AVI files bigger then 4GB

[HJU]

After capturing video i can only make AVI files less then 4GB. This due to the fact that the harddisc in Windows ME only can be formatted in FAT-32 in stead of NTSF (is that correct ?). Is here a solution or/and wil upgrading to Windows XP do the trick. I am dutch so sorry for the poor English.
Greetings HJU

[jggimi]

Welcome to the forum! I hope you'll find it useful.

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FAT32 files are limited to 4GB -- that is true.

But AVI files have two different limitations - 2GB or 4GB. There is a type of AVI with a 4GB limit, "OpenDML," which some applications can use. Most are still restricted to 2GB.

But the 2GB individual file limitation isn't much of a problem to capture applications. Virtual Dub, for example, uses segmented AVI files. The size of the capture is not limited by file system, nor by AVI standards.

For example, a 50 GB capture with Vdub might be 25 x 2GB files, named "Capture.00.avi" through "Capture.24.avi"

When you open "Capture.00.avi" in Vdub for further processing, you will be opening the entire 50GB video.

If you use AviSynth for processing, you would open the entire 50GB video in this example using the SegmentedAviSource("Capture.avi") command.

[bb]

If I remember correctly, the 2 GB limit applies to AVI 1.0 files. If you use OpenDML AVIs (which e.g. VirtualDub is capable of), then there's neither a 2 GB nor a 4 GB limit. The 4 GB limit comes from the FAT file system only. So using NTFS and OpenDML you should be able to capture a huge AVI file like 50 GB without problems.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

bb

[HJU]

Hi, thanks for the quick remarks.

Let me first speak out my thanks and gratitude for all the work and effort you are doing. Its a great side. I have regular visit your side for the last months and must say, where ever i was searching for, in the end, was always there to find.

Do'ing this i am now able to find my way around a lot of stuff. I am making MPEG2 files, from capturing; to AVI; converting using Virtualdub (frameserver) to TMPGEnc and Burn away. Also the DVD2SVCD works great and i use this program a lot.

The DVD2SVCD infact is the cause of my question. When i have captured my movie, i extract it on a storyboard (studio 8 Pinnacle) now i can edit, dub music,make titles etc. Normaly i handled this with small files. But i want to make a bigger file, and then let DVD2SVCD do the rest of the moviemaking. Therefore first i convert the captured (edit)movie with the DV Video Codec (onboard Studio 8) and after that i use the Canopus DV file Converter plugin. Then i have a file witch can be read by DVD2SVCD.

I tested it with small files and that worked all the way. At the end a neat cue-bin file. But when i want to convert bigger files with DV Video, Studio 8 tells me that the calculated file is to big for the filecapacity of 4gigabyte. So thats wy i wondered if this is an AVI or a Windows ME problem?

Anyway i think it is Windows so i am planning an upgrade to XP. Thanks again and keep up the good work.

Greetings (always looking to learn) HJU
:)

[jggimi]

Whether bb is correct regarding OpenDML AVI limitations (none), or I'm correct (4GB), is entirely academic. WME uses FAT32 file systems, where individual files are limited to 4GB.

[^^-+I4004+-^^]

Originally posted by jggimi
Whether bb is correct regarding OpenDML AVI limitations (none), or I'm correct (4GB), is entirely academic. WME uses FAT32 file systems, where individual files are limited to 4GB.

it's not only "academic".....
bb is correct and you're not;
(or you don't have NTFS system etc.)
OpenDML+NTFS means no limits
OpenDML+FAT32 means FAT32 filesize limit (4GB)
LegacyAVI+FAT32 means 2GB limit(internal AVI file limit)
LegacyAVI+NTFS means 2GB limit (for same reason as above)

one should know these facts
before starting to capture,as
VDub capture has to be set to
segment files,otherwise it'll bump
into a filesize limit....
("avi output error" if i'm not mistakin'...)

[HJU]

Hallo, there is enough war out there, i am learning and will not tolerate agressive replays "one should no this facts ...." is no way to reply. I think its arrogant and wrong. So if this the normal tone of this forum then its goodbye.:devil: :angry:

HJU

[jggimi]

I have been mistaken before, I4004, and will be mistaken again. Get used to it. :stupid:

But HJU has FAT32, so his AVIs are limited to 4GB. If he uses Vdub for capture, and sets up segmented AVIs, each individual file will be 1900MB by default.

[^^-+I4004+-^^]

Originally posted by HJU
Hallo, there is enough war out there, i am learning and will not tolerate agressive replays "one should no this facts ...." is no way to reply. I think its arrogant and wrong. So if this the normal tone of this forum then its goodbye.:devil: :angry:

HJU

you're taking it out of context;
i said
>one should know these facts
before starting to capture,

but also there's this

>as
VDub capture has to be set to
segment files,otherwise it'll bump
into a filesize limit....


it's not like you should know everything about the
capturing,but you *SHOULD* know this
to get it right first time
(i don't want you to loose some precious
"one-time-in-a-lifetime" tv programme because of this...
hehe..ok?)
the other way to learn it is to
have (at least) one unfinished capture

no,no war......

jg>But HJU has FAT32, so his AVIs are limited to 4GB. If he uses Vdub for capture, and sets up segmented AVIs, each individual file will be 1900MB by default.

yes,he can change that so VDub makes 3,99GB avi's(i haven't tested
this but it would probably work...VDub should make OpenDML)
but there's no need...be it 1,9 or 3,9 it's the same really
total filesize will be the same (i didn't changed it too...)

number of segments shouldn't be an issue....

ok,we settled that one,now next one;
>Therefore first i convert the captured (edit)movie with the DV Video Codec (onboard Studio 8) and after that i use the Canopus DV file Converter plugin. Then i have a file witch can be read by DVD2SVCD.

isn't this an overkill?

and

>But when i want to convert bigger files with DV Video, Studio 8 tells me that the calculated file is to big for the filecapacity of 4gigabyte. So thats wy i wondered if this is an AVI or a Windows ME problem?

hmmm...either you have advc100 and didn't find a program
to make you segmented avi's,or you're using something
else and converting it to DV without any need for it....

when the video is captured to huffyuv or mjpeg,you can use
frameserving (both avisynth and VDub will load multisegmented
avi's and serve them to CCE or Tmpgenc without problems...)
DVD2SVCD for captured avi?
hmmmm....
tmpgenc and CCE can make you SVCD's too,and there's no need
for this much conversions....
(if i got correctly what you do...try to be more precise...
state your hardware too....)

>So if this the normal tone of this forum then its goodbye

yes,this is normal tone in this forum,so you better leave...(hehe)

[bb]

Originally posted by HJU
So if this the normal tone of this forum then its goodbye.:devil: :angry:
No, HJU, this is not the normal tone of this forum. It's
^^-+I4004+-^^'s tone, and that's the reason why he just received a strike for not respecting the netiquette (forum rule #2).

@ ^^-+I4004+-^^:
Either behave or leave this forum!

bb

[auenf]

Originally posted by bb
If I remember correctly, the 2 GB limit applies to AVI 1.0 files. If you use OpenDML AVIs (which e.g. VirtualDub is capable of), then there's neither a 2 GB nor a 4 GB limit. The 4 GB limit comes from the FAT file system only. So using NTFS and OpenDML you should be able to capture a huge AVI file like 50 GB without problems.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

bb

and then there is DirectShow AVI's which also overcome the 2gb limitation, but is more compatible with everything than OpenDML AVI's are. (eg, i cant remember which version of CCE it was, but it wouldnt work properly with a 5gb OpenDML avi, but after converting it to a DirectShow AVI [DV AVI export from Prem6] it encoded fine).

Enf...

[^^-+I4004+-^^]

you didn't noticed "(hehe)"?
also i explained why have i said
one SHOULD know this
(because he doesn't want to
end up with unfinished capture...or does he?)
now he knows and it's settled....also HJU,don't weigh
my every word,try to read between the lines too....
and THAT IS my tone:
you better know this before you start
or learn the hard way....
(i learned it the hard way...
but then,i had the source on VHS so no
big harm...)

bb,chill down...just because i said
768x576 is a way to go,and to resize first,we're
not enemies.....are we?

[bb]

@ ^^-+I4004+-^^:
Ok, so it was a joke. You could've simply said something like "I apologize if I have been misunderstood".

Here's a new forum member who feels insulted or at least treated in an inappropriate way, although he was polite from the very beginning. I don't want to let it happen that new members get the wrong impression of this forum.

I don't think we had an argument about technical stuff like capture resolution and cropping. And I'm not one of those people who divide the world into friends and enemies.

Please let's discuss the rest via PM, if necessary, and continue the thread on-topic.

bb