InstantCopy Navigation Errors

[lusid]

I've tried 3 discs with InstantCopy, and all 3 had navigation errors on my standalone players. They play normally on my PC software players, and IFOEdit's DVD Player.

TwinPeaks Disc 1:
-Selecting the Episode Features menu for either episode plays the transition, then instead of going to the menu page it starts playing the episode.

TwinPeaks Disc 2:
-Same as Disc 1

Ice Age Extras disc:
-None of the features return to the main menu or their respective submenus. The player hangs at the end of each feature/trailer/etc.

The video quality looks quite good, so it's a shame the program's output has these problems. I looked for obvious errors, like cell sector addresses, but the IFOs look fine. I'm going to try one more before I give up, but so far it's 0 for 3.

Perhaps this should become a Sticky thread, to gather reported navigation errors with InstantCopy.

[bimmel_id]

Did you extract your pdi files instant copy produced with ultraiso???

I did that and burned this video_ts folder and the copys got errors.

Problem was that UltraISO is not able to extract the pdi files right.

I used the little pdixtract.exe from the forum here and voila!!!

the movie was OK...

maybe thos helps you out!!!

[lusid]

Actually I used PDIExtract, and burned with Primo 2.0
I have an A03, and IC7 doesn't seem to like my burner.

[Jafco]

I had navigation errors too. This seemed to happen most when still images from the menus were recompressed. For example, when pressing a menu button, it would act as if it were on the next menu, but not show the correct still image for the menu (subpictures were from the next menu, however).

When I left the menus at 100%, it seemed to be fine (but that's not a very large sample size).

[lusid]

I also re-tested everything on both of my standalones, and got different results:
Phillips DVD825:
-TwinPeak 1,2&3 menu navigation error
-Ice Age Extras plays normally

Toshiba SD2800
-TwinPeaks plays normally
-Ice Age hangs returning to menus
-Sweet Home Alabama plays normally (not tested on other unit yet)

I have not seen these types of issues with backups made using other methods. Something isn't right.

[valnar]

I had an issue too. I copied Sarah McLachlan's Mirrorball concert and it played fine with PowerDVD. On my standalone Pioner, it skipped certain chapters. ie. it went from 15 to 19.

If I am on chapter 15 and press the 'next chapter' button on my remote, it goes to 16 with no problems.

All this plays right through on a software DVD player.

-Robert

[bimmel_id]

hi i found out that my menu was with error when i copied the movie signs!
after i did the compression by myself withe the slidebar and gave the menu 100% and so no comprssion, after encoding with IC7 everthing was fine!

Maybe it is better not to compress the menues!!!

[Jafco]

bimmel_id,

I think you're right. Compressing the menus seems to give IC some difficulty. For now, I'm going to not compress the menus (unless they're HUGE).

Here's hoping for an update.

[lusid]

I did 6th Day, keeping menus at 100%, and it played normally.

I did Planet of the Apes, compressing the 600+ megs of menus, and the movie plays fine, but hangs at the end instead of returning to the menu.

Perhaps compressing the menus is the problem. I need to do some more testing. Darn glad it's a 15 day demo, I still have 9 days of debugging to look forward to.

[valnar]

Originally posted by lusid
I did 6th Day, keeping menus at 100%, and it played normally.

I did Planet of the Apes, compressing the 600+ megs of menus, and the movie plays fine, but hangs at the end instead of returning to the menu.

I would be grateful to know if Planet of the Apes works fine with IC when the menus are 100%. I have the box set, but haven't tackled it just yet.

-Robert

[EpyxZ]

IC7 hangs at all my menu's. I have tried several different movies on several different Home players and I get menu hangs w& without compression on the menu's.. arg I realy hope they give alot of support for this considering I purchased it.. :( so far, no offense to all you hard core IC people, but DVD2One wins with no contest. I have purchased both and Personaly I think vid quality via DVD2One (Even when u use MakeItEasy *not even needed anymore* and ifoedit for Full DVD backups) blows ic7 away not to mention, even though to make full backups with DVD2One you have a few extra steps and need extra software, it still beats the time i have wasted burning these 1:1 copies that dont work worth a crap with IC7..(and yes i have v7.0.0.91)

[dvdRENEGADE]

@lusid

Did the movie hang at the end using your standalone player? I did a backup of Pinocchio and it would hang right before the end of the movie using PowerDVD. I tried it on my standalone and it worked properly and returned me to the root menu.
dvdRENEGADE

[dumb13]

I don't know, if it is the issue in your case, but many people reported, that a cheap DVD media can also be part of the problem...

Anyhow, keeping the menu at 100% just makes sense, though not always practical (i.e., 600MB menu of four languages, just waste of space...)

Regards
dumb

[EZMD]

This is worth a try! I had the exact same problem with Bandits. I did an auto copy and all worked well but it was 4.5 Gb and I had to override warning to burn. Behind the scenes was cropped off. All menus worked well.

Round 2: I reduced the extras to 42% and had the movie around 75%. The menu's were compressed too.. 42% I think. You can see a difference, not horrible but it's a menu... I didn't care. Plays fine on PC but in stand alone player it jumps to one of the special features and navigation menus are disabled. One other concern is I'm using the reghack on the 0.91 version and it works. I dumped the logos and crap. Not sure if this was my problem.

Going to try round 3 and leave menus at the automatic setting and all others will resize. Will dump the logos and crap for consistancy and to see if the navigation error is a result of removing extra stuff.

[lusid]

I'll give Planet of the apes another try without compressing menus, as a test. 2/3 of the menu space is actually behind the scenes footage, white rabbit style. They just implemented it as a motion menu for some reason.

I have the extras disc running now, menus at 100%, so we'll see.

I'm using Princo 2x, and I've had 1 bad (as in defective) disc out of the last 150. Same media, using other copying methods, doesn't have these problems.

The playback problems have only been on my standalone. Programs will hang either at or just before the end and never return to the menu. Sometimes I can chapter back into the video and hit the menu button to get out. I've tried WinDVD4 and PowerDVD4 and neither had a problem.

[lusid]

I did some testing with reprocessing my InstantCopy backups with IFOEdit, and it seems to be able to solve some of my navigation problems.

I took my ICE Age Extras backup that wouldn't return to the menus and ran VOB Extras with Correct Vob-Unit (Navigation Pack) pointers in VOB-Files enabled, and Correct original IFO files enabled, and then saved the IFO when it finished. I did this for each VTS set and re-burned it, now it plays perfectly.

I tried running the same options in Menu Extras on another dvd, but after that it wouldn't play at all in my standalone.

Since I can't burn directly from InstantCopy, I'm not sure if the problem is with instantcopy itself, or with the PDIXtract utility.

[lusid]

I have been able to confirm that the issue is caused by instantcopy, and not any of the post-IC7 extraction processes. I have been able to burn directly from instantcopy, and the issue remains.

I have been leaving the menus at 100%, and the issue remains.

The player is a Toshiba SD-2800, the problem is an inability to return to the menu after playing video from a vts set.

The workaround seems to be extracting the files and rebuilding the vob nav packs with IFOedit.

[lusid]

I think I found the problem.

IC7 is not correcting the SYNCI table at offset 0599 in the vob nav packs. It seems to be retaining the original offsets which are no longer valid for the recompressed vob.

It's amazing IC7 backups work as well as they do, since it's telling the player the audio stream is someplace it's not.

Major Bug.

I'll stop replying to myself now.

[valnar]

Originally posted by lusid
I think I found the problem.

IC7 is not correcting the SYNCI table at offset 0599 in the vob nav packs. It seems to be retaining the original offsets which are no longer valid for the recompressed vob.

It's amazing IC7 backups work as well as they do, since it's telling the player the audio stream is someplace it's not.

Major Bug.

Is there a way we can fix it manually? Does this happen on other DVD's too?

[lusid]

It happens on every dvd.

Since every NAV pack of every VOB needs to be fixed, using VOB extras in IFO edit seems to be the only way to fix it.

Run it with these options checked:
-Correct VOB-Unit (Navigation Pack pointers
-Correct original IFO files
-Adjust Vob-Unit pointers
-Adjust Audio/Subp point.

Then re-save the ifo.

And whatever you do, don't let it re-compress the menus. I still haven't found a way to repair them once it's done. Running those same options in Menu Extras breaks the menus completely.

[lusid]

I did a binary comparison of an original menu vob and a instantcopy menu vob done at 100%, and they are not identical.

This may explain why I was getting navigation errors in my twin peaks backup even though I had left the menus at 100%.

It's changing the pointers to the reference frame end blocks, around offset 413 - offset 41E in the nav packs, and it's changing the system clock reference in the audio packs at offset 0004 - 0009.

Since the original menus work correctly and the modified menus do not, I think the best thing to do would be to run IC7 with menus at 100%, then replace the IC7 menu vobs with the untouched originals.

At this point I think IC7 should only be used on multi-angle titles that cannot be done correctly with DVD2ONE.

[MackemX]

can I people who have navigation problems are you keeping all titles and what is the lowest % you are setting in any of the titles?

How come I have not had one problem with IC not in over 25 DVD's now?

All I can suggest to people who seem to have navigation problems if you are removing Titles is to use Ifoedit to remove them before using IC and make sure you do it properly as IC is too unreliable to remove Titles as it deletes to many VOB ID's

I strip all the stuff I don't want using ifoedit and never set anything less than 40% and always leave the main menu @60% and even for the largest DVD's I can still set the main movie over 60% which is still acceptable regarding the size of what I kept

[lusid]

If you're not having problems, it says more about the tolerance of your dvd player than the output of instantcopy.

The errors are there, just look at the nav packs in vobedit.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
If you're not having problems, it says more about the tolerance of your dvd player than the output of instantcopy.

The errors are there, just look at the nav packs in vobedit.
Can you tell me how to do this and what I'm looking for, as I would like to check just out of interest but I'm not that familiar with Vobedit as I've never used it

Cheers

[lusid]

Sure,

First, grab an original vob from a movie and open it up in vobedit. In the left column you'll see a list of packs by their LBA address, started at address 0.

At address 0, you'll see a Navigation Pack. Select that.

Now on the right you'll see it's contents, listed by the byte address within that pack. Scroll down to Byte [0599], which starts the Synchronous Information (SYNCI) table.

This lists the offsets to the various audio and subtitle streams within the vob, and tells the player where to get the audio data that goes along with the video following that nav pack.

Lets say for example that the offset for audiostream1 is 19, add that to the address of out nav pack (0) and you get 19. so if you look at the left pane at LBA 19, you'll see the audiopack for stream1.

This is as it should be. the player knows when it hits that nav pack, where to find the audio for the stream it's supposed to be playing.

Now look at the same nav pack in the InstantCopy compressed version, you'll find that the SYNCI table still contains the original offset values, even though the related audio packs are in a different location.

[^Sp|ke^]

just did t2 and the player crashes when going to either movie menus got a toshiba-sd2200 unfortunately i can't use ifoedit to redo the nav pacs cause it only supports 1 pgc

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
Sure,

First, grab an original vob......related audio packs are in a different location.
in simple terms please :D

bit much to take in but this what I have for Back to the Future 3

a value of 8 in [0599] and 9 for [059b] in the original vob
in the new vob I now just have 118 @ [0599] and nothing in [059b]

I presume this is because I stripped the DTS?

so what do I check for now?

I can see that no's 000008 & 000009 in the left window are AC3 & DTS soundtracks in the original vob and 000118 is just the AC3 in the new vob, is this correct, or am I looking at the wrong thing?

[^Sp|ke^]

well my original 599 is in 5 and the new vob has 5 at 599 as well with the same ac3 in the 5th address as it should be

[lusid]

^Sp|ke^: Look ahead a few nav packs, into the next vobID, your first couple vobIds may not be part of the movie. (wb, etc.)

MisterX, in your original vob was ac3 at pack 8 or pack 9? and where did that pack end up after recompression? 118 isn't the value I'd expect, but if you're recompressing I would expect a number less than 9. I'll pull BTTF tonight and try it here. Stripping streams may change things. Also, which build are you using? Mine's the legit demo, expires in a couple days.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
I did 6th Day, keeping menus at 100%, and it played normally.

I did Planet of the Apes, compressing the 600+ megs of menus, and the movie plays fine, but hangs at the end instead of returning to the menu.

Perhaps compressing the menus is the problem. I need to do some more testing. Darn glad it's a 15 day demo, I still have 9 days of debugging to look forward to.
can I ask if you deleted any of the small titles for Planet of the Apes?
the ones it normally plays at the end, i.e. logo, macrovision, copyright warning because if it can't find them to play it just hangs. IC is useless at removing. What happens if you press Title menu on your remote?

or are you leaving all titles intact?
Originally posted by lusid
^Sp|ke^: Look ahead a few nav packs, into the next vobID, your first couple vobIds may not be part of the movie. (wb, etc.)

MisterX, in your original vob was ac3 at pack 8 or pack 9? and where did that pack end up after recompression? 118 isn't the value I'd expect, but if you're recompressing I would expect a number less than 9. I'll pull BTTF tonight and try it here. Stripping streams may change things. Also, which build are you using? Mine's the legit demo, expires in a couple days.
same version, but you will not get teh same version of BTTF as me as I strip 1st using ifoedit to get rid of the usual stuff, but I'm extremely careful as to what VOB ID's I delete as some are dummies and just contain a blank screen but are essential to the DVD, cos if you delete them it just hangs which is what you guys are experiencing but I cannot understand why if you aren't using IC to strip, but I can if you are :)

2 outta the 1st 4 I used IC to remove titles and had navigation problems, until I switched to using ifoedit and keeping menus @60% and not setting anything less than 40% and keeping all titles

not one problem in the last 25 :D, so I feel sorry for you guys cos IC is messing you about :(

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
^Sp|ke^: Look ahead a few nav packs, into the next vobID, your first couple vobIds may not be part of the movie. (wb, etc.)

MisterX, in your original vob was ac3 at pack 8 or pack 9? and where did that pack end up after recompression? 118 isn't the value I'd expect, but if you're recompressing I would expect a number less than 9. I'll pull BTTF tonight and try it here. Stripping streams may change things. Also, which build are you using? Mine's the legit demo, expires in a couple days.
ac3 pack 8 ended up @ 118
DTS pack 9

I think, still not familiar with Vobedit :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by EZMD

Going to try round 3 and leave menus at the automatic setting and all others will resize. Will dump the logos and crap for consistancy and to see if the navigation error is a result of removing extra stuff.
that is your problem, use ifoedit to strip, I cannot stress it enough (use it wisely)

only delete VOB ID's you are 100% contain the logos etc

I have noticed some VOB's contain say 5 VOB ID's yet only 2 video sequences, that is because the other are just blank screen, probably chaging screen format from 4:3 to 16:9 vice versa or something else

use PowerDVD but not in Full window mode and you will see what I mean how the PowerDVD screen changes shape while starting DVD or going through menu or the screen flashes black

I cannot put it any clearer, do not use IC to strip Titles as it will not work 100% of the time as it butchers the structure, use ifoedit and only strip the VOB ID's that you know exactly what they contain and leave the rest

If you do you will enjoy the 100% success rate I get now

as for people not removing Titles I do not have a clue :confused:

[MackemX]

Originally posted by ^Sp|ke^
just did t2 and the player crashes when going to either movie menus got a toshiba-sd2200 unfortunately i can't use ifoedit to redo the nav pacs cause it only supports 1 pgc
I did T2 last week, no problems :confused:

which version was it?, I just have the one disc special edition Region 2

[MackemX]

Originally posted by EpyxZ
:( so far, no offense to all you hard core IC people, but DVD2One wins with no contest. I have purchased both and Personaly I think vid quality via DVD2One (Even when u use MakeItEasy *not even needed anymore* and ifoedit for Full DVD backups) blows ic7 away not to mention :D I'm saying nothing


p.s.'blows away' :confused:

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
^Sp|ke^: Look ahead a few nav packs, into the next vobID, your first couple vobIds may not be part of the movie. (wb, etc.)

MisterX, in your original vob was ac3 at pack 8 or pack 9? and where did that pack end up after recompression? 118 isn't the value I'd expect, but if you're recompressing I would expect a number less than 9. I'll pull BTTF tonight and try it here. Stripping streams may change things. Also, which build are you using? Mine's the legit demo, expires in a couple days.

Wahoo, 6 in a row, beat's your 3 Lusid :D


I have uploaded the pics, I was looking in the wrong place, it's still 8 :o

VOBEDIT (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/org.htm)

p.s. are you removing titles or not? as your problem with Planet of The Apes sounds exactly like you removed the tiny Titles containing the end warnings & logos so it locks the DVD up as it cannot find them

[valnar]

Originally posted by MisterX
I cannot put it any clearer, do not use IC to strip Titles as it will not work 100% of the time as it butchers the structure, use ifoedit and only strip the VOB ID's that you know exactly what they contain and leave the rest

If you do you will enjoy the 100% success rate I get now


How about the titles from the thread where people are having problems? I still can't get Rocky Horror to work at all.

And in one case, Sarah McLachlan's Mirrorball, when I tried to use Ifoedit to remove extras, it failed. When I let IC do it, it worked.

The thing I hate most about inconsistency is how inconsistent it is. :devil: I hope Pinnacle comes out with a patch soon.
-Robert

[MackemX]

Originally posted by valnar
How about the titles from the thread where people are having problems? I still can't get Rocky Horror to work at all.

And in one case, Sarah McLachlan's Mirrorball, when I tried to use Ifoedit to remove extras, it failed. When I let IC do it, it worked.

The thing I hate most about inconsistency is how inconsistent it is. :devil: I hope Pinnacle comes out with a patch soon.
-Robert
Like I said you must be really careful when using Ifoedit, only remove what you know is a video file, if not leave it if you don't know the consequences

the only problem I have is that if it only has one VOB ID and I cannot remove it, I remux it with a blank video file I made also stripping audio and get a blank screen for a fraction of a second instead of the old video file, but the DVD player still plays the blank screen then returns to where it came from. If it's missing then some DVD player lose their position. I have stripped using ifoedit before, played fine in PowerDVD yet my standalones refused to play it but this was before I knew exactly what I was doing within Ifoedit, but now I can rip,strip and test just fine. I just wish I could help others to do it with the same ease :(

I have said that IC has some success removing Titles but sometimes it doesn't, but as for using ifoedit, it's faultless for me :confused: as long as you copy the 4 resulting ifo/bup's back into original folder along with VOB, test it and do one VOB at a time

Admittedly there will be a few problem DVD's but I don't think there is as many as people are making out, as of yet I ain't come across one in over 30 DVD's now, and I don't own any of the others listed

If people are ripping in file mode using default settings with DVDDecrpyter 3.1.4.0 and then putting it direct into IC and the % are at least 50% and still having problems then I cannot say anything

but like I have asked numerous times if people are using IC to strip or what % they are using they are not answering :(

so I guess I'll give up for now until I get hold of one of the problem DVD's :D

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid

I did Planet of the Apes, compressing the 600+ megs of menus, and the movie plays fine, but hangs at the end instead of returning to the menu.


does that version have no. 22080DVD on the cover?

I have that one here :D, forgot I had it, got it for £4.97 from Dixons 4 weeks ago

it's the 2 disc special edition

cheers

[^Sp|ke^]

t2 ultimate edition which containe 3 versions of the movie the movies itself play fine it is jus the navigation that doesn't work exactly i can select the movie i want to watch but once i get to the next menu i can't select anything it just sis there can't go back to forward no highlight i can however get to the movies by selecting the track. i am going to redo it but use 100% for the menu and replacing the IC menu with the original menu.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by ^Sp|ke^
t2 ultimate edition which containe 3 versions of the movie the movies itself play fine it is jus the navigation that doesn't work exactly i can select the movie i want to watch but once i get to the next menu i can't select anything it just sis there can't go back to forward no highlight i can however get to the movies by selecting the track. i am going to redo it but use 100% for the menu and replacing the IC menu with the original menu.
Am I right in thinking are you just doing the menu then gonna overwrite it? or are you doing the whole movie?

[^Sp|ke^]

nah i'm redoing the whole thing again

[MackemX]

Originally posted by ^Sp|ke^
nah i'm redoing the whole thing again
are you removing Titles with IC? or just letting it process them all

have a check of the menu @ 50% and see if it is 50% of the actual size shown in IC, as some aren't. The Grinch was nowhere near (still worked @ 60%). Dunno if this is relevant but may be worth noting

[^Sp|ke^]

i don't strip anything and it's not really important if i resize the menu or not so if the original menus work all is good

[lusid]

I have never stripped anything more than an audio stream with instantcopy. So, for planet of the apes, I kept all the content except the dts audio.


MisterX, could you check the third nav pack in bttf? I won't try to replicate yours since you did some pre-stripping, but I'm curious to see how they compare a little further into the vob.

In my original, the 3rd nav pack is at LBA 000076, audio stream1 offset is 135, pointing to an ac3-audio pack at 000211. How does the 3rd nav pack look comparing your pre and post IC7 versions?

[^Sp|ke^]

well original menus did work thanks for the tip i wonder if pinnacle has a site where you can sumbit bug reports that would be useful cause so far it has worked on complex titles minus slight issues

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
I have never stripped anything more than an audio stream with instantcopy. So, for planet of the apes, I kept all the content except the dts audio.
hi, is it the same version as mine?

just done my version Disc 1, all ok :confused:, stripped DTS using IC and in the last VOB there were 16 VOB ID's so I deleted 2-15 which were the different language warnings and kept no.1 as it was just a blank screen

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
In my original, the 3rd nav pack is at LBA 000076, audio stream1 offset is 135, pointing to an ac3-audio pack at 000211. How does the 3rd nav pack look comparing your pre and post IC7 versions?
1st is 0067 in original & 0034 in IC job

still a bit lost as to where you get
audio stream1 offset is 135, pointing to an ac3-audio pack at 000211 from

in right window of original for 3rd nav pack @ [0599] it says 32 & 36 for [059b], so where do I look now?

is it 00032? & 00036?, if so 00032 is DTS & 00036 is ac3

still confused :confused:

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
I did Planet of the Apes, compressing the 600+ megs of menus, and the movie plays fine, but hangs at the end instead of returning to the menu.

I left IC running last night with my version of Planet Of The Apes (dunno if you have the same, by the looks of things probably not), turned on monitor this morning as all OK, IC reported files being saved :D. Menus were set @ 60%

just extracted the files with PDITOOL and it works just fine using PowerDVD

starts up with 20th Century Fox logo, then onto menu, all menus work chapters etc, when the film ends it returns to menu,tried everything I could think of and it all works

I stripped 15 Copyright warnings from a VOB, it plays the UK & Australia one 1st, then logo, but the other 13 languages are shown after movie, cos if they ain't there and the DVD player is looking for them then it will hang

The complete VOB actually contained 16 VOB ID's and no.1 was a blank black screen. 2-16 were all the languages

Are yours still intact or have you removed them?. I have a sneaky feeling they are missing :)

Cheers



burning it now

[lusid]

Originally posted by MisterX
1st is 0067 in original & 0034 in IC job

still a bit lost as to where you get
audio stream1 offset is 135, pointing to an ac3-audio pack at 000211 from

in right window of original for 3rd nav pack @ [0599] it says 32 & 36 for [059b], so where do I look now?

is it 00032? & 00036?, if so 00032 is DTS & 00036 is ac3

still confused :confused:

It would be the LBA address of your 3rd NAV pack + 32, and the LBA address of the 3rd nav pack + 36. So, for example if your 3rd nav pack was at address 00050 (in the left pane of VOBedit) then according to those values we would be looking for audio packets at 00082 and 00086. They are relative pointers, not direct addresses.

[lusid]

I did a test on Back to the Future, region 1, #22121
I stripped French audio in InstantCopy

Original:
Nav pack 1, LBA 000000
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 7
[059b] AudioStrem2: 8
[059d] AudioStrem3: 9
[059f] AudioStrem4: 10
Points to LBA :
000007 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000008 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x81
000009 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82
000010 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83

InstantCopy:
Nav pack 1, LBA 000000
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 7
[059b] AudioStrem2: 8
[059d] AudioStrem3: 9
[059f] AudioStrem4: 10 <-Should be 0, since orig. stream 2 was stripped
Points to LBA :
000007 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000008 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82 <--Stream 81 was stripped
000009 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83
000010 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80

Already you can see the pointers aren't being corrected.

Now look at nav pack3:
Original:
Nav pack 3, LBA 000076
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 135
[059b] AudioStrem2: 136
[059d] AudioStrem3: 111
[059f] AudioStrem4: 112
Points to LBA :
000211 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000212 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x81
000187 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82
000188 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83

InstantCopy:
Nav pack 3, LBA 000057
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 135
[059b] AudioStrem2: 136
[059d] AudioStrem3: 111
[059f] AudioStrem4: 112
Points to LBA :
000192 [Video Pack], 07ec
000193 [Video Pack], 07ec
000168 [Video Pack], 07ec
000169 [Video Pack], 07ec

Here you can see, again, the table wasn't updated and now it doesn't even point to audio packets.

This is what the InstantCopy Nav pack should look like:
Nav pack 3, LBA 000057
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 60
[059b] AudioStrem2: 57
[059d] AudioStrem3: 58
[059f] AudioStrem4: 0
Points to LBA :
000117 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000114 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82
000115 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83

There are also anomolies in the reference frame pointers at [0413]. These pointers are being updated, but are pointing to different frames than the pointers in the original vobs are. I think this is the cause of buggy menus on some players, as IFOedit does the same thing. In the original vobs, these always point to the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th frame following the nav pack. In the instant copy vob they point to the 2nd, 4th, and 6th.

Apparently most DVD players will playback OK inspite of these anomolies, but just because the player you own now doesn't trip up doesn't mean that a player you own in the future will be as forgiving. With Pinnacles reputation for software fixes, I think these bugs will be around for a while.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lusid
I did a test on Back to the Future, region 1, #22121
I stripped French audio in InstantCopy

Original:
Nav pack 1, LBA 000000
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 7
[059b] AudioStrem2: 8
[059d] AudioStrem3: 9
[059f] AudioStrem4: 10
Points to LBA :
000007 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000008 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x81
000009 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82
000010 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83

InstantCopy:
Nav pack 1, LBA 000000
SYNCI pointers:
[0599] AudioStrem1: 7
[059b] AudioStrem2: 8
[059d] AudioStrem3: 9
[059f] AudioStrem4: 10 <-Should be 0, since orig. stream 2 was stripped
Points to LBA :
000007 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80
000008 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x82 <--Stream 81 was stripped
000009 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x83
000010 [AC3-Audio Pack] 0x80



I know think I know what you mean as I came across that problem last month with Monsters Inc stripping French audio as it just moved stream 4 to stream 2 and left stream 3 & 4 blank, so I just copied the no's across from org to new ifo. Problem sorted until fix is in place

my original question and my solution is HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46983)

it's easily fixed, and the same applies to subs too

re: Planet of the Apes, where you removing the foreign language warnings at the end of movie, or are they still there?

[lusid]

That will correct the stream mappings in the IFO, so that the correct stream is played when picked from the menu. It still doesn't fix the bad pointers in the vobs themselves.

It's a similar, but different issue. The nav pack errors exist even if you keep all the original streams.

In planet of the apes, I kept everything except unwanted audio.
Content-wise, it's intact.