IC7: my Sony set-top player says "DVD is dirty"

[monomer]

Has anyone experienced this problem?... anyone solve this problem?... any ideas or suggestions I could try?

The problem: When I make a backup in IC7, it will play fine on my PCs DVD drive (all 3). However when I try to play it in my Sony stand-alone home player it tells me the disc is dirty. This happens immediately on some discs, after the menu plays on another disc, and after a few seconds of the movie on 2 other discs. I've tried using 3 different media, recorded at 1X and 2X, burned with IC7 and then tried burning with Nero and then tried DVD Decrypter for burning... all of these resulted in the same message from my Sony (yet they play fine on all of my PC's DVD drives). Any movie transcoded in DVD2One will play in just fine in the Sony... any ISO movie ripped and burn with DVD Decrypter also plays fine... so I figure it must be something in IC's transcoding of the movie. Can anybody help me here?

Thanks to any and all who respond...

[mrbass]

AUDIO_TS perhaps..not sure.

[monomer]

Lastest developement...
If I leave all the titles selected, my Sony will play the IC copy perfectly. A backup of the same DVD but with menu and movie only will not play past the menu... then the "dirty disc" message appears.
So the 'registry hack' that allows me to remove certain titles also prevents some set-top players from correctly reading the burned DVD.
Can anyone shed some light on this?

[jaagee]

Originally posted by monomer
Lastest developement...
If I leave all the titles selected, my Sony will play the IC copy perfectly. A backup of the same DVD but with menu and movie only will not play past the menu... then the "dirty disc" message appears.
So the 'registry hack' that allows me to remove certain titles also prevents some set-top players from correctly reading the burned DVD.
Can anyone shed some light on this?

Look like it's time for a new set-top :D. No, seriously, make sure that when you are actually writing to DVD-R that you have disabled any virus protection software that may be running in the background! I had a similular problem like this once and found Norton "Auto Protect" running in the back ground. I disabled this and I have not had this problem repeat itself.

Good Luck!

jaagee

[monomer]

jaagee...
Well I do use Norton "everything". Thanks for the input, I'll disable Norton anti-virus et al and burn another IC7 Movie/Menu only copy and give it a try. I'll post back here with the results tomorrow.
BTW, my Sony is less than a month old...

[jzaman]

monomer said:
"So the 'registry hack' that allows me to remove certain titles also prevents some set-top players from correctly reading the burned DVD"

I believe you are correct in that assessment. The structure, allocation and format is primary for standalone compatibility. This is not related to visual quality. It may play but look like crap.
The newer DVD players are more tolerant. But when your burn also works on an old Emerson, Go video and almost any player then the argument about it being the players fault begins to wear thin. If it was merely the player then why can you create a DVD that is not playable with the same source files using program A and Burn engine X and then create a DVD from program B and Burn Engine X that plays in any standalone you throw it in? The IFO and allocation scheme is like the Windows registry. If the pointers are not correct then older units will get more confused than the newer models that apply corrections. Maybe the reason that IC does not have that feature natively can be due to the possibility that their code needs further logic to reconcile problems like this. Just my opinion...

[Djorre]

Just want to point out that the dirty message can be resolved, just use dvd+r if you can write those. If you can't make an image of the result of you work and add the AUDIO_TS directory (this one can and will be empty). I had the same problem some time ago, most of the times with DVD-R media, some worked others didn't. :rolleyes:

[MackemX]

I just got that same message today on my week old Sony with a DVD yet it plays fine on my other standalone and PC

thing is it ain't been anywhere near IC, so that ain't to blame

Norton Anti-virus is running 24/7 so that ain't to blame neither

mine has an AUDIO_TS folder that it ain't, so it's either the media or Nero hiccuped or the Sony is too damn fussy on media quality, probably the latter

this is the 1st DVD my Sony has refused to play due to the dirty message so chances are it's a faulty DVD-R that is to blame as every other DVD with the same brand media and has the same process involved in creating/burning plays just fine in my Sony

I burnt another copy and it plays OK in the Sony!

but removing Titles with IC is asking for problems with fussy standalones :D (maybe I'll update my sig to include this)

monomer said:
"So the 'registry hack' that allows me to remove certain titles also prevents some set-top players from correctly reading the burned DVD"
I think its more like IC deletes playback certain VOB ID's that when deleted destroy the structure of the DVD, not that it prevents them from reading it correctly but players simply cannot read what is not there cos the playback has been deleted!

some standalones default back to where they came from when they come across an invalid reference and some don't and this is how some people have problems and some don't as we all have different players

but now I guess I am contradicting myself when I say I have a Dansai 1010 and I also bought my mother the same model and my 2 older problematic DVD's that don't play in my player, play in my mothers! but I think this is more down to the individual DVD player and not the Dansai model(these play everything) as 3 of my friends have the same model Dansai's on my recommendations and the 2 problematic DVD's with my player have played just fine in theirs aswell, so I'm taking mine back as I reckon it's faulty as it even struggles with the originals on occasions (sounds like it's gonna take off the speed it spins at!)!

I'm currently running a test on Spy Kids 2 to see what IC does to the IFO when stripping the Title and see what IFO I get when I strip with Ifoedit

[monomer]

Thanks to all who replied with comments and suggestions... I greatly appreciated it.

Yes, I did have an AUDIO_TS directory... I turned off the Norton protection, it didn't fix the problem but it did noticeably speed up the processing... and that's a good thing!

Anyway I did finally solve the problem. After ripping with DVD Decrypter I use IfoEdit to strip out the stuff I don't want and then I select one of the new .IFOs and 'click' on "get VTS sectors". If the movie is small enough I just burn it with Nero... if its still too large, I 'compress' it with IC and burn it. This DVD will now play in any of my players, including the Sony!

Again, thanks to all...

BTW, does anyone know if I could do the whole 'IfoEdit process' in DVD Decrypter?... I've never used the IFO mode but does it 'adjust all the pointers' for the correct navigation info (as IfoEdit does)?????

[anameuno]

I get this same "dirty disc" error on my new Sony DVP-NC655P DVD player if I use IC to remove any titles. It happened on both dvd-r and dvd+rw media. :confused:
I haven't tried it since applying the update, and I normally leave all titles in tact, but for the kids' Disney DVD's, I'd like to remove all the extras without using additional software. :(

[MackemX]

some sony players have a built in check for DVD structure and I bet this is to combat people making backups of DVD's

[Gang$ta]

Hello all!

There is some very small files at the start/end of the movie..
if u uncheck the wrong one u will get the error Dirty Disc..