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Espen
1st March 2003, 14:16
Do you people have any problems labeling your dvds?

I usually label all my dvds, because it look much better than just write on the dvd. So far they have worked fine on my computer dvd players as well as on sony and pioneer stand alone players. Yesterday a friend of my borrowed some dvds from me and he got some problems(He is using a LG electonic dvd standalone player).

The first dvd played fine, but start to freeze in the last chapter. He took it out and played it again and now it played fine through the whole movie. Next movie also played fine to the last chapter where it start to frezze!

I guess this playback problems have to do with the labels, but it seems to be playback problem just on a few players I think thats strange!

gooki
1st March 2003, 21:07
Thermal printers work well.

padre
2nd March 2003, 02:18
Espen,

I've found the weight of the label has alot to do with it too. I used to use the standard Neato-type paper labels, and had some of the same problems. Most of the time is because the label is just slightly off center, causing wobble.

Then I moved to a clear, very thin translucent label from CompuLabel. I've labelled hundreds of DVDs with them with no problems reading in every player tried. They're great labels!

Recently I went to the final step, I bought a CD/DVD printer (EZ/CD Printer). Works great! I see Epson has finally started selling the 960 with CD tray in the US.

atreides93
3rd March 2003, 19:33
Try hub labels...they're a lot smaller and shouldn't affect it as much. People have reported problems in the past with full cd labels affecting playback.

padre
3rd March 2003, 23:36
Yup, the hub labels are great! They work awesome for the double-sided discs, too!

Seraphic
4th March 2003, 01:55
Ok I got 12 movies to re-burn cause Princo 1x cannot handle my labels.

I do not have problems labeling Ritek & Verbatim and they always play fine. So I thought I was home free with Princo. Nope. They pixelize at about halfway through the dvd with a label. I think the heat in my dvd player is causing the label and the dvd polymer to contract at different rates. When the player qand dvd disc is cold I get much less problems in the usual rough spots.

Re-printing the lables and sticking the lables on the plastic pouch in dvd binder. Got to keep the crappy Princos clean.

I like labels. Going to order some ritek. I have 200 paper labels so I don't want to buy he plastic ones for now.

CouJo
21st March 2003, 08:47
I had also such labeling problems. Almost every labled DVD+RW (German Platinum "Brand" und Imation "Brand") freeze in every player. All medias worked fine before labeling. It's a very interesting behavior because these medias are build in 2 layers in the Dye is placed between these 2 layers. So the DVD media should be much more resistant against labeling as CD media.

spruceland
21st March 2003, 12:02
Researched this a lot in various forums. The consenus is that dvd labels do in fact ruin play on dvd players. I had bad luck w/ glossy labels and Riteks. I no longer use them. What someone recommened was a very "thin scotch tape like" label. I've never seen them but hear they make them. I would go w/ these or the hub labels.

padre
21st March 2003, 12:13
Here's a place for the thin, translucent labels I used to use (before I bought my EZ/CD printer).

http://www.cdlabel.com/product_spec.asp?prodID=375052

They are just as spruceland described. I own about 200 Riteks that have been labelled with them, no problems.

klona
21st March 2003, 17:17
I think it's related to rotating speed. Higher the speed is, the more a small problem of unbalance or eccentricity on the disc will cause problem. Linked to that is the track size on a DVDR much smaller than on a CDR; ie, the same vibration level cause no trouble with a cd, and cause read error with a DVD.

Personnaly, I would avoid label on DVD. More, nobody knows what will be the effect of the glue on the media in a few years.

mastermind140
21st March 2003, 17:41
Well I learned all the above the hard way. I have found a very effective way to remove labels. Soak the DVD with label in "Goo Gone" for about ten minutes. (A lid from a 25 DVD holder works great to soak in.) Then the label will slip right off. Next wash the DVD by hand with dish soap. Pat dry with a cotton dish cloth.

Andykard
21st March 2003, 17:52
I too think DVDs look much more professional with a proper label. I had problems with Princo disks, they would not take regular labels and play, but they were fine with hub labels. Now I stick with Ritek G3s and Avery DVD labels and have done dozens this way and they work all the way through and no pixelations. Stick with what works!

Alex787
22nd March 2003, 07:19
What do you guys think about writing on the dvds with a felt tip marker/pen???

djadjet
22nd March 2003, 18:58
@ Alex787

Does the job, but looks like crap.

markrb
24th March 2003, 07:22
What do you guys think about writing on the dvds with a felt tip marker/pen???

Most regular markers or pens do not work well. The ink needs to soak into the material to dry correctly and not easily come off. If you use a marker make sure it's a permanent marker like a Sharpie otherwise you can wipe it right off with your hand or if you use a pen you can harm the disk since it's too strong a tip.

It also does look like crap.

Some people believe the main problem with labels is that as they heat up they warp the disc and cause problems. I don't use labels, but I can see that happening.

Mark

Vipermania
24th March 2003, 16:00
Where can you find those labels ? I can't find them anywhere in Europe (Belgium for me). Can anyone help me out here ?
Thx in advance

mastermind140
24th March 2003, 17:13
Originally posted by Vipermania
Where can you find those labels ? I can't find them anywhere in Europe (Belgium for me). Can anyone help me out here ?
Thx in advance


Try www.surething.uk.com or www.surething-france.com

Alex787
24th March 2003, 20:11
We should start a poll, to see how many have had a problem with DVD labels.

Also can somebody tell me why my signature link don't work?

flanman
24th March 2003, 23:05
I have burned over 100 DVD's and labeled all of them. Have not had any problems with playback on stand alone or PC player. Using cheap princo 1x media with Neato basic labels.

flanman

Vipermania
25th March 2003, 14:43
mastermind : those from surething are not those ultra light clear labels , are they ??
(Or i'm blind and i can't find them)

mastermind140
25th March 2003, 16:24
Originally posted by Vipermania
mastermind : those from surething are not those ultra light clear labels , are they ??
(Or i'm blind and i can't find them)

No you are not blind. I made the mistake of assuming their euroupean sites were the same as the one in the US.

Try this but I don't know if it is any help in europe.


http://www.surething.com/ST/Category.asp?CatCode=CD_HUB_LABELS

Vipermania
25th March 2003, 18:31
Thx for the help allready but from what I can see (without registering) they don't ship to belgium (or it will be more expensive than the labels itself) and then the other problem is that i would prefer the full labels (clear and thin) rather than the hub labels. It looks much nicer when the label covers the full cd !
I never realised that labeling would be such a problem.
I found those compulabels on the internet somewhere on an american site but they would cost me 34$ for the labels but when the shipping is included it would cost me nearly 100$ (now that's a bit silly !)
so that's why i'm looking for at least a european store, or another brand or whatever ...

Richard Iredale
1st April 2003, 22:59
I did a project about 3 months ago that involved burning about 50 DVD-R disks. I used "Meritline" glossy labels, printed with an Epson C80, and the results were very attractive, quite comparable to what replicated Hollywood disks look like. The Epson inks are totally waterproof, smearproof, and won't fade like the dye inks used in HP and Canon printers. The labels were applied carefully with a Stomper device, and I borrowed my wife's rolling pin and a couple of cotton cloths to make sure the labels were smoothly attached.

Out of the 50 distributed to the families, about 3 failed to play, and of those 3, 1 would play only if it was unlabelled. In other words, I think labels work fine if you are careful.

eugchen
2nd April 2003, 23:23
i use the fellowes cd labels, print with a laser color printer, and they work fine. i do not know what will happen in 10 years however.

riprazor
3rd April 2003, 18:20
Use a sharpie, it is cheap and it works (it may look like crap but you can't see it when it is in the machine!). When you want to erase it, take a little bit of rubbing alchohol on a tissue and wipe it off, just don't use to much.

int_53185
4th April 2003, 06:43
HI! i label my dvd's....no problem with playback...use memorex paper labels...i have found one thing however...if i apply the label before burning...the disc wont play in my standalones....they wont even read the disc....but if i apply the label after burning...no problems whatsoever...ritek dvd-r...int

Vipermania
4th April 2003, 10:19
Since i've read all these people with normal labels and everything still works, I tried to put the labels back on my dvd's and indeed everything kept working. i'm a happy man now :-)
So it must mean that i made a mistake when burning the dvd.
Is it possible that my DMR-E20 has problems with ifo-edited dvd's.
I noticed than when i use DVD2One , that my dvd-player (E20) plays without any problem, if i use ifo-edit, it sometimes refuses to play (although in windows it plays and on my Xbox as well...)

callstreet
10th October 2003, 19:28
My old Apex AD1500 plays labeled DVD's without a problem. I'm using about the cheapest DVD-R's, switching among several bands. I wonder if there are sure problems, why the shops still selling the labels without warning? Now even Staples sells them, for use on CD's and DVD's!

Now I have a new player and started to notice freeze up problems. My old AD1500 is legendary - it plays hundreds of rental disc (Netflix) without a hint of problem. And hundreds of DVD's with labels. The next best I've tried is the Apex 3 disc changer. Since the disc can play when the tray is open, you can see that the spinning disc is not perfect. A bit noisy, but still plays, though not as good as the 1500. The Sony NC665P just rejects the same disc outright. The manual also said it don't play labeled discs! I was wondering what that means before I discovered this thread. Did other brand of players warned against DVD's with labels on?

Thanks to my old AD1500, I enjoyed copying the original artwork on the DVD disc and cover just as I enjoyed copying the DVD itself. Now I've a problem. I wonder if any other players have exceptional playback abilities for non-ideal discs? I use bargain basement DVD-R's, 2x and 4x. I use a home made tool to put the labels on - not perfect but saved a few dollars. It have to be multidisc though, otherwise I would have brought another APEX.