My guide to full dvd copy with menu, extra's and a CCE encoded film.. the easy way

[Administr8or]

Ok here's a start it needs some tweaking and i'm planning to make screenshots, but basically i combine techniques from 2 tools.. InstantCopy and DVD2DVD-R.

The ultimate guide to stripping a whole DVD with the extra's and menu's you want, and a CCE encoded movie, and all that is done for you with tools.

First, download and install all of the following tools:

01. DVD Decrypter (latest version)
02. InstantCopy 7 Demo (yes the demo, not the retail, cuz then it wont work and why pay :)
03. DVD2DVD-R (latest version)
04. Cinema Craft Encoder 2.50 (on your own :) )
05. IfoUpdate (latest version)
06. IfoEdit (latest version)
07. ImgTool (latest version)

Some settings are to be made before you can start using the InstantCopy 7 demo the way I did..
Go into your registry and find this key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\VoB\CD Wizard\7.0\Copy\

find "DVDMagic" and make the 0 into a 1, to enable title set selection inside InstantCopy.

For a guide on the Decrypter and InstantCopy steps, to check certain settings out, go here: http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/

Then, use them in this order.. first rip the entire DVD to your harddrive in ISO mode, using DVD Decrypter.
Mount the ISO you made in Daemon Tools, so it becomes a virtual DVD, or let InstantCopy load it from the iso, suits both.

It's important to make the structure of the dvd working again, so thats why we need InstantCopy.. just pretend you want to rip the whole dvd. These are the settings on various tabs..

Just select the main movie and the rest you want to keep, set the encoding sizes on each title, you can even lower the menu quality, (I did lower the extra's down to minimum, to keep extra main movie quality) and start InstantCopy.. it will actually transcode your whole dvd.

When it finishes.. you have a set of .pdi files. Just load them in pdi2iso.exe and make an iso out of it, or pdixtract to do it directly to a folder. You'll get the official dvd, transcoded and a working menu structure. Write down the size of the whole structure, without the main movie vts_02_1 thru 7 for example..

Then start DVD2DVD-R and select your original (lets say 8 gb) iso dvd, and follow the guide at http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R/UK-DVD2DVD-R.htm

on the mpeg encoder tab you can see the calculated bitrate (VBR) and you can set he amount of extra's data there.. put the size you wrote down earlier in there, and press Go. Couple of hours later you'll end up with a complete authored dvd vob set. Thats good.

You'll have to rename the title set vob's, if your original movie was in VTS_02_1 to VTS_02_7, rename the vts_01_1 to VTS_02_1 and so on. Open up ifoedit, and press Create new ifo's, select the first vob of the main movie (from the set you've just renamed that is :) ), and make the new ifo's in another dir then the main movie is.. this is for authoring later on.

Now copy the menu structure files made with InstantCopy into a dir, copy the renamed vob's in there as well. Remember to set the attributes on those files to all , when they're readonly, ifoupdate crashes. Then start IfoUpdate. First ifo is the one you want to update, thats the vts with the original title set,(the one that came out of InstantCopy). Second one is the one you just created with ifoedit (The one from the renamed VOB set). Press update and then press vts sectors.. just to make sure.

Now open the ifo's of your recompiled project in IfoEdit, copy the subtitle colors and press get vts sectors there, another security.. then pres play dvd to see if everything works.

I'm still busy, tweaking this and im planning screenshots and a whole guide for every tool i used in the proces (For now use "3rd party guides" for those :) ), but this is the basic, so anyone who worked with one or more of these tools, know how i mean to say things :P

Trust me if you do this once, you'll never forget.. You'll thank me for it one day :)

There's a lot of typo's in here, just read beyond them :)

[Fmazzanti]

I have a couple of questions about your method, 'cause I'd like very muich to give it a try ;)
Originally posted by Administr8or

You'll have to rename the title set vob's, if your original movie was in VTS_02_1 to VTS_02_7, rename the vts_01_1 to VTS_02_1 and so on. Open up ifoedit, and press Create new ifo's, select the first vob of the main movie, and make the new ifo's in another dir then the main movie is.. this is for authoring later on.


Uhmm... let's see. At this stage I have three sets of files corresponding to the DVD, which are:
* set_1 : the original files, ripped with DVDecrypter
* set_2 : the transcoded ones, from InstantCopy
* set_3 : the VOBS and IFOS created by DVD2DVDR
sets 1 and 2 are complete, while set 3 only has the part concerning the main movie.
When you say we must open IfoEdit, create new ifos and select the first VOB of the main movie, you are referring to set_3, isn't it?



Now copy the menu structure files made with InstantCopy into a dir, copy the renamed vob's in there as well. Remember to set the attributes on those files to all , when they're readonly, ifoupdate crashes. Then start IfoUpdate. First ifo is the one you want to update, thats the vts with the original title set. Second one is the one you just created with ifoedit. Press upddate and then press vts sectors.. just to make sure.


all this copying generates a new set of files, set_4, where you put the vobs created by DVD2DVDR and all the other files created by DVD2DVD-R. Can you simply copy the InstantCopy files of set_2 to set_3, skipping the vobs corresponding to the movie?
Then you say we must start ifoupdate and that the first ifo is the one corresponding to the vts with the original title set. Are you talking about the one we ripped, that is, set_1?



Trust me if you do this once, you'll never forget.. You'll thank me for it one day :)

I already thank you today :D, but I'll also thank you tomorrow if I make it work...

And of course, this works if you plan to copy the *full* dvd. If you want to omit extras or alter the navigation structure of the project, then this may not work as stated, uh?

Thanks anyway...

[DVD Maniac]

This looks like a good approach and I want to give it a try, however I do not have CCE and am used to using TMPG. Am I going to get a significantly higher quality maim movie with TMPG than the Instant Copy result?

[Administr8or]

As I was saying.. it still needs some finetuning. But you have to think easy.

Menu structure and extra stuff with InstantCopy
Main movie with CCE
New ifoset for CCE encoded vob's (only if the set was in one other then vts_01_1).

Merge the whole bunch together in a directory: Take the menu and extra's from the InstantCopy iso, and the main movie vts vob's from the CCE set. Then IfoUpdate the whole thing and BUNGG>> maxQ copy with all you want :)

Short:

1. Rip with DVD Decrypter to .ISO
2. Transcode the whole iso with InstantCopy (All extra's included)
3. Extract the .pdi files with pdixtract
4. Throw away the main movie VOB files from that extraction (NOT THE IFO's you'll need those for ifoupdate later on..) and take the size of the directory and use that size for dvd2dvd-r.
5. Make new VOB set from the ORIGINAL .ISO using DVD2DVD-R (Set the size of the menu and extra's in the encoding calculator on the mpeg tab of DVD2DVD-R)
6. (Optional) Make new IFO set for the VOB's if you need to rename to the original filename other then VTS_01_1
7. Use IfoUpdate, and take the "InstantCopy main movie VTS_0#_0.IFO" in the first field, and the "DVD2DVD-R main movie VTS_01_1.IFO" (or the new ones from IfoEdit if you had to rename the VOB's) in the second field.
8. Do the subtitle trick and the vts sector trick with IfoEdit and create an image to test your DVD
9. Burn that if it works (it probably does :D )
10. Shove it in your Home Theatre set and turn on your TV, set it to EXT or EXT2 and press play on your DVD remote control (if needed)

That's about it.

I'll do a screenshot session as soon as i have time for it.

[Fmazzanti]

Well yes... I understand the mian idea, but wonder about the fine details of the procedure. Could you please answer the questions I put above? Thanks...

[drmih]

Interesting that you have a demo copy of IC that works for more than 15 days and if you are going to have to 'find' a copy of CCE on say Kaaza, why not also IC and DVD2One from the same source. If you're going to do the main vts set have you taken into account those sets with multiple PGCs or branching versions, as it's not a cake walk if you're using CCE and ifoUpdate? If you know how to use CCE and ifoedit/ifoUpdate then it's not difficult to do the vts sets with the extras as well as the main movie set. I think that the results from IC are pretty good and if you think that CCE can give better then why not do the whole disc?

[Administr8or]

The reason why i used the demo is because i orderd one from a webstore and that one would arrive within 2 weeks, and i got it today, so the demo was only for those to test my method, and then decide to buy IC or find another way :D

[Fmazzanti]

@Administr8tor,
one remaining question about your method: does all this keep the chapter points at the right places? I mean, I know IC keeps the chapter positions, but after you replace the main movie with the DVD2DVDr one, the size of the movie is not going to be exactly the same etc... so I wonder if chapters are still properly dealt with.

[Megalodon]

@ Adminstr8or

Thanks for your guide. I made a copy of a DVD and everything went fine. Menus, chapter points etc. are working perfect.

[Administr8or]

The chapter pooints are made in time.. so the time stays the same, so should the chapter points be.. dont forget to update everything.. and as i said.. it works, but it takes time :D

[Fmazzanti]

Just another question concerning your method. That one goes for subtitles... I backed up a movie containing 10 different subtitles, but wanted to keep only four, so I unchecked the other 6 from instantcopy. Then I did the same with DVD2DVDr. Went to mix them the way you said and in the end subtitles were screwed up... some of them didn't appear and some others appeared under the wrong language tick.
Is this normal? What do you do with subs, just keep all of them in instantcopy and all of the in dvd2dvdr, or what? Thanks...

[TeFLoN]

Administ8or,
Is it ok to use the FULL version of InstantCopy to do your method?? Also, you said the "easy" way...man I tried to do it, and after 2 blue screens of death from loading daemon's tools on XP professional and finally getting that on, and 3.5 hours of waiting for my iso to transcode with IC, I couldnt IMAGINe another 8 hours waiting for CCE to do its thing(even if i could figure out the rest of the steps). Is that really what it takes? I saw a thread that said that the CCE videos dont really "look" any better than the IC videos, just using the program gave you more control over the "input" i believe. Is that true? I just have the program and I use the plugin in Adobe Premier and wanted to see what the standalone did for my movies. Its just 12 hours seems alot of time to make just one DVD :( You guys are definitely on a different level that make these guides.
TeFLoN

[mike4692]

teflon

I had to laugh when you said ic7 gives as good a quality picture as CCE ( ha ha ha ) :D .I can help you by pointing you in the direction of a good optition , where they do free eye tests. CCE is the best encodeing tool on the dvd back up market , if you think 12 hrs is a long time try backing up a main movie with rempeg , you will know what a long time is , I have heard it taking over 21hrs to transcode a main movie .I only put a post last up week saying how the new people comming into dvd back up have it very easy , only a month ago people were raveing about how good CCE was and asking questions on how to get rempeg to work , now its all dvd2one and ic7 , wait untill you get a hard dvd to back up ,you will be pulling your hair out ( I dont have any hair left,as I have had loads of hard dvd back ups) :sly: please dont read this and think I am haveing a go , I am just haveing a lite hearted laugh at how you think that doing CCE is a long time , keep up the dvd back ups and keep posting :p

[Smurf1127]

Administr8or, I was just wondering if you had a chacne to tweak this method yet, and make some screen shots? Very nice idea and I plan on trying it tonight.

[Fmazzanti]

Hay mates,
well administr8or, I can only say that the mothod works works ONLY for easy-to-backup DVDs. With this I mean that this works only when the movie is contained in a VTS set that has no other PGC on it. If you have more PGCs in the same movie VTS, you'll tun into lots of problems. For exemple, DVD2DVDr encodes only one PGC of the set, and IfoUpdate then refuses to update the authored IFO.
Nice trial, though...

[int 21h]

I think its far less confusing to...

(1) Rip VOBs to folder. Point IC to folder, transcode extras at target %, movie at 100%.
(2) Delete above folder. Use PDIExtract to get VOBs back out of PDI files. Move movie VOBs to a new folder.
(3) Use DVD2AVI to generate project for movie VOBs, and demux wanted ac3 track(s).
(4) Create Avisynth script to frameserve to CCE. Encode main movie in CCE.
(5) If NTSC, use pulldown on movie file. Import movie file and AC3 track(s) into DVDMaestro. Compile Disc with DVDMaestro.
(6) Rename VOBs DVDMaestro generated to titleset number of original movie VOBs. Copy new VOBs back into folder with extras.
(7) Run IFOUpdate, pointing to old IFO and new IFO.
(8) Get VTS_Sectors with IFOEdit, change around any pre commands you need to (removing warnings, stupid trailers playing at beginning, etc.)
(9) Generate Image with Imgtools. Burn image with DVD Decrypter.
(10) Chug Guiness.

Of course this relies on the fact that you have all of the mentioned programs, you have some remedial knowledge in their usage, and you have Guiness on hand.

[Fmazzanti]

Int 21h I agree with you... partially. As I said before, the method proposed by Administr8or works nice and easy when you mor VTS contains no other PGC than the movie itself. I've tried it and works. And it is much easier than what you propose... However, your methods seems to work for multiPGC DVDs, and there are many of these out there. I say 'it seems to work' 'cause I haven't tried it myself. Actually I started to do something similar last night (what a coincidence), and won't have result until tonight or tomorrow...

[OmegaZero]

He's the issue I'm having using your method.
DVD2DVD-R CCE Issue (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49647)
Quality and sizing comes out fine, but CCE is screwing up the audio syncing.
Maybe you have an answer?

[OmegaZero]

Originally posted by OmegaZero
He's the issue I'm having using your method.
DVD2DVD-R CCE Issue (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49647)
Quality and sizing comes out fine, but CCE is screwing up the audio syncing.
Maybe you have an answer?

I found my own answer: DVD2DVD-R 1.4.5
Tested XXX with Progressive, Linear, ZigZag, Force Film, 2:3 Pulldown and Set 'Progressive' flag all ON. Worked just fine and dandy (good thing it now incorporates DVD2AVI now).
Will update original thread.

[Xayd]

Originally posted by Fmazzanti
Int 21h I agree with you... partially. As I said before, the method proposed by Administr8or works nice and easy when you mor VTS contains no other PGC than the movie itself. I've tried it and works. And it is much easier than what you propose... However, your methods seems to work for multiPGC DVDs, and there are many of these out there. I say 'it seems to work' 'cause I haven't tried it myself. Actually I started to do something similar last night (what a coincidence), and won't have result until tonight or tomorrow...

The limitation is DVD2DVDR not supporting multi-PGCs, it's a "main movie only" tool.

There's really no reason to use it in this example, I'm assuming IC should preserve any multi-PGCs that the original has? IFOUpdate can handle them after swapping re-authored vobs, so why use DVD2DVDR? You mentioned in another thread that you have Maestro, so you have the tools you need for the multiple PGCs. Just take the original vobs into DVD2AVI manually, save your project, and use it with VFAPI to frameserve to CCE. If you're working with NTSC movies DVD2AVI is as simple as "force film", "demux all audio tracks", and "save". Creating the AVI with VFAPI is a single click deal, then you just gotta figure out your bitrates in CCE, re-encode it, pulldown, and you're done.

I've just tested IC myself this evening with this purpose in mind (compressing menus/extras) and I must admit, it does a very worthy job with little effort involved. I ran it through "An American Werewolf in London", a DVD that has more in extras and menus size-wise than the movie has, and it came out very well. I leaning toward buying it just for that purpose, for 50 bucks it's worth it, since there's no easy way to manually compress extras and menus, and if there are 3 gigs + of extras and menus on a DVD you have no effective way of just transcoding the movie and saving everything.

[TeFLoN]

To INT12H,

Your one funny mofo dude. Every time I read your post I crack up. I picture one smart dude sitting there ripping through the complicated processes with ease, chuggin' beers...no prob...and laughin' at the rest of us who struggle for hours scratchin' our heads with this stuff. I'm gonna try your method btw. It looks pretty darn promising.

TeF

[Fmazzanti]

Well yes, DVD2DVD-R is a movie-only tool and that's where the problem starts. The nice thing about using IC to backup movies is that it is damn easy to use it with a couple of clicks. Now if you want to take adventage of CCE quality AND your main movie VOB set has only one PGC, you can work with DVD2DVD-R since this tool is also a one-click-and-go one. In this sense, IC+DVD2DVD-R is a nice solution because little work leads to great results. Now if the main VOB set haas several PGCs (and so you cannot use DVD2DVD-R), things start to be rather painful... yes it is true you can use CCe manually. Yes it is true you can then reauthor with Maestro... but you loose the simplicity of the process. Backing up a movie in this way becomes quite time-consuming and you have to know really well how to use this and that and what it is needed in each step to achieve your goal. Yes it can be done, and actually this is the way I do my multiPGC backups, but it is definitely tedious and breaks the beauty of the easy-to-use tools...

[mikegun]

Originally posted by int 21h
(7) Run IFOUpdate, pointing to old IFO and new IFO.


hi,

I have all of the above (including guiness ;-) but not too much knowledege bout the usage of ifoupdate. in (7) you mention old ifo and new ifo.
does old ifo mean the original unmodified ifo from the disk ?

regards,

mike

[Fmazzanti]

Old IFO es the one IC has created in the first steps, while new IFO is thje one created by maestro for the movie only. Once you reach step 7, you should have a folder with all the files IC has created but the main movie VOB ones which have been replaced by the Maestro one (the VOBs, not the IFOs and BUPs). You should keep the Maestro IFOs in another folder. So you run IfoUpdate and set the path to the IC IFO (what he called old IFO) in the 'Original IFO' tab, and the path to the Maestro IFO on the 'Authored IFO' tab. You then hit 'Correct IFOs' and voila... miracle is here :D

[mikegun]

hi,
sounds easy, I'll give it a try.
I read nothing bout subs, so I guess they have to demuxed and reauthored too, or is there any special issue regarding to them ?

regards,

mike

p.s. I'm testing with alien rc2 which has 3 pgcs, alle files in one set of vobs. pgc 1 is the main movie, pgc 2 = trailer, pgc3 = dolby intro.
pgc 2 and 3 are after the end of the main movie. so do I have to reauthor them also or can I just leave them out und ifoupdate will do the rest for me ?

[TeFLoN]

I just want to confirm this:
I successfully backed up a SINGLE PGC movie "FIGHT CLUB" with the INT21H's IC7/CCE method and I must admit...it ROCKS. However, the party was over when I fired up "PULP FICTION". It is MULTI PGC with 2 angles! I'm trembling in fear reading the UBERLIGHT guide and then a thought occurred to me....Can't I just use the same method I just did on it that I did with FIGHT CLUB? RIP/IC7 the menus and extras/CCE the main/ then bring it all together again? What do you pro's think?

TeF:cool:

[Fmazzanti]

gutten tag, @mikegun,
subtitles have to be ripped (using subripper for exemple) and authored back at the Maestro step. One advice: since each subtitle stream takes that low space, I would either keep all of them or keep the all the first ones until the last sub you're interested in. So if you want english and german and your title comes with the following subtitle streams (in order)
english
spanish
german
french
italian
I would keep AT LEAST the first three, even though you may not be interested in the spanish one. If you do so and put the first three in the same order at the authoring stage with Maestro, you'll have to do nothing else to have perfectly working subtitles. If, on the contrary, you keep only english and german, the final project will have english in the first place (that's ok) and german in the second, where actually one is supposed to have spanish. Therefore, the spanish button will display german subtitles, and the german button will display no subtitles at all... Keeping all three subs will put them in place.
And concerning your question about PGCs... yes, you have to keep them all or IfoUpdate will refuse to do the update, complaining about a wrong number of PGCs.
@TeFloN,
I'm a newbie like you so do not expect a professional reply from me.
This said, I would say that one way to go to deal with multiPGC-multiangle movies is to first rip with SmartRipper where you can choose the angle you want, and then do the multiPGC resulting project the way you do multiPGCs (Maestro or Scenarist or whatever). I haven't check this works but I would say it does...

[OmegaZero]

Originally posted by OmegaZero
I found my own answer: DVD2DVD-R 1.4.5
Tested XXX with Progressive, Linear, ZigZag, Force Film, 2:3 Pulldown and Set 'Progressive' flag all ON. Worked just fine and dandy (good thing it now incorporates DVD2AVI now).
Will update original thread.

**UPDATE*** Using DVD2DVD-R 1.4.5, XXX and Godfather are both screwing up on me. The extra works perfectly (done with IC), but the Main movie's first chapter plays, then about 5-10 seconds into every chapter AFTER the fitst, the movie with sound stutters, then freezes up entirely. I can skip/scan back and forth, but again, after 5-10 seconds it freezes up again. Happens no matter WHERE it is in the movie OTHER than the first chapter. Secondly, the timer on the movie is off/broken.

Here are the settings for DVD2DVD-R:
XXX
Aspect ratio: 4:3
DCT Precision: 10
iDCT Algorithm: 32-bit MMX SSE2 (P4 processor)
Encoder mode: VBR 3-passes
Bitrate: 0, 2144, 7340 (low, avg, high)
MB Reserved (extras): 1830MB

Encoder options (what is checked)
Progressive frames
Linear Quanitizer scale
Zigzag scanning order
Force Film
2:3 Pulldown
Set 'Progessive'-flag

Quantizer characteristics: 5
Multiple VBR Bias: 20
GOP Sequence: M=3 N/M=4

Avisynth (Using MPEGDEC2.DLL)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD2DVD-R\MPEG2DEC\MPEG2DEC2.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\XXX\Video_0xE0.d2v")
ResampleAudio(44100)

Will post this in the other thread as well, but anyone else have this issue?

[Fmazzanti]

Well I'm a regular user of DVD2DVD-R, which I employ when the main movie is in an VTS set that contains only one PGC (=the movie). So far I can tell you that I have had no problems with it: demuxoes, authors, etc... are you doing PAL or NTSC? Long ago people complained about issues with NTSC ovies and DVD2DVD-R, but I seems to remember they were all corrected... HAve you tried to play the VOBs DVd2DVD-R generates before putting them back with the other files generated by IC? Otherwise and if the problems persist, you can try to do the CCE part yourself (forget about DVD2DVD-R), and see what comes out...

[OmegaZero]

Originally posted by Fmazzanti
Well I'm a regular user of DVD2DVD-R, which I employ when the main movie is in an VTS set that contains only one PGC (=the movie). So far I can tell you that I have had no problems with it: demuxoes, authors, etc... are you doing PAL or NTSC? Long ago people complained about issues with NTSC ovies and DVD2DVD-R, but I seems to remember they were all corrected... HAve you tried to play the VOBs DVd2DVD-R generates before putting them back with the other files generated by IC? Otherwise and if the problems persist, you can try to do the CCE part yourself (forget about DVD2DVD-R), and see what comes out...

XXX and godfather only have 1 PGC. The CCE'd VOB's play fine using PowerDVD before and after IfoUpdated. It's on the standalone that gives me the issues I mentioned. My guess is the settings I'm changing for CCE. I might have to raise the minimum bitrate. I'll give that a shot and reply with the results...and yes the movie is NTSC.

I'm curious if it has anything to do with the settings I posted OTHER than CCE's bitrate.

[Fmazzanti]

Honestly I doubt this has anything to do with bitrate... I would look in other settings, though I can't tell you which one 'cause I'm a PAL guy...

[OmegaZero]

Originally posted by OmegaZero
He's the issue I'm having using your method.
DVD2DVD-R CCE Issue (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49647)
Quality and sizing comes out fine, but CCE is screwing up the audio syncing.
Maybe you have an answer?

Tried 1.4.6 and it still doesn't work.

Read my thread above to read update.