I get filesizes of 4.37Gb everytime using IC (guide inc)

[MackemX]

we all complain about the resulting filesize regading IC

If your file is over or under the blank DVD limit after the 1st run, well here is how to reduce/increase it after the 1st run within as little as 10 minutes

GUIDE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/GUIDE/2big.htm)

read the full guide and you will see at the bottom I suggest it is better to oversize and decrease the extras, rather than increase them. This keeps the movie (the most important factor) at it's highest quality

any questions just ask, but don't knock it till you've tried it cos it works just fine for me, and if you do have problems just post and I will offer advice

I've got IC eating outta the palm of my hand :D

I have even got a filesize predicting program using Excel, if people are interested. You input each titles original video data and what % you allocate it. Saves the guessing and I oversize everytime now by just a fraction. IC is unpredictable when it comes to extras but the movie due to it's size is a little more predictable

I have recorded every piece of data for the last 15 movies and looked at the relation between the original/predicted/actual video sizes and what % was allocated for each Title within the DVD (that's some data I can tell you)

Removing Audio/Subs does not affect the resulting video only filesizes either, only by a tiny amount (less than 0.01%)

rather than using IC to remove Titles, I suggest you use Ifo edit as it does the job everytime with 100% accuracy when used correctly whereas IC doesn't. I would post a guide for that but there are plenty available but I will mention for you to only delete the relevant VOB's ID's within a VOB and not just all of them as some VOB's contain tiny VOB's ID which are important to the DVD's structure

using this info you will realise the full potential of this excellent tool when used properly with DVDDecrypter & Ifoedit

I have a few more tips but cannot recall them at the moment, but I can say check the menu as sometimes if you set it to 50% it is actually not 50% of the total size so keep the main menu at around 60% as this causes no errors compared to setting it to 30%

Hope this helps at least one person, if so job done :D

[neo_sapien]

I'd like to take a look at the filesize predicting program using excel.

[neo_sapien]

BUMP

[MackemX]

sorry, forgot about this, I went out last night just as I'd read your post

I will upload file as soon as I can and post back here

I have around 5 versions now :D, dunno which one to use as series DVD's seem to work totally different

so I branched off and made one for series and one for movies

back soon :)

[vljenewein]

I got a full version copy of DVD95COPY at DVD9 to 5 Copy web site (http://www.dvd95copy.com) and having messed with it, it seems to do what you are doing with IC automatically. I watch the movie with extras burned onto 1 dvd. It figures the extras and compresses them more to fit and does not compress the main part of the movie as much so the quality will be sharper for the movie and less sharp for the extras, menus etc.

Burned "Frequency" to the maximum limit on a DVD using Nero and came out beautiful. The menus are all there along with the extras, etc., but they were compressed a lot more.

I also did a movie of Men In Black I and at first was dissapointed. I watched the full screen version and thought that the picture quality was not up to DVD2ONE. I then watched the widescreen version and it was excellent!! Come to find out from the developer that the full screen is interpreted as an "extra" and hence gets a lot more compression. This is something he is going to be working on in next releases, but as long as you know what it does you won't be surprised to find it. :D

This guide of MisterX is using IFOedit very wisely to get the maximum quality from the images burned on a DVD using IC.. there is no doubt about that.:)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by neo_sapien
I'd like to take a look at the filesize predicting program using excel.
try this [filesize] (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/ICpred.xls) or download HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/ICpred.zip)

set all the menu's and extras first to what % you want, then move the movie to make IC predict a green 4.32Gb

then fill in the predicted sizes for each Title, not the actual

add your risk factor :)

then it will show what to set IC size too , so slide only the main movie bar along until IC predicts the same as the total shown

this is the one I use for movies and extras but I never keep any @100% unless they are very small

different % settings and titles selected within IC seem to give varying sizes, movies are normally predictable but extras are volatile depending on video content

I also cut all the rubbish out first and give IC the job of reducing video. Stripping audio/subs using IC doesn't seem to have great affect on it so I also use IC

if resulting filesize is slightly over then just run one of the extras through IC by itself

have you read this, I use it just in case I go over and now I aim to just oversize then I can reduce it in as little as 10 minutes using the guide without running the whole process again

This ensures I get as much space for my main movie at a good % but only sacrifice a little more on the extra when removing a few 0.0xGb if need be

my guide (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/2big.htm)

I hope it works for you as good as it does for me, but I just use it as a guide

Admittedly some movies have been freaky but recoverable withouit a 2nd run. Series DVD's will be no good for this excel sheet probably due to them having high quality video content throughout, still yet to see a pattern


these were the actual % reductions with a 6 episode DVD set to 57.22%

1)56.66
2)54.99
3)58.14
4)56.29
5)52.22
6)53.97

as you can see it's ok with the 1st then goes down on the 2nd, it makes the wasted % back up in the 3rd, then back down again in 4th and again in 5th but it's back on the climb in the last and may have been higher again if there was a 7th episode

the higher the % setting and bigger the movie the closer to 94% of predicted size is what you end up with, as IC can normally settle down with one big file, but with extras or episode DVD's it's useless as much as 10% out. I had an Title in BTTF3 that was 1.13Gb@67.09% predicting 773Mb but it was actually 656 MB at the finish which was 56.69% of 1.13Gb. I have had it the other way round too with 117MB@70% predicting 59MB and it was 115MB after! (0.05GB too much!!), actually 98%

so predicting is impossible with some DVD's, but stripping 1st then using the calculator and 2big guide I get there quicker than I would just guessing and doing a full 2nd run guessing again

[MackemX]

Originally posted by neo_sapien
I'd like to take a look at the filesize predicting program using excel.

I have a new sheet and I record the original video title size, the % setting, predicted size and actual size for each title

I'm gonna upload quite soon

this then works out the actual % and I can see how to adjust a certain title for the 2nd run using the 2big guide as like I said before each Title is affected independently with filesize prediction

but updating it I have messed it all up :(, gonna try and sort it now

[neo_sapien]

I used this excel sheet on Malcom X (R1), and the resulting pdi files came out to a total of 4.13 gigs.

[MackemX]

yeah, I messed up up a little trying to get it to work with all DVD's

but now I know it's impossible to predict the filesize

the best way to do it to to record your 1st run settings and then use them in a 2nd run if it is too far out

this is what I use
recorder (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/recorder.xls) or download it here ZIP FILE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/recorder.zip)

It all depends on the movie and how many extras you are going to keep, the movie is normally within 90.5%-94% of the predicted total but extras can range from 80%-99%!, and this is what affects the outcome

Using this new sheet, you record the sizes, before and after, then input how many MB you are over or under into the column it will estimate what settings to use for the 2nd run, but yu may only have to run a few Titles so use the guide for incorrect filesize solutions HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/GUIDE/2big.htm)(same as old one but a little easier on the eye:)

[dumb13]

@MisterX,

Just wanted to thank your efforts put in your IC guides - great stuff indeed.

Regards
dumb

PS.: point 7. of the guides (IC settings) seems missing two pics (the third and the last one) somehow

[MackemX]

forgot to upload when I updated page

sorted now tho

cheers

[neo_sapien]

Now I have absolutely seen it all. I'm convinced that filesize prediction is nigh-impossible with Instantcopy.

I ran a first pass on Reign of Fire R1 and ended up with a 4.19 gig filesize. I entered everything into the excel spreadsheet, and ran a 2nd second pass. The only difference from the first was that the movie on the second pass was supposed to be 232 megs bigger. I went from 85.31% to 90.98%.

Here's the amazing part: the 2nd pass result came out SMALLER. The second pass was 4.12 gigs. The only thing I changed was the main movie. I'm beginning to think that IC has the most extroardinarily ridiculous filesize prediction ever.


Smaller! HA!

SMALLER!

*shakes fist in the air*

[MackemX]

1st I heard of that :)

I always set the movie high to begin with by adding the extra 300MB to that and adjust the extras afterwards if I'm under or over as it's much quicker and easier, but I never had anything like that b4 :confused:

oh well, cant win em all, but it does seem weird how it did it!

so basically its telling you to set it at 75% to get it right, stupid program!

whoever wrote the filesize predictor for Pinnacle obviously wasnt good at maths

[dumb13]

Folks,

Do you close IC and restart it again between two runs? I found that if you start a new session with new settings but not exiting IC after the previous session it calculates really weird values, and the end result is far from what you'd expect based on the calculations.

In a "fresh" IC, it seems more predictable.

Regards
dumb

[neo_sapien]

yes, i close and restart.

[fusion007]

ive found that my file sizes come out alot better if i can get the movie close to(as possible)100% i know this aint always possible its just some thing ive noticed.

[Oneiroxy]

Since I am impatient, I don't want to wait for IC to do its bussiness for two+ hours, I have found that if you take the size from the current created xx.pdi files in your destination folder and divide that with your "total %" indicated from IC for the total operation i.e. at two instances @10% and @25% it results a quite accurate figure of what your final file-size is going to be! Unfortunatelly I have only varyfied this technique for movie only backups (by using IFOedit first). I am trying to do something similar for full back-ups (but with DVDs of no very complex structure, many tiles, vts etc)

[MackemX]

movie are quite predictable, its the extras the unbalance it all in greater effect

you can put an extra @ 50% and it still comes out at 95% of the original size, thats the worst I've seen and the original size was 195MB or so, it was 80MB(0.07Gb) out!, just on one Title

[ic doktor]

Still needing to trim off about 12 meg off my ic backed up copy of Goldfinger i attempted to trim a bit off an extra using ic again and ran into the "out of bounds" error on every single extra title set. And these extras weren't small, several were more than 400 meg. I tried running dvd2one and set the target size for an appropriate reduction for one of the extras, replaced the VOB file in the original ic vob set, ran IFO update and it worked mike a charm. And it only took about 2 minutes. My dvd file size was then 4.37 gig exactly.

[MackemX]

if you get that OOB error you have to pick some more titles but put them to 100% so it just copies them directly across and adjust the only title you want to reduce

this is for people who dont have the option of both DVD2One & IC

good suggestion tho for people who do have both :)