RealVideo 9 vs XviD

[Sirber]

With both codecs, aimed to produce a 20MB file with the original ending of "Army of Darkness".

Here's the settings for both codecs.

I used AutoRV9 1.2 and AutoDub 1.7.5
Audio: 96kbps Cook and 96kbps Vorbis
Video: ~500kbps
RV9: all by default
XviD: VHQ-1, MPEG Quants, QPel, the rest by default, Lastest Nic's build
Filters:
Inverse Telecine: DeComb
Resize: Neutral Bicubic, at 640x

Results:
RealVideo 9:

Sound is OK as usual. For the video, because the film was noisy, things are a little blured when it's dark, but nice in plain light. Borders are a little moving when the camera move.

Overal visual quality is 9/10.
Overal sound quality is 10/10.

Encoding speed:
1) ~8 FPS
2) ~10 FPS

XviD:
Holy God! With no post-processing, the clip is really blocky and blocs on faces moves wiedly. There is the same thing around objects. For the sound, Vorbis miss the high-freq... things, and is not as rich as RealAudio.

Overal visual quality is 5/10.
Overal sound quality is 7/10.

Encoding speed:
1) ~8 FPS
2) ~9 FPS

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Conclusion:
Real's codecs are very powerfull and nice to my eyes. I don't know what went wrong with XviD, I have some great rip.

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I'll upload both clips (20 MB each) on a server this weekend, so you'll be able to judge by yourself. I'll post the link maybe Sunday.

[gabest]

As far as I know rm usually perfoms better at lower bitrates like 500kbps, divx/xvid needs 900-1000 or more for a dvdrip. This is only my opinion of course.

[Manao]

Instead of mpeg quant, use H263, use b-frames ( 3,150,150,0 with the last Koepi's build ) and chroma motion, use qpel and lumi masking if you want ( I don't use qpel since in normal movie there is still issues with faces, but the overall quality gain is impressive, for luma masking I made some test and I'm still undecided ). You can use also some postprocessing if the output is blocky

I think the comparison will be a lot fairer to XviD.

@gabest : it depends of the movie, but I would say XviD is now efficient @ 600 kbps. I made a lot of tests with 'Bandits' ( some still scenes, some action scenes,118 minutes, aimed size : 550000K, ie a bitrate of 620 kbps ) and the results were great, without postprocessing. Of course, I use some prefiltering ( deblocking : 4, fluxsmooth (3,3), bilinearresize(640,272), convolution3d(preset="moviehq"),temporalsoften(3,3,3,10,2) and DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)). ( To evaluate the influence of these avisynth settings, with same XviD's settings, a script with only a lanczosresize(640,272) will produce a first pass 60% larger than the first pass done with my script )

[iwod]

Originally posted by gabest
As far as I know rm usually perfoms better at lower bitrates like 500kbps, divx/xvid needs 900-1000 or more for a dvdrip. This is only my opinion of course.

I totally agree........ i will tend to say anything higher than 600 xvid will begin to shine....

And i will always suggest to use post filter for xvid clips......

I am doing a testing on Xvid and RV9 as well.... post my results later...

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Manao
, use H263, use b-frames ( 3,150,150,0 with the last Koepi's build ) and chroma motion

I used bframes, and I don't like H263 because it produce squared results. I made the matrix long ago with MPEG quant and H263, and the MPEG one was better.

For postprocessing, I only use it if the movie is badly encoded. My goal before (When I was using XviD) was to produce an encode that was viewable whitout post-processing. So, for this test, it was plain RealVideo and plain XviD MPEG4.

[deXtoRious]

gonna try a similar test today...

[Manao]

So, for this test, it was plain RealVideo and plain XviD MPEG4.
But you can't have plain rv9, since it's postprocessed. Moreover, not wanting to use deblocking if the output is blocky is kind of contradictory. When I encode to XviD, I also aim for a non blocky result ( lowering res / raising preprocessing / switching to 2 cds if needed ), but if for a reason or another I have to have a blocky result, then I use postprocessing.

For MPEG against H263, it's been a long time since I tryed MPEG quant, so I will make a test to compare.

[Dark-Cracker]

Hi,

@Manao
humm "Bandits" is a very compressible movie (compcheck around 60% for a bitrate at 600 kbps is very good). but with all theses filters (fluxsmooth + convolution + tempsoften + dtc ) i think your encode take much time for a result very smooth .

i someone would made some tests at a very low bitrate it should use the Xvid custom matrix (try the trbarry's matrix : cutoff) without VHQ and with GMC+Qperl+Bframe.

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[Manao]

Never used compcheck, but if I understand well, it's the ratio second-pass size / first-pass size . The first pass size ( filtered ) was 1050000K, and I aimed for 550000K ( compcheck : 53% ). The first-pass size ( unfiltered, with lanczos resize instead of bilinear ) was 1600000K, so the compcheck would have been 35% without filtering. I think with bilinear only, it would have been 1300000K ( 43% ).

I know I use a lot of filtering, and that some of it may have been useless ( temporalsoften especially in this case ). But I wanted mainly to test XviD settings, not filtering, and in a compcheck range ( 50-75 % ) I use when I want to make a DVDrip . So I filtered enough to get a first pass size around 1Gb.

Edited to make it understandable...

[wing1]

IMO xvid and RV9 are running neck to neck regarding quality wise: Rv9 has the filesize advantage, while xvid has the VFW interface advantage. I encode all my clip with the intention of not using any post processing at all, and I do not have any Mblocks with xvid encoding ( recent builds by either uManiac or Koepi ). Rv9 filesize is usually 1/2-3/5 of xvid filesize. I usually aim for 700Mb/74min for all my encoding needs.

[Sirber]

I did a 2h50 movie on 700 Mo with RV9, with a respectable quality. But, for a specific filesize, RealVideo's quality is better. I can't upload my two files this weekend, I'll post them twosday (?) (Mardi en français).

About FVW, what's the goal to use VFW if it's simpler whitout?

[TheXung]

Don't use mpeg quants and b-frames together. While there technically isn't a problem with it, they don't work well in terms of filesize. Remember you said you tested h263 long ago.

And for heaven sakes, turn on chroma motion.

We also don't know if RM does preprocessing or postprocessing or in loop filtering. Seems to me that army of darkness is a rather noisy source.

[iwod]

I don't know should i post it here or in the RV9 information thread. But..

on the topic.
RV9 doesn't scale as well in high bitrate. And in post 700 Kbps xvid outperform RV9 in 2 of my anime encode.
But that is less important.... as that has been the case for a long time. RV9 truely shines when in low bitrate....

However i am concern AND interested in Windows Media Video 9. As now there is a beta which allow them to go inside AVI.

While divx has a new tools to get better encoding with divx files, xvid surely still has tons of improvement to be made. And WMV9 is coming agreesivly as well. I am afraid that Real need to act fast and response to them.............

Edit.... forgot Nerodigital is coming as well...... :D

Edit:

Just found out. Over at Helix community. Helix Producer 9.1 has gone Gold! And there is a new release on Helix DNA client!! So it does seems real are doing something. But i can't find what is new in the release though. May be i need to download it tomorrow on my laptop to check it OUT!!!

[Sirber]

I tryed WMV9. At the same bitrate, RV9 is still better. WMV9 is a living pixel squared party, while RV9 is smooth.

[ookzDVD]

@Sirber,

Thank for your test, I know you are the RV9 fan :)
I believe that the RV9 is better than XviD, at least your test proof it. :)

But I personally prefer to use XviD, don't know why, maybe I'm too stupid or something, but I'm falling in love with XviD :)

You know... when love is the matter I even don't use my brain!

PS : I never rip below than 800kbps, I think you know why :)

[Sirber]

@ookzDVD

You should try it some day. I was a XviD fan before, but I opened my eyes ;) MPEG4 is better than RV9 for high bitrate, like 1200kbps+, but my goal is to produce a long movie on one CD. The only I made on two CD is LOTR: Special Edition. 3h45 is a little too much for a CD :). I made the first CD in XviD, because I tought to make it in XviD first. There was motion effect and some square. It was the motion effect that made me change. In RV9, no motion effect, no square (Shure it's postprocessed, but we don't loose details because of it). I found AutoRV9 which is very easy to use. You load the DVD2AVI project, configure autio and video, and start!

The audio codec is so good! Better than MP3 or vorbis at 64kbps. It support surround (I didn't test it, my speaker kit is stéréo).

I'll stop here, I think I can write pages and pages about the quality... :D

@all

My links will be avalible tomorrow.

[deXtoRious]

Damn! I just can't get AutoRV9 to work! Audio gets demuxed, when video encoding starts, it just exits the same moment. No errors in log file. Can somebody help me?

[Morbo]

re-install AVIsynth 2.07 or 8...

Never was happy here with 2.5 ....

Cheers!!

[ookzDVD]

@Sirber,

Thank you for your advise, I finally try the RV9, and I really
impressed about the result.

Btw, do have any good documentation to start with, I really want
to add the subtitle (.SRT), or is that possible to add Chapters,
etc. Thank you.

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by ookzDVD

Thank you for your advise, I finally try the RV9, and I really
impressed about the result.

Btw, do have any good documentation to start with, I really want
to add the subtitle (.SRT) or is that possible to add Chapters,
etc. Thank you. As far as subtitles, you can not use plain .srt. You must either burn them into the video or make RealText subs (.rt). I've done my best to link the various "how do I make .rt subs" threads to each other, but the info in them is cryptic at best and incomplete at worst. To remedy that i'm going to write a coherent HOWTO for .rt subs (basic, transparent, and bordering). Unfortunatly, i've started the spring quarter at my university. I won't have much spare time except on the weekends.

Chapters are not possible unless you treat each chapter as a sperate file and link them togther with a .smil file. So it's not useful unless you are going to stream the end product.

[iwod]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas
As far as subtitles, you can not use plain .srt. You must either burn them into the video or make RealText subs (.rt). I've done my best to link the various "how do I make .rt subs" threads to each other, but the info in them is cryptic at best and incomplete at worst. To remedy that i'm going to write a coherent HOWTO for .rt subs (basic, transparent, and bordering). Unfortunatly, i've started the spring quarter at my university. I won't have much spare time except on the weekends.

Chapters are not possible unless you treat each chapter as a sperate file and link them togther with a .smil file. So it's not useful unless you are going to stream the end product.


Yes... that is the problem with current RV9...

It is intended as a Streaming format... therefor many features that a archieve format would need is still missing..

Chapters, muti subtitle, muti audio track,
and of coz muxing it with other audio format or storing it other contianer.

But at least the HelixDNA move was a good place to start all this...

I know by using SMIL some of the function can be done.... but does DVD need something like SMIL?? has the format itself already included the features....??

[Sirber]

Originally posted by iwod
but does DVD need something like SMIL?? has the format itself already included the features....??

In DVD, all stuff is unclided in vobs. OGM can contain all the stuff too. AVI is more limited. RM is kinda limited like AVI, that's why SMIL exist.

[iwod]

so what you mean is that if RV9 can be put into other contianer format.... all these function will be avalible....

Assuming the contaniner support all this functions.??

[Sirber]

RV9 is only in RM now. You should ask Karl, he knows better than me :)

@all

Links are not avalible today... I had no time to upload it on my server at work. I'll try in two days..

[Morbo]

My damn Asus was defualting to 2 cas lat in BIOS!!!!!

My 3d aps started locking as well.....

Grrrr @ Asus (sorry Karl,,make note of it though....asus boards are funky defualts w/PC2700)...

Oh well....

Cheers @ the REAL team..... :D

[deXtoRious]

I tried to install the old version of AviSynth, but the result was even worse. Resolution of the video was reported ABSOLUTELY incorrectly and the encoding didn't work (like before). What am I doing wrong?

[Ramirez]

Dextorious,which ver of Avisynth you're using exactly 2.0, 2.5?

[ookzDVD]

@Sirber,

I think it's time to ask the fans of RV9 about the experiences and tips or even tricks. :)

What is your main res. for ripping, 640x, bigger? or smaller?
What is min. bitrate should not be used? 300? 400? 500?

PS. I usually use DivX3/DivX5.02 with GKnot for the comp. check.
to get the best ripping resolution.

Thank you.

[iwod]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
@Sirber,

I think it's time to ask the fans of RV9 about the experiences and tips or even tricks. :)

What is your main res. for ripping, 640x, bigger? or smaller?
What is min. bitrate should not be used? 300? 400? 500?

PS. I usually use DivX3/DivX5.02 with GKnot for the comp. check.
to get the best ripping resolution.

Thank you.

Main res = orginal res of clip........ ( i only rip anime DVD/VCD )
Lowest .. or the min. bitrate i use is 350. ( Any thing lower than that i consider to be unwatchable.. )

[deXtoRious]

Dextorious,which ver of Avisynth you're using exactly 2.0, 2.5?

I was using AviSynth 2.5, now I reinstalled 2.0 in hopes that it might help to solve my RV9 problems... It didn't :(

[Sirber]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
@Sirber,

I think it's time to ask the fans of RV9 about the experiences and tips or even tricks. :)

What is your main res. for ripping, 640x, bigger? or smaller?
What is min. bitrate should not be used? 300? 400? 500?

PS. I usually use DivX3/DivX5.02 with GKnot for the comp. check.
to get the best ripping resolution.

Thank you.

Depend what you're ripping:

With AutoRV9 1.2:
For a DVD (movie) (1 CD)
< 2h, 720x, witn one 96kbps or two 64kbps sound track
> 2h, 640x, with one 64kbps or two 64kbps sound track

For a DVD (anime) (Like Ghost in the shell) (1 CD)
720x, 96kbps audio

For a DVD (anime) (Like series)
never tryed

With Helix Producer:
For animes, if source is 640x or less (ex: Vampire Princess Miyu)
24FPS, 350kbps VBR (Max 2000kbps) including a 32kbps soundtrack
Output: ~65 MB

For animes, if source is 320x (ex: Futurama)
15FPS (Produce 12.5 FPS), 250kbps VBR (Max 2000kbps) including a 32kbps soundtrack
Output: ~40 MB

[Ramirez]

Dextorious, same story here, crash on first pass + "Crop the movie" window bug,now the first problem might be resolved by replacing Producer-9.1M-6 Gold build files Located in autorv\softs\Rp9_Light\*.* dir with the Producer-9.1-M-5 build files, there is some strange bug in Mile Stone 6 build "Missing RIFF Header Error?" which caused the crash, the second problem, most likely caused by the outdated VB6 Runtimes files, I've installed the newest VB6 Run-Runtime Pack (http://download.microsoft.com/download/vb60pro/Redist/sp5/WIN98Me/EN-US/vbrun60sp5.exe) and voila the prob went away.

[Sirber]

RV9 has the same quality if you uses ~700 kbps or more. So, increase the audio bitrate to get near 700kbps. I'm doing Spaceballs, with this settings:

Diagnostic: Application logging enabled
Diagnostic: --------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
Diagnostic: Input Filename: C:\SPACEBALLS_LB\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
Diagnostic: File Size: 1KB
Diagnostic: Total Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: Video Track
Diagnostic: Dimensions: 720 x 528
Diagnostic: Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
Diagnostic: Format: YUY2
Diagnostic: Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: Audio Track
Diagnostic: Channels: Stereo
Diagnostic: Bit Depth: 16
Diagnostic: SampleRate: 44100 Hz
Diagnostic: Format: Uncompressed Audio
Diagnostic: Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: --------- End Input File Properties
Diagnostic: Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
Diagnostic: Using audio codec: atrc (176400 bps)
Diagnostic: Using video codec: rv9 (826600 bps)
Diagnostic: Setting video packet size to 1352

Resize: Lanzcos
IVTC: Decomb

I sould have used 200kbps+ for audio...

[ookzDVD]

@Sirber and iwod,

Thank you for the info,
I'll try apply it on my next rip. :)

Btw, is the AutoRV9 support YV12 (aka AviSynth 2.5x) ?
I'm using akabob's x2real atm.

Thank you.

[midiguy]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
@Sirber,

I think it's time to ask the fans of RV9 about the experiences and tips or even tricks. :)

What is your main res. for ripping, 640x, bigger? or smaller?
What is min. bitrate should not be used? 300? 400? 500?

PS. I usually use DivX3/DivX5.02 with GKnot for the comp. check.
to get the best ripping resolution.

Thank you.

the resolution depends ont he bitrate.. RV9 users, at least on this board, seem to use 640 x XXX or greater resolution for EVERYTHING, no matter what the bitrate.. I don't tihnk this is such a good thing.. just because you don't see pixels or noise with RV9 doesn't mean that it has been encoded well. don't forget about the in-lopp filtering and the post-processing that is put on your video.. all of that stuff caneasily cover up pixels and noise and blur the hell out of your image. I caution using such high resolutions for such low bitrates.. depending on the movie, I tend to use 640 x XXX for movies encoded at 750 kbps or higher, and generally anything under that, I mostly use 512 x 384 or in some extreme cases, I may even go one notch lower (not usualyl though). I guess a good way to do this is basically to just use the res you would normally use with a XviD/DivX rip, and if you really want a higher resolution, maybe make it one notch higher than that. yeah, that's a good way of putting it.. of coarse, it also depends if your movie is full screen or if it is wide screen..

[midiguy]

Originally posted by Sirber
RV9 has the same quality if you uses ~700 kbps or more. So, increase the audio bitrate to get near 700kbps. I'm doing Spaceballs, with this settings:

Diagnostic: Application logging enabled
Diagnostic: --------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
Diagnostic: Input Filename: C:\SPACEBALLS_LB\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
Diagnostic: File Size: 1KB
Diagnostic: Total Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: Video Track
Diagnostic: Dimensions: 720 x 528
Diagnostic: Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
Diagnostic: Format: YUY2
Diagnostic: Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: Audio Track
Diagnostic: Channels: Stereo
Diagnostic: Bit Depth: 16
Diagnostic: SampleRate: 44100 Hz
Diagnostic: Format: Uncompressed Audio
Diagnostic: Duration: 01:36:10.231
Diagnostic: --------- End Input File Properties
Diagnostic: Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
Diagnostic: Using audio codec: atrc (176400 bps)
Diagnostic: Using video codec: rv9 (826600 bps)
Diagnostic: Setting video packet size to 1352

Resize: Lanzcos
IVTC: Decomb

I sould have used 200kbps+ for audio...

hey, umm, if you want the proper aspect ratio, I would crop that 720 down to 704, that would give you a 4:3 aspect, where as now you are actualyl skewing the image :scared:

also, I notice a big difference from above 700 kbps.. I can notice a difference in the 1000s kbps, not sure of an exact number per say, I don't think there is one, because some movies need more bitrate than others, but I ahve noticed a difference well above 700 kbps, atleast usually..

[iwod]

Originally posted by midiguy
the resolution depends ont he bitrate.. RV9 users, at least on this board, seem to use 640 x XXX or greater resolution for EVERYTHING, no matter what the bitrate.. I don't tihnk this is such a good thing.. just because you don't see pixels or noise with RV9 doesn't mean that it has been encoded well. don't forget about the in-lopp filtering and the post-processing that is put on your video.. all of that stuff caneasily cover up pixels and noise and blur the hell out of your image. I caution using such high resolutions for such low bitrates.. depending on the movie, I tend to use 640 x XXX for movies encoded at 750 kbps or higher, and generally anything under that, I mostly use 512 x 384 or in some extreme cases, I may even go one notch lower (not usualyl though). I guess a good way to do this is basically to just use the res you would normally use with a XviD/DivX rip, and if you really want a higher resolution, maybe make it one notch higher than that. yeah, that's a good way of putting it.. of coarse, it also depends if your movie is full screen or if it is wide screen..

As i said, i only do anime rip.... as far as i am concern film rips are totally different to Anime rips...

[Sirber]

Originally posted by midiguy
the resolution depends ont he bitrate.. RV9 users, at least on this board, seem to use 640 x XXX or greater resolution for EVERYTHING, no matter what the bitrate.. I don't tihnk this is such a good thing.. just because you don't see pixels or noise with RV9 doesn't mean that it has been encoded well. don't forget about the in-lopp filtering and the post-processing that is put on your video.. all of that stuff caneasily cover up pixels and noise and blur the hell out of your image. I caution using such high resolutions for such low bitrates.. depending on the movie, I tend to use 640 x XXX for movies encoded at 750 kbps or higher, and generally anything under that, I mostly use 512 x 384 or in some extreme cases, I may even go one notch lower (not usualyl though). I guess a good way to do this is basically to just use the res you would normally use with a XviD/DivX rip, and if you really want a higher resolution, maybe make it one notch higher than that. yeah, that's a good way of putting it.. of coarse, it also depends if your movie is full screen or if it is wide screen..

RV9 use some kind of filtering to blur the edge of squares. The lowest bitrate I used for a movie was ~500kbps, for Saving Private Ryan (in 512x). For all other movies, I uses 720x with no quality loss (Shure I loose some, but RV9 compress more if the movie don't have a lot of details, and RV9 remove all the noise, at any bitrate)

[Sirber]

Originally posted by midiguy
hey, umm, if you want the proper aspect ratio, I would crop that 720 down to 704, that would give you a 4:3 aspect, where as now you are actualyl skewing the image :scared:

also, I notice a big difference from above 700 kbps.. I can notice a difference in the 1000s kbps, not sure of an exact number per say, I don't think there is one, because some movies need more bitrate than others, but I ahve noticed a difference well above 700 kbps, atleast usually..

With this 4:3 movie, AutoRV9 said I had ~1% ratio error, and it's ok with me.

I made some movies a 600kbps (The Messenger, 2h40) with better overal quality than a 1100kbps movie (Evil Dead 3, 1h20)

[Ramirez]

Midiguy, dunno where you're getting this idea about us RV9 users being some sort of zombie encoders, like we where moving resolution slider to the max, setting the bitrate to 500kbps end then hitting the "Encode" button Regardless lengthiness of the specific movie and how well it's compresses, well it's isn't true and I for example have never done a single encoding in my entire life without checking these parameters prior!.

Now my guess is that you're under heavy impression of that "3 hours on 1 CD" tread where I compressed the "Pearl Harbor" using relatively high resolution,well my only purpose was to show the power of RV9 codec which IMHO the only one today who up to this task w/t sacrificing the quality too much, sure I could get much better results by some filtering and lowering the resolution, but again its wasn't my intention at all.

[deXtoRious]

I finally managed to run AutoRV9 properly! I had to install Helix Producer on my computer. I just tried to encode a part from LOTR 1 (the very beginning) and I was amazed by the results... At 720kbps the quality was perfect. It was better than Nic's newest xvid at 1100kbps! BTW, I'm using AviSynth 2.5 now. I have some questions:
1. Which filters are worth using?
2. Is there any reason to use the sharpen option?

Thank you for your patience.

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by deXtoRious
It was better than Nic's newest xvid at 1100kbps! BTW, I'm using AviSynth 2.5 now. I have some questions:
1. Which filters are worth using?
2. Is there any reason to use the sharpen option? Do you mean the "Sharpest Image" option in Helix Producer? I've never done an encode without it. I usually do not use filters.

BTW, next time, do an encode, but follow the instructions for anamorphic playback (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40572).

The result is awesome! :)

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Ramirez
Midiguy, dunno where you're getting this idea about us RV9 users being some sort of zombie encoders, like we where moving resolution slider to the max, setting the bitrate to 500kbps end then hitting the "Encode" button Regardless lengthiness of the specific movie and how well it's compresses, well it's isn't true and I for example have never done a single encoding in my entire life without checking these parameters prior!.

Now my guess is that you're under heavy impression of that "3 hours on 1 CD" tread where I compressed the "Pearl Harbor" using relatively high resolution,well my only purpose was to show the power of RV9 codec which IMHO the only one today who up to this task w/t sacrificing the quality too much, sure I could get much better results by some filtering and lowering the resolution, but again its wasn't my intention at all.

I've got IT, a Stephen King movie, it's 3h07. It a relatively slow motion movie, so I think I'll be able to put in on a 700MB CD, at least at 640x with no pre-processing.

@all

Here's the links. Please download them only this weekend, I'll remove the links sunday before my little DoDo (sleep). The goal of this was to demonstrate the power (mouhahahahaha) of RV9 on a 20MB file. Settings are in my first post (So don't ask you lazy freaks :p)

Hane fun! And also, you can try with or whitout postprocessing, RV9 beat it anyway (No offence to XviD team, I used XviD before for great rips).

Links deleted
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/Origial.rmvb
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/Original.ogm

[Ramirez]

Hi sirber,Great job!! and great movie,damn it I never saw it before, I've seen only the first one where this guy looses his arm (correct?) don't remember that movie name though.Anyway I wanna try something similar with WMV9-vcm vs. RV9 because frankly I was impressed by the quality that vcm9 codec produces.

Btw: xvid's results are too damn horrible, are you sure that you've used everything in your power to squeeze any additional quality out of that codec? ;) :)

[Sirber]

Yeah. Looks at the settings. The only thing new was VHQ-1. I had great rips with XviD (like fight club). I used almost the same settings, to have the best quality.

This is the original ending of Evil Dead 3: Army of darkness.

[TheXung]

umm, do you really not see what you are doing wrong with the xvid clip? or what was done to the real clip?

1. MPEG quantization performs horribly at those quants. Have you tried h263 for this?
2. This source is noisy. Any codec that does prefiltering or in-loop filtering will obviously have a better time compressing it than one that doesn't. And we choose not to have xvid do any prefiltering because we feel that as rippers, prefiltering is something that should be left to the ripper. We cannot blame the codec for such a design decision. Initially, I found wm9 to encode minority report better than xvid, but that was because it was smoothing out all the film grain. Once I applied the appropriate filters to the source, xvid was able to best wm9 easily.

Postprocessing can only do so much for a poorly encoded clip.
3. As closely as I can follow xvid's development, I don't think there's been much quality optimization put into the 8 to 16 quants. It's been mainly focused in the lower quants which would be the case if the source didn't have so much film grain or was properly filtered.


I think the only way you're gonna convince me of RM's superiority is if you somehow managed to post the source and let people download it and encode it ourselves. No offence, but I always first doubt the ripping abilities of other people.
There are VOB cutters around right? and the vob shouldn't be that many times larger. If filesize is a constraint, perhaps the length should be cut in half.

[deXtoRious]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas
Do you mean the "Sharpest Image" option in Helix Producer? I've never done an encode without it. I usually do not use filters.

BTW, next time, do an encode, but follow the instructions for anamorphic playback (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40572).

The result is awesome! :)

No, I mean the msharpen filters. Simply even with the Sharpest Image option on, RV9 encodes too smoothly (faces look bad).

[Sirber]

Originally posted by TheXung
umm, do you really not see what you are doing wrong with the xvid clip? or what was done to the real clip?

1. MPEG quantization performs horribly at those quants. Have you tried h263 for this?


Yeah. I tryed once with The Matrix. Things where more squared, like for smog. Postprocessing was nessesary. For Evil Dead 3 too, H263 remove too much stuff. Only MPEG quant makes it viewable.

[TheXung]

Originally posted by Sirber
Yeah. I tryed once with The Matrix. Things where more squared, like for smog. Postprocessing was nessesary. For Evil Dead 3 too, H263 remove too much stuff. Only MPEG quant makes it viewable.

You realize that H263 is the same quantization used in divx 3.11, 4, 5. Squaring artifacts isn't attributable to simply the idea of h263 quantization.

[Sirber]

I know, and that's why DIVX3, 4 and 5 need postprocessing for <800kbps. All my good 1CD rips (2h20 max) are using MPEG quants and doesn't require postprocessing to be watchable (viewable?).

I'm encoding Stephen King's It, 3h07, in 1 CD:

Diagnostic: Application logging enabled
Diagnostic: --------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
Diagnostic: Input Filename: C:\STEPHEN_KING_S_IT\CD1+2_Movie.avs
Diagnostic: File Size: 1KB
Diagnostic: Total Duration: 03:07:22.325
Diagnostic: Video Track
Diagnostic: Dimensions: 640 x 352
Diagnostic: Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
Diagnostic: Format: YUY2
Diagnostic: Duration: 03:07:22.325
Diagnostic: Audio Track
Diagnostic: Channels: Stereo
Diagnostic: Bit Depth: 16
Diagnostic: SampleRate: 44100 Hz
Diagnostic: Format: Uncompressed Audio
Diagnostic: Duration: 03:07:22.325
Diagnostic: --------- End Input File Properties
Diagnostic: Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
Diagnostic: Using audio codec: cook (64082 bps)
Diagnostic: Using video codec: rv9 (450918 bps)
Diagnostic: Setting video packet size to 1352

Filters:

Decomb
Neutral Bicubic
Convolution3D Light

I wonder how It will be. It (It mouhahahaha) will be my longest movie on a CD if the quality is good.

[deXtoRious]

Please keep us informed... Maybe I'll be able to put LOTR1 on 1cd :rolleyes: By the way what is Convolution3D Light used for?

[Sirber]

Convolution3D is a temporal smoother, supposed to supress noise. I wat to remove some to help RealVideo 9 to get the best quality at 450kbps.

[Didée]

@ Sirber
@ deXtoRious

I have encoded LOTR Fellowship SEE to 1CD for curiosity and ambition. (Besides of the HiQ 2CD rip, of course.)
For XviD, I used (supersampled) deringing by mpeg2dec, and dust filter after resize. Plus most advanced features of XviD, except lumi masking. Quantization was mpeg.
For RV9, I did no pre-filtering at all, since the codec seems to do all by itself ... I'm not experienced with it. I used x2real for the easiness to get it done.
Resolution was 512*208 - intended for TV output only, not necessarily for viewing on a CRT. Overall Bitrate was 480 kbps.

Well, my conclusion:

- XviD is astonishingly viewable. Blocking is minor, it's quasi unnoticeable during normal watching. Some ringing is apparent on CRT, but this also I can hardly notice on my 80cm (33" ;) ) TV screen.
Very much detail is retained.
Result: Playback on TV is very acceptable, and even on CRT I have seen much worse things than this rip.

- RV9 is almost free of any artefacts, agreed.
But It is simply not watchable for me! So much details are smoothed away. Faces are pretty much flat, and - for example - Gandalf's beard is very often nothing more than a big, grey blob. Moreover, I can't stand it when within an area with much details, some parts got flat, while the surrounding keeps much detail. Looks really ridiculous. This occured e.g. on straw roofs, grassen meadows, and similar.
Result: Sorry, this is not for my taste.

Perhaps I did something wrong with RV9 - but using x2real, there is not so much possibility to choose a wrong setting.

For my personal preferences, all I can say is that RV9 is far, far away from convincing me. The same goes for WMV9, by the way.

I'd really enjoy to show some samples, but I have no webspace configured at all, so how should I make it available? And since attachements are not working here for quite some time, I can't even show some screenshots.
For the above posted comparison - I think The Xung has hit the point.


Regards

Didée

[deXtoRious]

It's for use with low bitrates only, right? Could you also tell about the other filters (the useful ones)?

[deXtoRious]

@ Didee

Did you use VHQ or GMC for xvid?

[Sirber]

@Didée

Try with AutoRV9, there is more options and filters, but it's using AVISynth 2.07. I see you prefiltered the one for XviD a lot, why not doing the same thing for RV9? Real Video codec don't process the video too much but post-process it. If Gandalf's beard was a blob it's because it was a square, so it was post-processed.

Please retry it with:
Decomb
Convolution3D -> Medium or High
Bilinear resize

Don't forget it's a ~3h45 movie :)

What did you use for audio? codec and bitrate please.

***********

About It (Want a baloon? They float, they all float)

after 2h, 14% of the first pass. It'll take the weekend I think.

@deXtoRious

I uses filters in extreme cases, and It's one :) I think a 3h45 movie whitout filters is a suicide, with XviD or RV9.

[deXtoRious]

Is there a tutorial or smth. about the filters in RV9? I'm especially interested in msharpen...

I'll encode LOTR2 today. Are such settings OK?

Decomb
Convolution3D Light
Bilinear resize

Resolution 608xwhatever

BTW, I'm using AutoRV9 with AviSynth 2.50 since 2.07 didn't work for some mysterious reason. I only had to replace the plugins with their 2.5 versions and everything started working!

[Sirber]

AutoRV9 with AVISynth 2.50... You should tell the author. It yould be great to have a version with AVISynth 2.50!

Use a rez of 512.

How long is the movie?

[deXtoRious]

1. Who's the author? And BTW there is no reason why AutoRV9 couldn't work or would produce errors with 2.5, is there? I didn't think of it as smth. special...
2. Will do.
3. It's 2:59:14.

[Sirber]

http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/

All filters included for AutoRV9 are for 2.0x, not 2.5x. But, 2.5x is 25% faster than 2.0x because of colorspace conversion.

As far as I remember, LOTR2 is a fast motion movie.
Uses: Convolution3D Medium (640x) or Light (512x)

[deXtoRious]

RV9 works great for me in YV12... I'll make a self-extracting patch, so I don't have to copy those files every time I reinstall everything (very often)...

[Sirber]

That's great!!!!!!

Could you include these filters:

Decomb
Convolution3D

I don't remember if resize is a DLL or not. Will you also include the producer from x2real? It's the lastest and patched (2-pass VBR into 1 CBR problem) producer.

[edit]

I think it's not a forum anymore, but a chat ;)

[Didée]

deXtoRious: VHQ1 was used, also qpel, 3*B*15+0 @ 25, chro-ME, but not chroma optimizer. And a (only slightly) modified quantization table, perhaps my new standard.

Sirber:
I admit that my comparison was not 100% fair ... but let's look at it like that:
I watch all my XviD encodings without any postprocessing. With RV9, I must watch with PP, because there is no way to turn it off (or is there any?). Therefore, it is fair again: Pre-processing for XviD, post-processing for RV9 ;)
Audio for XviD was Vorbis @ q0.5, what was adequate in this particular case.

A little sidenote: Convolution3D is not a temporal filter. It is a temporal-spatial filter :p

Of course I don't forget the length oft the movie (which for me is BTW "only" 3:19 h, since I see no sense in keeping the fanclub credits).
That's exactly the interesting part: in principle, the job is impossible with current technique, so let's see what can be achieved nonetheless.

Perhaps I give it another shot with pre-filtering for RV9 also. ATM I am very busy with two daily series, and a handful of DVDs waiting. Don't know when I will grab the time :(

However, RealVideo is pretty much a "Black Box" to me. And I am not a big friend of black boxes.


Didée

[deXtoRious]

I think it's not a forum anymore, but a chat

It's OK with me ;)

Could you include these filters:
Decomb
Convolution3D

Already done. I replaced ALL filters which where in AutoRV9.

I don't remember if resize is a DLL or not

Neutral bicubic is not, the rest are. Already replaced.

Will you also include the producer from x2real? It's the lastest and patched (2-pass VBR into 1 CBR problem) producer.

I haven't used x2real yet. I'll download it now and try to replace it, then check for any problems (you can never know) and if all works well, I'll include it.

[Sirber]

You flushed the 25 minutes credits? :devil:

Could you post two short clip of your encode? Also, what's the bitrate of RealAudio and codec?

RV postprocess squares only by bluring the edges.

Convolution3D is a temporal smooter

from http://hellninjacommando.com/con3d/

Convolution3D is an AviSynth filter that will apply a 3D convolution filter to a video stream.
In practical terms, this makes it an anti-noise filter with both spatial and temporal elements.

So praticly, we are both right :p

@deXtoRious

Great! If you want a server for sharing it, I have a nice one. But... I always use Neutral Bicubic :( I'm gonna cry... sniff sniff

[deXtoRious]

Perhaps I give it another shot with pre-filtering for RV9 also. ATM I am very busy with two daily series, and a handful of DVDs waiting. Don't know when I will grab the time

If someone could suggest the preprocessing options, I could try it. I have to encode that movie anyway...

[deXtoRious]

One more thing. Could somebody explain what the other filters in AutoRV9 do? Are they useful or is it just a waste of time? Thanx in advance.

[Sirber]

They may be usefull, like for animes or heavy grain movies. But, for me it's not usefull. pre-processing reduce the overal quality and heat my CPU.

I only use Convolution3D and Decomb. For convolution3D it's the first time I use it in a movie, because It is long... too long... and scary too ;)

[deXtoRious]

When you finish, tell me if convolution 3d had any use...

[Sirber]

I'll have to do it whitout too :) With these two filter I can't preview in realtime.

[deXtoRious]

With these two filter I can't preview in realtime.

Why?

Bad news: My current connection to the Internet will become unavailable on Monday. Currently I'm negotiating with my parents about a radiolink connection. Anyway it will take about a week for me to get online again. So the patch will be delayed. The good side is that I'll have a lot of time to test it for stability and correct any errors, so even the 1st release should be quite stable. I hope.

[Sirber]

because decomb is slow and convolution3D too!

Could you send me on my wonderfull mail (I made it myself) your patch before you loose your internet connection? Thanks :)

I want speed!!! (and quality, maybe quality first, but speed is important)

[deXtoRious]

I use decomb all the time, since I encode mostly interlaced content. Which is the best/fastest of deinterlacers?

In that case, give me your e-mail address. I don't guarantee anything, but I'll try.

[Sirber]

I want garenties :p

it's sirber(at, basicly AltCar+2)webernic(dot, a small one, near the comma)com

The best is Decomb, and I had a lot of troubles with other IVTC and Deinterleasers (you know what I mean :) )

[deXtoRious]

As I said, no guarantees :D

Great, I tried decomb first (and last, it seems).

[Sirber]

I have some il*egal (mouhahahaha) rips with doubled pixels (vertically) because of bad, very bad filters (GreenyHMA + IVTC i think)

[deXtoRious]

I have a LOT of illegial good and bad rips in all possible formats (now including RV9) in good and bad quality and only a few legal ones. But don't tell that to anyone, mkay?

[Sirber]

I'll try. I have a mass mailer running in background, you don't mind? ;)

[Ramirez]

Go at the command prompt, and write:
format c: /y
And your problem will be gone


:D :D :D

[Sirber]

hum... not the right place ;)

[edit]

You know... I like to help defendless newbies that DivX Network attacks. :D

[edit 2]
I recieved this:



Mgz wrote on 5th April 2003 15:22:
You are my HERO.....

I still think WMV9 is the best for low bitrate movie...but holy shit, i download Real Producer Basic and try @ 450kbps...

and I'm sure you know the result :p

Thank YOU VERY MUCH :)

I'll use REAL for every movie i encode from now on :D

once again, thanks you .

Here's my answer:

That's not every movie that can be compressed at 450kbps. I'm doing a test, and I don't know the results. I did Saving Private Ryan, 2h50, and the quality was not so good. Try it, I recommend AutoRV9 for a DVD->RV9. Read more on this forum and learn. And BTW, I'm not God :)

[edit 3]
After 9h, 59% on the first pass. CPU @ 43°C

[Ramirez]

I don't quite get it who is the author of that message you're quoting
And
You're my hero too :)

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by Didée
Resolution was 512*208 - intended for TV output only, not necessarily for viewing on a CRT. Overall Bitrate was 480 kbps. Maybe this is a stupid question, but if you have the DVD... Why are you making a rip for TV output only? (was it your means of compairing the codecs?) (I'd screw using any compression and just watch the DVD instead, otherwise!)

--

Also, is it common place for xvid/divx/sbc users to make their movies at such low resolution? Encoding at 208 means you've lost more than half of the original resolution (480).

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by Sirber
I see you prefiltered the one for XviD a lot, why not doing the same thing for RV9? Real Video codec don't process the video too much but post-process it. Actually, Karl has posted (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38970&perpage=20&highlight=prefiltering&pagenumber=2) that RM does no pre-processing and/or pre-filtering *at all* (built in or otherwise) unless you select a denoise option in Real/Helix Producer.

[Sirber]

Read the entire tread please. I know RV9 don't have pre-processing, XviD too. But for his test, he pre-processed XviD with 2 or 3 filters, but he didn't use the same filters for RV9, so that's quite unfair.

@all

I don't deserve being a hero. I'm just an ordinary RV9 Nerd :D

@Ramirez

I recieved this in my PM. I answered it, but I made it public too for you guys. My goal is to produce a 1CD Rip at the best quality possible, not to be a Hero ;)

about my rip:

it's 11h00 PM, and it started at noon, and it's still on the first pass, 77%. For the ones that didn't read my tread, I'm encoding Stephen King's It, 3h07, on 1 CD.

[deXtoRious]

I don't deserve being a hero. I'm just an ordinary RV9 Nerd

Now, now, don't be that shy ;)

I only got home now and I'll try to make that patch as soon as possible.

[Sirber]

@all

It's 9h00 AM, and at 60% of the second pass. I'll try that movie with WVM9 too. I never realy tryed WMV9 before. I'll post a small preview when it's ready. It will be, like my other preview, a technology show, and not piracy.

@deXtoRious

Did you talk to AutoRV9 author? It would be great to have a "boosted" version uting AVISynth 2.5x :D

[CruNcher]

@ Sirber
please compare again with one of the new upcoming XviD builds, but try to avoid the usage of Qpel @ first :)

[Sirber]

I can't, I don't own the origigal DVD. Maybe I'll try with some videoclips.

[Didée]

Originally posted by 31 Flavas
Maybe this is a stupid question, but if you have the DVD... Why are you making a rip for TV output only? (was it your means of compairing the codecs?) (I'd screw using any compression and just watch the DVD instead, otherwise!)
1. It is simply sports.
2. Seeing what current techniques allows. Generally, more than 3 hours to 1CD is a big no-no!
3. With a CD-R, playback possibilities are a little more flexible, compared to a DVD.

Originally posted by 31 Flavas
Also, is it common place for xvid/divx/sbc users to make their movies at such low resolution? Encoding at 208 means you've lost more than half of the original resolution (480). [/B]
Firstly, the original vertical res. is 416 pixels (anamorph), which equals 292 pixels with 1:1 pixelAR.
Again, this movie is ultra-hard to put in a reasonable quality on 1 CD. Generally I don't like to go below 576*xxx for widescreen movies ... however, for TV output, 512*208 still is fair enough. Especially when your graphic card is not from NIVEA, erh, NVIDIA :P

---

Sirber:
I already agreed that my comparison was not 100% fair. But since RV9 is so UNBELIEVABLE MUCH BETTER :rolleyes: than its 'competitors', I expected some at least halfway reasonable results even under that circumstances. But RV9 delivered nothin reasonable for me.
And BTW, my XviD rip was not "heavily" or "a lot" pre-filtered. You guys seem still have to learn a lot about video filtering. Yeah, simply pressing some knobs in an encoding GUI is sooo simple ...

Having slept one night over this thread, and having read the posts of the last 24 hours once again, I came to the conclusion to withdraw from this thread.

I wish happy encoding with whatever tools you prefer. I know the mine.

Didée,
in not so brilliant mood today

[Sirber]

@Didié

You do what you want, I have no problem with that. By the way, I'm not a newbie and I know what I'm using. My point is, if you want to compare codecs, use the same settings. Maybe XviD is better than RV9 with 2-4 filters, but maybe RV9 is better than XviD with the same filters.

@all

I'll encode the movie It in Windows Media format after. I'll post a RealVideo 9 vs Windows Media 9 later :)

[Sirber]

The encode is finished.

Holy Jesus, the quality is better than I taught. There is some wierd color change sometings (at least I saw one). In dark scenes, RV9 saves bits and makes it blur, but on light scenes it's kinda DVD quality (Whitout the noise).

I'll post a short clip April 8 on my favorite server.

Long live to RealVideo!!! (and RealAudio) :D

[Sirber]

Here's a screnshot, in the first 1/3 of the movie.

Quality: 7/10

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/It.jpg

Tell me what you think. I think for a 3h07 movie on 700MB it's great!! :D

[TheXung]

Originally posted by Didée
Having slept one night over this thread, and having read the posts of the last 24 hours once again, I came to the conclusion to withdraw from this thread.

I wish happy encoding with whatever tools you prefer. I know the mine.

Didée,
in not so brilliant mood today

Without anyone else in the mood to argue wit Sirber anymore, this thread will just fall victim to group think.

[Ramirez]

Hey sirber, post your script please :rolleyes:
I'll try to put up a little frame by frame comparison between these two also.

Btw: the screenshot looks very good!!

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Ramirez
Hey sirber, post your script please :rolleyes:
I'll try to put up a little frame by frame comparison between these two also.

Btw: the screenshot looks very good!!

I'm sorry I can't. They were deleted five minuts ago, and I'm in the middle of a defrag so I can't recover them. But if we use the info I gave at the begining, I think we can reproduce one.

Here what I used (if I remember well):

Lanzcos (640x)
Decomb (as IVTC)
Convolution3D (ligbt)

Audio: cook @ 64kbps, surround
Video: rv9 @ 450kbps (max 4000), 23.97x FPS

[edit]

I found it on a cluster:

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2DEC.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\DECOMB.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\CONVOLUTION3D.DLL")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("C:\STEPHEN_KING_S_IT\CD1+2.d2v")
#
# AUDIO SOURCE
Audio = WavSource("C:\STEPHEN_KING_S_IT\Stream1.WAV")
#
# COMBINE VIDEO + AUDIO
Video=AudioDub(Video,Audio)
#
# IVTC
# For a better result try : Video=Telecide Video,post=true,chroma=true,gthresh=50,guide=1)
Video=Telecide(Video,guide=1)
Video=Decimate(Video,cycle=5)
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,0,0,720,480)
#
# RESIZING
Video=BicubicResize(Video,640,352,0,0.5)
#
# CONVOLUTION 3D FILTER (Light)
Video=Convolution3D(Video,1,4,5,3,4,2.8,0)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

[Ramirez]

Sorryyy! I've misunderstood you completely, I...well kinda thought that this screenshot coming from WMV-vcm rip that you did :stupid:

[Sirber]

Are you saying I'm stupid? :devil: :devil: :devil:

[Ramirez]

No!! Damn it!, its ME, this icon is aimed to me, I've seen people using it like this when they makes some stupid mistakes.
All I wanted to say is that I misunderstood your post and therefore I'm the stupid one.
:)

[Sirber]

So, by explaining it to me, you think I'm not bright enough to understand it by myslef? :devil:

The Hell with you :p

BTW, I'm joking from the beginning. No flames :)

[Ramirez]

Your stupid jokes are way out of the line here!! :p

On the side note..

Sirber if you want to use YV12 with Autorv9,it's really very easy to accomplish that, Just replace the mpeg2dec.dll in autorv\softs\AVSFILE\*.* dir with mpeg2dec3.dll (rename it to mpeg2dec.dll,) and voila you're set, the same applies to the rest of the filters convolution3d.dll replaced with convolution3dYV12.dll, Decomb.dll get replaced with DecombYV12.dll. etc) I'm using it like this since month now, none a single problem.
(I'm currently trying to port this app completely to Avisynth2.5, the main executable is packed with UPX, I've unpacked it and now I working on it with hex editor) :rolleyes:

[Sirber]

We could ask DarkCracker for the sources... BTW it's in VisualBasic. Can you just do a pack-patch fo overwrite the DLL with AVS 2.5x version?

[edit]

also producer from the lastest x2real? And don't forget to send me it before you loose internet :)

[Ramirez]

Well I know it's written in VB6, but somehow I seriously doubt that D.C will ever to release his sources (it's very understandable, tons of work went into this project, but hey who knows)
Now I'm really preferring to finish my little hack first,I'll send it to you as soon its done i promise,it's a mess at this very moment, I need some time to figure it out(currently replacing (SimpleResize) with MarkFD's "BicublinResize" (for now just use that DLL replacement trick)

[Sirber]

Ok.

I understand. I wish you great luck and success. :D

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

@ramirez
damn next time i will add a better packer than UPX :p :p :p
else u can wait the v1.3 beta 1 (released in some few days)
i will try to add avisynth 2.5 support.

bye.

[Ramirez]

Cool,that's a great news D.C :)

Btw: sure try another packer, but you know, everything that may be packed,may also be unpacked..:p

[Sirber]

I have tools to unpack any packed EXE after it's execution. I was a kinda hacker few years ago...

@D.C.

Would be great to have AVISynth 2.5, I heard it's 25% faster than 2.08.

[Synaps]

@ Dark-Craker
et aussi le support du producer milestone 5 ou 6 pour de meilleurs performances qui devrait être de 15-20 % je pense ! :)

+++

[Sirber]

@Synaps

This is an English forum, no french please.
Ici cé un forum anglais, pas de français svp.

@D.C.

If milestone 6 isn't out, uses the lastest included with x2real, it's patched against 1stpass VBR and 2e pass CBR bug.

[Synaps]

@Sirber
You speak French ?????

@D.C
You can use Milestone 6 gold works fine but i don't know what's the difference between them, ask to karl for more information !

++

[daiyam]

@Synaps
Milestone 6 gold is 15%-20% faster than the version included with x2real

[Sigmatador]

@synaps
location :quebec ;)

[Sirber]

I checked on helixcommunity and milestone 6 isn't out.

@Synaps

Yep. 100% Québécois :)

[edit]

Great!!! Found it.

https://distribution.helixcommunity.org/files/documents/50/410/helix_dna_producer_9.1_windows.zip

[NoLogo]

Sirber>
Do you know where it is possible to find a standalone codec for RV9, without having to install RealOne ? Seems like Helix doesn't come with it :(

Thx
NoLogo

[Sirber]

What would you do with those? They aren't VFW so it's unusable.

[Lobuz]

There are codecs for real media 9 at

http://www.ekinox-team.com/

And they work with MPlayer Classic :cool:

Regards
Lobuz

[Sirber]

If I remember well, it's illegal to download those codecs if outside RealOne. It's against the license.

@Karl

Am I right?

[Ramirez]

Sirber, I wanna ask you something, are you actually using this horrible, loaded with spyware terribly designed, slow like hell, 50megs monster>>> REAL CRAP PLAYER?!! :eek:

[Lefungus]

The last real one player is quite good. Almost all junk buttons has been removed. However i still prefer media player classic. Try it yourself, you'll be surprised.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Ramirez
Sirber, I wanna ask you something, are you actually using this horrible, loaded with spyware terribly designed, slow like hell, 50megs monster>>> REAL CRAP PLAYER?!! :eek:
RealPlayers of the past have had some issues, to put it mildly, but the latest RealOne is not that bad. Please see this thread for how to make it even nicer:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48179
and since V.3 is still in the works, now is the time to provide feedback . There is no need to mention the problems I already describe in the thread above. Those are already known ;)

[NoLogo]

Sirber>
Actually, I really don't want RealOnePlayer to bugg me with an Internet verification each time I launch it. Therefore I'm looking for a codec without any player.
Maybe it's illegal, I don't know, but the first fact is I play my vids with MPC (God bless Gabest :)).

Lobuz>
Thanx, but the second fact is there are no codec on the URL you gave me :(. Whatever, I can live without it.

Regards
NoLogo

EDIT: the third fact is I'm with stupid, got to change my glasses... Thx a lot Lobuz, found it ! :)

[karl_lillevold]

Using the wonderful MPC with an already installed RealOne is perfectly fine. In fact, you never have to launch RealOne. Just check the thread I just mentioned to make sure you disable everything running in the background. In fact, you can even delete a lot of stuff if you like, or download a codec/DLL package if you can find one. I am sure there are a few available, but I am not going to point them out, nor go look for them.

When you install most applications on your system, including RealOne, you agree to a so-called binary EULA. In most cases these EULAs specify clearly that re-distribution in whole or part (that is some of the DLLs that are installed), is not allowed.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Ramirez
Sirber, I wanna ask you something, are you actually using this horrible, loaded with spyware terribly designed, slow like hell, 50megs monster>>> REAL CRAP PLAYER?!! :eek:

RealPlayer isn't that bad. And, I taught you've lost internet? :p