Im alphatester for IC7 - tell me your IC wishes

[toolman2k]

hi all,

im an alpha/beta tester of Instantcopy.i have to look up bugs and stuff, but i can also present them a list of most wanted things.....i think they'll listen cause i talked to a dev guy of IC and they knwo about the competition, so they understand thay have to listen to you guys.

so please tell me what features ud like to see or stuff that needs fixing...i will present it to the dev team then.

[djadjet]

Check this out.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49907

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by djadjet
Check this out.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49907

thank you i didnt know that! but maybe this a place for more bug fix request and other features wanted not listed there :)

[int 21h]

Resize % based on PGC instead of TitleSet.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by int 21h
Resize % based on PGC instead of TitleSet.

so you mean that it sees the individual pgcs of a titleset instead of titleset as a whole ?

[int 21h]

Well right now, lets say IC lists 14 Titles, and 3 of those 'titles' are really just different PGCs in one VobSet, any % you set on one of those 3 will apply to all 3, not just the one you change. So each or 'Title' (in IC) should be seperate... This may not happen on all movies, but I did notice it happens on The Count of Monte Cristo R1. The net result is that you cannot individually resize specific segments of the extras.

[int 21h]

Also, an advanced option to output VOB files would be nice. That way we could do additional editing on the IFOs without extracting the files.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by int 21h
Also, an advanced option to output VOB files would be nice. That way we could do additional editing on the IFOs without extracting the files.

yes output both iso image and dvd files....that i think is needed too....all that fiddling with tools to check your title is stupid...and then u can choose any prog to burn :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by toolman2k
hi all,

im an alpha/beta tester of Instantcopy.i have to look up bugs and stuff, but i can also present them a list of most wanted things.....i think they'll listen cause i talked to a dev guy of IC and they knwo about the competition, so they understand thay have to listen to you guys.

so please tell me what features ud like to see or stuff that needs fixing...i will present it to the dev team then.
didn't do a very good job then did you :D, or have u just started?

You don't even have to ask, cos surely you just gotta browse the forum (and others) and also check these threads cos there's plenty to fix

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/sizing.htm

http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/read_messages.asp?WebboardID=1&ForumID=877&SectionID=170&ThreadID=136363&ThreadStart=0&Pos=1&cntThread=124&lng=1

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=282705#post282705

hope you can help

cheers :)

[MackemX]

if you can fix the following it would be great

1.obviously the undersizing and the effect that black bars also have on undersizing
2.it crashes when it comes to a long period of very dark scenes or low bitrates
3.the IFO issue, instead of removing all PGC info leave a blank with a dummy entry to ensure playback on any player
4. retain all original VOB's and if one is totally deleted leave a blank VOB instead. If the VIDEO_TS.IFO is there keep it also as sometimes it is removed
5. the size of title is reported incorrect when there is a very small entry in the 1st PGC causing IC to ignore the remaining PGC's and affecting endresult filesize
6. the Cancel button should have a 'are you sure you wanna cancel' option cos when u minimize the window it pops up after every title and can quite easily be cancelled if you are typing at the time
7. the option to output in a VIDEO_TS folder also and not PDI due to burning problems
8. when automatic box is selected, you can still adjust the % slider bar and its not greyed out

there's plenty more :)

p.s. any tester jobs going :D

p.p.s. int 21h, I was under the impression you were a diehard CCE as it was much better quality, so why be bothered about IC? :)

[mikegun]

hi,
it is true that there are probs if there are multiple pgcs
in one set.
say:
pgc1 = main movie
pgc2 = trailer
pgc3 = logo

if you set pgc1 to 100% and any of the other pgcs to some lower rate, IC will transcode all of the 3 pgcs including
the main movie

regards,

mike

[jfcarbel]

Here is my contribution in order of importance:

1. Resizing more correctly to 4.3GB
2. VIDEO_TS output
3. Fix index out of bounds errors with IFPOEdit edited files
4. Slider on preview pane (to jump thru video rather then just play button)

Pie-in-the-sky:
An online system that identifies the DVD and provides descriptions for each title (i.e. FBI, menu, episode 1).

[toolman2k]

thanks all of u for your input, please keep em coming! i know there are other threads but i dont have time to read them all.thats why id like to have it all in this post.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by MisterX

p.p.s. int 21h, I was under the impression you were a diehard CCE as it was much better quality, so why be bothered about IC? :)

I was under the impression the starter of this thread was seeking genuine suggestions to improve IC, therefore, I put forth those suggestions.

[FH2]

Originally posted by int 21h
Well right now, lets say IC lists 14 Titles, and 3 of those 'titles' are really just different PGCs in one VobSet, any % you set on one of those 3 will apply to all 3, not just the one you change. So each or 'Title' (in IC) should be seperate... This may not happen on all movies, but I did notice it happens on The Count of Monte Cristo R1. The net result is that you cannot individually resize specific segments of the extras.

I think it's not always possible so seperate one PGC from another, because they only refer to VOB IDs, but a VOB ID could be referred by more than one PGC.

I had a movie containing both normal version and directors cut within one Title Set. It had 2 PGCs, one consists of VOB ID 1,2,3,4,5.... up to the end, the another one of VOB ID 1,2,4,5,... missing some VOB IDs. So if I could reduce the quality of PGC2 this would also affect PGC1.

Sometimes it's even more complicated regarding to extras: One case i've just had yesterday: A title Set of 3 PGCs, using VOB ID [2,3,4],[1,4],[1,2,3,4]. So there's no way to reduce one PGC without having affecting the other ones.

[mikegun]

ok, agreed, but in some cases (my case e.g.) each pgc refered to a single (different) vob id.

[monomer]

I'm easy to please...
...just get it to size a little closer to 4.37Gb... say between 4.2Gb and 4.37Gb This would be excellent!

[deano72]

One simple addition would be nice.....auto powerdown pc, so you can leave it go whilst in bed! I know it is only 2 hours tops, but you can then start one off before you go.
cheers,
Deano72

[jippiejajee]

I would like to use IC7 to transcode mpg2 files in order to reduce size for various reasons, currently IC7 only accepts DVD files sets (ifo's and vob's) and produces ifo and vob's. As vob's and mpg2 files are not that different it should be not to difficult to include this in IC7.
The transcoding goes much faster as encoding to lower bitrate. Think there are quite some people out there who would like this feature to modify size of their own captures clips and as such could increase sales of this product...

Jippie

[jippiejajee]

@daeno72
In the registry settings there is a line mentioning
ShutDownAfterWrite default it is set to false
probably it will do what you want if set to true

the key is in \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\VOB\CD Wizard\7.0

never tried it myself

[deano72]

jippiejajee,
i don't use instantcopy to write to dvdr, so do you think this value is write to harddrive or to dvdr?
I am going to test it now, since i am currently doing a backup of one of my titles to try.
cheers,
deano72

[jippiejajee]

deano72
sorry but I don't know, as said never tried it myself

[deano72]

After first test of making power off after write true, the pc did not shut down....:(

[jippiejajee]

did you reboot after making the change in the registry ?

[deano72]

tried that, but will try again

[toolman2k]

thanks to all for your replies.I will include them in my report.Please feel free to put more requests here if u feel like it.

[adam]

This probably won't be such a popular idea but personally, I think a nice feature in IC7, or any other all-in-one type program, would be an option to resize the resolution of the streams. I like to keep all the extra's, but I don't need them to be great quality, so I usually manually encode in CCE at 352x480 ~1MBit, and get roughly VCDish quality. Using IC7 to compress the extra's to this size results in absolutely unwatchable quality but I'm sure it wouldn't be so bad at a lower resolution.

I guess resizing resolution isn't possible in a transcoder?

[Regrett]

The ability to remove actual menus.


The example I am thinking of is from Disney movies. A lot of them have both the Full and Wide version, with a menu you letting you choose. It would be great to remove that menu if you only kept one the two. It would directly play the movie instead of coming to the menu.

[mrbass]

Originally posted by Regrett
The ability to remove actual menus.


The example I am thinking of is from Disney movies. A lot of them have both the Full and Wide version, with a menu you letting you choose. It would be great to remove that menu if you only kept one the two. It would directly play the movie instead of coming to the menu.

You can do that with dvdshrink and dvdtoolbox both are free...works on tons of Disney movies.

[Prosper]

A minor tweak: put a checkbox/button on the progess window to en/disable preview when encoding.

[toolman2k]

hi all again,

thanks for the input, this weekend i will present my report to pinnacle dev team, inlcuding all your input, ordered from urgent to not that urgent requests.....

i cant say much about my alpha testing results, because im under strict contract....but i can say that im very pleased with the new size results.ive done about 10 movies now, all with different amount of menus extras,sizes,compression and lenghts...and well.....the final out comes very close to what u set,or sometimes even exactly what you set.so thats good.but i cant say more....just know they are working on many things and IC will improve in time, maybe into the best all round, easy to use tool for 90% of the titles.

ok please keep your requests coming.

[mrbass]

That is awesome news toolman2k. Thanks for taking our input and prioritizing it that helps what gets put on the agenda quicker sometimes...cool.

[jfcarbel]

1) display of total projected size of video and total actual (does not include deselected titles)

2) text files that write to a directory that record encoding parameters for later reference.

It should keep track of:
- project name (i.e. Terminator 2: SE)
- start and end date/time
- total size of video actual vs projected vs final
- projected size and actual final PDI size
- deselected titles and audio
- selected titles and audio
- compression percentages for each title

Basically I would use these for future reference on how to encode other titles and may include the file on the DVD so I know what quality level it was encoded at.

Also would like the option to import back in these parameters. For example say the size turned out too big and I wanted to redo it. Rather than redoing all my setting of parameters, I could import the old ones by project name and then tweak one of the title sets and restart. This would save alot of time.

[Allistah]

Toolman2k,

Can you tell us if any of the 10 movies you did that came out very close to what you set in IC were 2.35:1 aspect ratio? ;-)

[mrbass]

setting DVDSaveQuality to 0 and slider to 4.5GB I have gotten
I stripped all of these with DVDToolbox (main movie only)

Forest Gump 4.34GB
Gladiator 4.34GB
Saving Private Ryan 4.36GB
Spirited Away 4.09GB
Shawshank Redemption 4.30GB
Monsoon Wedding (was oversized so had to set DVDSaveQuality to 6 and set slider to 4.32GB...which is the default of IC) and it came out to 4.36GB...

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
1) display of total projected size of video and total actual (does not include deselected titles)

2) text files that write to a directory that record encoding parameters for later reference.

No.1 excellent idea
No.2 also good idea, cos when you press cancel during processing it defaults back to 4.31 :mad:

but if you have Excel, just use this this for now. I used it all the time and it made life so much easier. It can take as little as 10 mins to fix on oversize sometimes rather than do a full 2nd run again

as for sizing, still a guessing game but has anyone ever got 4.38GB from IC and got it on a DVD-R, or an average of say 4.35GB?

easy when you know how :D

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by Allistah
Toolman2k,

Can you tell us if any of the 10 movies you did that came out very close to what you set in IC were 2.35:1 aspect ratio? ;-)

they were ALL widescreen movies....but i have to say that dvdsavequality was set to 1%....i havent tested with the default 6%.for example, I tried S1mone (loveley lady btw :) ), i had set it to 4.40GB to compensate for the undersizing that may occur....but it came out 4.40GB....so i put it down to 4.38...but it came out 4.38...so then i put it at 4.35 (just to be sure i got it right this time)...and it came out 4.35.wihtout any excel sheet.

I have to say that on most movies it was off a little, but never too big.i would say the max undersize would be 100MB.

[MackemX]

were they 1.85:1 or 2.35:1?

and were they anamorphic or letterbox?

we wanna know about the 2.35:1 movies like Road to Perdition etc, that even when you set them to 99.90 it still undersized and finished up at around 3.5Gb

cheers

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by MisterX
were they 1.85:1 or 2.35:1?

and were they anamorphic or letterbox?

we wanna know about the 2.35:1 movies like Road to Perdition etc, that even when you set them to 99.90 it still undersized and finished up at around 3.5Gb

cheers

they were all 2.35:1 and anamorphic (im not watching anything else on me home theatre :) )

[MackemX]

any chance you can tell us which ones please and if you did 1:1 :)

cos Road to Perdition if you kept the movie only it undersized no matter what you did and always came out at around 75% reduction even if you tried it any higher righto upto 99.90%

but if you kept extras and were forced to set it to 75% or less it came out just fine

The longer the movie the lower the % would be before you are affected

sorry about all the questions :)

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by MisterX
any chance you can tell us which ones please and if you did 1:1 :)

cos Road to Perdition if you kept the movie only it undersized no matter what you did and always came out at around 75% reduction even if you tried it any higher righto upto 99.90%

but if you kept extras and were forced to set it to 75% or less it came out just fine

The longer the movie the lower the % would be before you are affected

sorry about all the questions :)

i didnt do any of them 1:1...I always had to strip audio/subs to get any reasonable quality.I did s1mone, panic room, royal tenenbaums,bourne identity,big trouble,the others,the pianist and some others...buti usually aim for 75% or more for main movie.

btw road to perdition PAL can fit exactly on a dvd-r with just the movie,5.1 track and subs.I did this one also, movie only, thought ia had to re-encode to make it fit...but i noticed filesize being about 4.699999999 (or something like that).

[MackemX]

thanks

I used Region 1 which was 4.44Gb and needed reducing and that's how IC was undersized cos of the black bars. I cannot speak for others as I have always kept extras so was never really troubled by undersizing

any ideas on the version you are playing with will be released or is it top secret? :(

cheers

[toolman2k]

i dont know, but its alpha so it goes beta first...then its released...i dont have access to release info, im just a tester:)

[Arianos]

@ toolman2k:
I'm sure you've seen this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46701
So far it was a harmless little bug, and the missing VIDEO_TS.VOB didn't matter on most tabletops. Plus, one could put in the original, provided he used PDItools...
Here is a little picture to send to Pinnacle.
http://users.otenet.gr/~prplasma/Duane/IC7bug.png
DVD: ET The Extraterestrial, disc 1, R2, English, Turkish, Greek
Left folder: Original
Middle folder : DVD2ONE 1.12 4,35 GB (4.681.881.600 bytes)
Right folder: IC7 4,34 GB (4.662.501.376 bytes)

As you can see, this time IC7 decided that almost 300MBs were not needed, resulting in a mess.
Of course, I cannot put in the original VIDEO_TS.VOB.
You decide whether it's a bug or not.

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by Arianos
@ toolman2k:
I'm sure you've seen this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46701
So far it was a harmless little bug, and the missing VIDEO_TS.VOB didn't matter on most tabletops. Plus, one could put in the original, provided he used PDItools...
Here is a little picture to send to Pinnacle.
http://users.otenet.gr/~prplasma/Duane/IC7bug.png
DVD: ET The Extraterestrial, disc 1, R2, English, Turkish, Greek
Left folder: Original
Middle folder : DVD2ONE 1.12 4,35 GB (4.681.881.600 bytes)
Right folder: IC7 4,34 GB (4.662.501.376 bytes)

As you can see, this time IC7 decided that almost 300MBs were not needed, resulting in a mess.
Of course, I cannot put in the original VIDEO_TS.VOB.
You decide whether it's a bug or not.

Since that is a copyrighted DVD, Pinnacle will not even look at the bug. You need to reproduce the bug with a dvd that isn't copyrighted.

[Arianos]

Since that is a copyrighted DVD, Pinnacle will not even look at the bug. You need to reproduce the bug with a dvd that isn't copyrighted.

Such as? All commercial DVDs, AFAIK, are copyrighted. The only not copyrighted DVD I own, is my son's wedding!
Besides it's a confirmed bug, although random, of a personal backup that prevents backing up, as the thus produced backup is either "unburnable" or "unplayable".
Anyway, as you can see in the attached picture, DVD2ONE did a better job, structure-wise, so for me, there is no problem.

useless information:
The ommited VOB had the bonus menu, AND the contents of VTS_2 (an introduction by Steven Spielberg 117MBs) , but without sound!
Strange....

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Arianos
useless information:
The ommited VOB had the bonus menu, AND the contents of VTS_2 (an introduction by Steven Spielberg 117MBs) , but without sound!
Strange.... priceless information as that's where the bug lies :D

how big did IC report all the menu's being and is it correct?

Back To The Future DVD's have exactly the same VTS_TS.VOB, where you have part of another VOB with no sound (Universal)

basically it's just a dummy entry and IC ignores it. It's not a random bug, it's the bug that plagues IC as it cannot see the true contents of a DVD due to it's reading of IFO's

to fix this, just open the VIDEO_TS.IFO and click Menu Extras and keep the VOB ID's you do actually want and it will get rid of the dummy entry cos you don't need it (obviously keep the hiden menu)

Open IC and see how big it now sees the menu. process IC but just keep the menu and one of the titles both at 100% and see if it keeps it. If it does then try it again with the menu @70% but keep the title @100%

if it works you know it's sorted, if not then try a Get VTS as sometimes these dummy entries fool IC and doing that will fix it so IC can see it's true size and structure (you may need that because of hidden menu)

and try reducing just the menu again

it can be done and chances are it will be Get VTS Sectors that will fix it

p.s. Is it the 20th Anniversary edition?. What's the DVD number & Region?

[Arianos]

I'll follow the suggestions when i get home, just out of curiosity.
Yes, it's the 20th Anniversary edition, region 2.
DVD number, also when I get home :)

[MackemX]

ok, I can attain that version also cos it will probably be the same one and I'll too have a little play just outta curiosity

number is 9052169 by the way, just checked and it's also a Universal release like BTTF DVD's

[Arianos]

how big did IC report all the menu's being and is it correct?
-It identifies 4TitleSets, which are estimated correctly- the same, before and after your "suggested procedure" (see below)

Back To The Future DVD's have exactly the same VTS_TS.VOB, where you have part of another VOB with no sound (Universal)
-As you said, it's a Universal release, exactly as you describe.

basically it's just a dummy entry and IC ignores it. It's not a random bug, it's the bug that plagues IC as it cannot see the true contents of a DVD due to it's reading of IFO's
to fix this, just open the VIDEO_TS.IFO and click Menu Extras and keep the VOB ID's you do actually want and it will get rid of the dummy entry cos you don't need it (obviously keep the hiden menu)
Open IC and see how big it now sees the menu. process IC but just keep the menu and one of the titles both at 100% and see if it keeps it. If it does then try it again with the menu @70% but keep the title @100%
if it works you know it's sorted, if not then try a Get VTS as sometimes these dummy entries fool IC and doing that will fix it so IC can see it's true size and structure (you may need that because of hidden menu)
and try reducing just the menu again
it can be done and chances are it will be Get VTS Sectors that will fix it
--Whoa boy!! I don't wanna do it all over again!. My PC is NOT that fast :)
I Vobratored the VIDEO_TS.VOB, whereas it had 6 IDs. The dummy was ID6, 292.977KBs. Got rid of it, Now VIDEO_TS. is ...284 KBs, put it back in "encoded" folder, everything works, so I'm happy. VTS sectors doesn't change anything.
Replaced original vob, got VTS sectors, nothing changed
Also IC7 doesn't change anything in it's parameters, before and after the operation. Sorry, but I'm not in the mood for further exploring ... :(

p.s. Is it the 20th Anniversary edition?. What's the DVD number & Region?
DVD ID ET(B46C87B9)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Arianos

--Whoa boy!! I don't wanna do it all over again!. My PC is NOT that fast :)
I Vobratored the VIDEO_TS.VOB, whereas it had 6 IDs. The dummy was ID6, 292.977KBs. Got rid of it, Now VIDEO_TS. is ...284 KBs, put it back in "encoded" folder, everything works, so I'm happy. VTS sectors doesn't change anything.
Replaced original vob, got VTS sectors, nothing changed
Also IC7 doesn't change anything in it's parameters, before and after the operation. Sorry, but I'm not in the mood for further exploring ... :(

I just mean't doing the menu and the relevant titles need to get to main menu at 100% and see what happened. only takes a few mins to copy it

at least you know for next time. I can't understand why Universal waste 200MB's plus tho can you?

[mpucoder]

Originally posted by MisterX
I can't understand why Universal waste 200MB's plus tho can you?

It's like the hologram on Windows2K disks, or some credit cards. It's presence indicates the genuine article.

I don't know why IC would get messed up by it, though. What is not referenced in the ifo can not be played.

[thop]

atm my only wish is that this issue gets fixed:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49415

[thop]

also please tell to developers to patch the next patch so that some people can install 7.02 on their machines and it won't say "no installation of IC found" ... also taking a look in pinnacles own support(!) forum is probably a good idea, as the patch bug is reported there in like every 2nd post.