit Menu again, it would take me back to where the DVD was already playing. Don't know if that is getting overlly complicated, but it's my hope.

Thanks!

[2COOL]

I hope I understood you correctly. Correct me in your reply if I got this wrong. You have a Subpicture or SubTitle Menu with a button to jump to your Song Selection page? Is this Song Selection page residing in it's own PGC-Menu? If so, you should have a (LinkPGC) Link PGC #, which is your Song Selection PGC-Menu, in your PGC-Menu_1 or root menu. Or does that Song Selection menu reside in a cell in the same program chain as your SubPicture?

I may have another workaround which I haven't brought to the forum yet. I was working on and off on a guide on fixing non-working menu buttons on your remote. Though, I can't go into full details, it MAY be useful in this situation but it can only work if the menus and movie are residing in the same titleset.

[scorpio61]

I think we are on the same page. When I hit DVD Play in IFOedit, and then hit the Subp Menu button, I jump to the "Scene Selection" menu (1 of 2). Both the movie (concert) and all menus are contained in the same Title Set. In this case, Title Set 2 (VTS_2_x). Title Set 1 contains the FBI Warning, and a bonus feature video. I found 7 PCG-Menus listed under the VTSM_PGCI_UT section. The following PRE and POST commands were found under the PGC-MENU_1 (Root Menu).

[000000f4] 1.Pre Command (SetHL_BTNN) Set Button Nr: (set-val) 4
[000000fc] 1.Post Command (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, button 0

I found a work-around, and that was to change the

Menu_1: VTSM_PGCI start byte 64 [00000040] (root menu)

to match the

Menu_2: VTSM_PGCI start byte 354 [00000040] (subpicture)

When playing in IFOedit, it works perfectly. The Root Menu is the only available PUP and pressing it takes you to the song selection. A second press returns you to the video. However, in PowerDVD, pressing the menu button a second time did not return me to the video.

I also noticed than when I ran the finished IFO files/VOB files through DVD2ONE, I seem to have ripped out all entries in the VTSM_PGCI_UT table. So basically, all my menus were gone. I'll need to find a way to re-encode that does not delete these entries. I'll try DVDshrink and see if that works.

I'm curious to hear about your non=working menu buttons guide.

Thanks!

[2COOL]

OK...here's some tidbit of the guide. I don't know if PAL DVDs had a different values for the one we need to change but since I see that you are in the states, you're definitely NTSC. Just like me.

In the same section of where all your start bytes were, edit your Menu_2 value as follows

Menu_2: VTSM_PGC Category Menu mask.....131

Now if you go to this Title set's VTS Overview / Menu Language Unit, you should see two root menus. Go back and change your Menu_1's value to zero so that you would only have one root menu. You should also change back your Menu_1's VTSM_PGCI start byte back to it's original value of 64.

Give a try and let me know what it does in PowerDVD.

[scorpio61]

When I made that change, the ROOT menu does toggle back and forth, the way I want, but unfortunatly, it is taking me to the actual ROOT menu (play, song selection, bonus features, setup). A mask of 131 for Menu_2 PGC is the same as what I have for Menu_1 PGC. I even went back to my original IFOs and used them, so that nothing I had done before might impact the issue.

And unfortunatly, PowerDVD did not toggle like IFOedit's DVD Play does. I can't say how my stand alone dvd player will respond.

I'm curious to know what those mask indicate.

Rob

[mpucoder]

It's not a mask, but a value. 131 (for VTSM_PGC) means this is the root menu for the titleset. You can see all the values at http://www.mpucoder.com/DVD/ifo_vts.html#pgciut
look at the last table in that section, it is the breakdown of the PGC_category.

btw, if you want this menu to be activated with the subp menu button, the value should be 132. Also make sure the language unit menu present flags (byte 3) are correct when you finish.

[scorpio61]

If I understand that correctly, a mask of 134 would be as follows:

1 = Entry PGC 1 = Entry PGC
3 = Reserved 3 = Reserved
4 = Subpicture 4 = Angle

1 = Entry PGC 1 = Entry PGC
3 = Reserved 3 = Reserved
1 = ??? 2 = ???

Guess I don't understand what this is really doing. On this dvd I have 7 menus and they are defined as:

PGC-Menu_1 (Root menu)
PGC-Menu_2 (Subpicture menu)
PGC-Menu_3 (Angle menu)
PGC-Menu_4 (Chapter menu)
PGC-Menu_5
PGC-Menu_6
PGC-Menu_7

But as I look through the table, the masks are as follows:

PGC-Menu_1 is 131
PGC-Menu_2 is 132
PGC-Menu_3 is 134
PGC-Menu_4 is 135
and the rest are 0.

But this doesn't seem to jive with the table from your link (menu type (entry only) 3 = root, 4 = sub-picture, 5 = audio, 6 = angle, 7 = PTT (chapter)).

I'm not sure if I'm understanding this better, or getting more confused. :)

[2COOL]

Okay, I took a step back and looked at your previous posts replies. It seems you haven't done the edits as required.

In your 3rd post, you posted this...

1.Pre Command (SetHL_BTNN) Set Button Nr: (set-val) 4
1.Post Command (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, button 0

In Step 5 of my DVD95Copy Movie With Chapter Menu as Default Main Menu (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48476), you should've edited your Pre Command #1 in your PGC-Menu_1 (root menu) to jump to your Sub-Picture PGC-Menu, which is also PGC-Menu_2.

Reverting back to your original configuration, perform the edit below to your first Pre Command and let me know how it went. Right click on line and select (LinkPGCN) Link PGC and set PGC Nr to 2. Save IFO when done.

OLD > 1.Pre Command (SetHL_BTNN) Set Button Nr: (set-val) 4
NEW > 1.Pre Command (LinkPGCN) Link PGC 2

Doing this, when you access your root menu, it'll immediately make a jump again to your subtitle menu, which is PGC-Menu 2.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by scorpio61
But as I look through the table, the masks are as follows:

PGC-Menu_1 is 131
PGC-Menu_2 is 132
PGC-Menu_3 is 134
PGC-Menu_4 is 135
and the rest are 0.


According to the table...

0 = menu type (entry only)
3 = root
4 = sub-picture
5 = audio
6 = angle
7 = PTT (chapter)

131 through 135 are decimal values and the hex values are stated below.

0 = 0
131 = 83
132 = 84
133 = 85
134 = 86
135 = 87

Now, I'm still trying to understand the table myself so mpucoder, if you're reading this, correct me if I'm off-base.

The "8" in your hex value is your "offset" byte and the 3 to 7, are your bytes for your menus.

[mpucoder]

Bit 7 set means the PGC is an entry PGC. While all PGCs can be entered via jump, call, or link commands (known as jlc's) Entry PGCs in VGM or VTSM can also be entered by menu type. Also VTS PGCs use this bit to denote PGCs which can be entered by title number. If the bit is clear, the only way to execute the PGC is by it's number (PGCN).

What is confusing people, I think, is IfoEdit's interpretation, by showing "(entry only)" all the time - that note in the chart means the field, in this case the menu type, is valid for Entry PGCs only (if bit 7 is "0" the field does not exist). There is no 0 value. Also IfoEdit refers to each PGC as Menu #, when it should be PGCN. Menues are not numbered, PGCs are.

So, for the VTSM, the values are as follows:
0 - not an entry PGC, it may be a submenu or a dummy PGC.
131 (0x83) - Root Menu
132 (0x84) - SubPicture Menu
133 (0x85) - Audio Menu
134 (0x86) - Angle Menu
135 (0x87) - Chapter Menu

Of course, the menu can actually have or do anything you want, the type only determines what button activates the menu. There can only be one menu of each type, and the menu present flags must reflect which menues are there to work correctly. Stating that a menu is present when it is not can cause the player to hang. Stating that a menu is not present when it is can lock out the associated button.

Now, if you want to go a little further, the only menu type for VMGM is 2, Title Menu (sometimes called the volume root menu). And VTS Entry PGCs are by title number.

[2COOL]

Thanks for the interpretation!:D I bet it crossed your mind when someone was ever going to bring this subject up. I was exploring this in IFOedit one day when I noticed that some of my buttons were not working even when my P-UOPs for my menus were not.

[scorpio61]

2COOL,

Just wanted to give you an update. The edits are working perfectly when previewing the movie in IFOedit. They don't work in PowerDVD the same, but I burned a test copy and they perform perfectly on my standalone. We're getting very close.

My only issue now is ripping out all the un-wanted audio track and the angles, then compressing it down to fit on a blank. I've tried different methods using DVDshrink and IFOedit and DVD2ONE and DVD95COPY but haven't quite got the right combination.

I'm sure I'll get it right, but if you have any suggestions, I'm open to them. You've been a great help and I appreciate it.

Rob

[2COOL]

Well, my two guides I provided to you were strictly using DVD95Copy. Did you do step 1 and read it's notes before using the other guide? Before I started to work on the Chapter Menu project, I wanted to get all the stripping and shrinking out of the way. So in that other guide, it calls for you to process through DVD95Copy if movie is too big so you'll have the option to strip any unwanted audios or subtitles. I didn't have any problems with having angles in my movie but if you decide to remove any, use IFOedit 0.91 prior to using DVD95Copy. Version .95 had a bug with the angle option greyed out.