RV9 forum

[Sirber]

@doom9

Would be great to have a forum for RV9 in MPEG-4 and Co. What do you think?

@all

Vote!!

[Eric B]

yes, it could be fine.
An alternative solution could be sub categories in this forum (if it is technicaly possible). For exemple, once per container : OGM, RV9, matroska, ...

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Eric B An alternative solution could be sub categories in this forum (if it is technicaly possible). For exemple, once per container : OGM, RV9, matroska, ...

NOOOOOO ! That would mean i could only advertise matroska to those people who are already interested in it, and will browse the matroska section anyways :D :rolleyes: :D !! :lol: ....

[Atamido]

I voted yes, but I would like to qualify this. Creating a RV9 section would not be so great, but creating a Real Media section would. This could encompass video, audio, and container questions relating to version 9, and all other versions. (I am assuming that they will come out with a Real Media 10 eventually.)

I also think that it would be a good idea to have a Windows Media forum also, and am rather surprised that these forums don't exist. Having the "New A/V Formats" forum under "MPEG-4 and Co." doesn't really make sense, as the new stuff isn't MPEG-4 related material.

Creating a seperate Matroska section at this time wouldn't be helpful to anyone as the Matroska team already has a forum (http://www.corecodec.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=index) on corecodec.com, and there doesn't seem to be enough traffic yet specific to containers to warant specific forums for mp4, ogg, mkv, avi, rm, etc.

But, I digress. I think a "Real Media" and "Windows Media" section should be created.

[Sirber]

@Pamel

That's what I wanted to say. A forum for RV-related stuff.

[Atamido]

Originally posted by Sirber
@Pamel

That's what I wanted to say. A forum for RV-related stuff.

You mean RM-related stuff, right? :D

[Neo Neko]

Well folks. I honestly don't see it. There is simply not enough volume IMO to justify such a thing and all the work it would entail. Appointing new mods, or increasing the work load of super mods. Is this forum not serving your needs? If so let your friendly mods know so we can make changes if nescessary.

[Koepi]

And what about you unfriendly mods? Don't they deserve a notice, too? ;)

SCNR,
Koepi

[Sirber]

Lol

I just wanted peoples opinion. Or maybe I wanted to start a war... ;).

Anyway, I think it would be great to have a place for RM-related stuff, because here it's all mixed up.

[Neo Neko]

So we should organise the new formats section better?

[midiguy]

poll is dead even, 19 to 19.

I also think it would be a great idea! there are many other forums that get much less posts than an Real Media forum would. Also, I think people want to discuss real media more, its just less convenient because of the current arragnement of bundling all this styff in the New A/V Formars forum.


I hate typos, screw em, DEAL!

[Neo Neko]

Well I think the fact that the poll was posted here is very telling. Why not somewhere like the general discussion section. Had it been the vote would be decidedly one sided in favor of keeping things as they are now. I can't see the general population as desiring such a thing. Not yet.

[Atamido]

I think the problem is that the forum is divided screwy. The "MPEG-4 and Co." contains the "New A/V Formats"? I mean, WTF?

There should be a "Video Codecs" section that includes "MPEG-4", "Real Media", "Windows Media", and then a "New A/V Formats" section. MPEG-2 has so many variations that it belongs in its own category, which is how it is.

But, why do the other three major types of video codecs not have their own sections? And saying that the majority of the users on Doom9 wouldn't care isn't a valid argument. Most people don't care about most of the categories, but they are divided for the people that do.

It really does seem silly that Doom9, THE video encoding forum, doesn't have seperate sections for the four most popular video codecs.

And I agree that it would be a lot of work to reorganize that part of the forum, and that it would be a pain to assign mods for those groups, but you have to admit that this is something that probably should have been done a loooooooong time ago.

Either way, Doom9 is a great place, and will continue to be whatever is done with the forums. It worked long before I got here and I'm sure the mods have a much better idea of how things should be run.

[akabob]

RV9 community is starting to grow, Helix producer latest builds becomes better and better and I think it would be a great idea to create a Real Media dedicated forum coz it does not really exist anywhere else around the web.

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[Sirber]

Those two last reply are great :) I totaly agree with them.

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by Pamel
I think the problem is that the forum is divided screwy. The "MPEG-4 and Co." contains the "New A/V Formats"? I mean, WTF?

MPEG4 is a new AV format itself. And there are new formats being discussed in new formats that are still part of MPEG4. H.264 to be specific. And though it is the least developed of all discussed alternatives I think it offers the most potential for discussion and otherwise.

Originally posted by Pamel
There should be a "Video Codecs" section that includes "MPEG-4", "Real Media", "Windows Media", and then a "New A/V Formats" section. MPEG-2 has so many variations that it belongs in its own category, which is how it is.

The recent reorganisation we just went through where we got thrown in with MPEG4 and Co. was all about consolidating forums. We might see a section being moved. But I think new sections are still not in the cards. Look at the poor Nandub SBC evangelists. They have been lumped in with Divx4 what some of them would consider the ultimate injustice. The trick is that I doubt a RV9 or WM9 forums is going to generate the same or more traffic than the new Divx3/4 section with it's combined traffic.

Originally posted by Pamel
But, why do the other three major types of video codecs not have their own sections? And saying that the majority of the users on Doom9 wouldn't care isn't a valid argument.

Doom9 runs the forum for himself and his users. As such the majority generally rules. Whether or not we like it. So it is a valid argument.

Originally posted by Pamel
Most people don't care about most of the categories, but they are divided for the people that do.

How so? I have just the opposite impression.

Originally posted by Pamel
It really does seem silly that Doom9, THE video encoding forum, doesn't have seperate sections for the four most popular video codecs.

Well he has forums covering MPEG 1, 2, and 4 do indeed have their own sections. What is the fourth one?

Originally posted by Pamel
And I agree that it would be a lot of work to reorganize that part of the forum, and that it would be a pain to assign mods for those groups, but you have to admit that this is something that probably should have been done a loooooooong time ago.

Hardly. Had we done it a long time ago there would have been no released codecs to be discussed in their respective section. All for naught. They are still quite new.

Don't get your panties in a bunch here. I am not saying that it should never have it's own section. Just that now is not the time. Patience is called for. Once I see some apreciable movement and development on helix I will likely promote it myself. But untill then and even a bit after I can't see it warranting it's own section yet.

[Sirber]

:(

Too bad. Better chances next time!

[Doom9]

the no side seems to be winning ;) Either way, the issue has come up before and myself and karl_lillevold have agreed to just make the rv9 thread sticky and leave the rest as it is for now. We have restructured a lot in the past and there are enough forums "on probation" right now. Changing things all the time isn't so great for the casual visitor as he/she tends to get confused. Changes should only be made if they really help to improve things and if there's enough interest. I do periodically evaluate the traffic in all the forums we have, and forums that fall below a certain treshold will be merged with other forums on related subjects. In the case of rv9 I'm not convinced that there's enough interest to merit its own forum.

[Sirber]

Ok. I understand. No problem. :)

[Atamido]

The gods have spoken. As it has been said, let it be done. :devil: