MakeItEasy and chapters problem...

[Spirit UK]

I just did Minority Report, padded it out, dvd2one it and then removed padding e.t.c. all OK.

Did the Ifoupdate bit too all seemed ok, tested it, it played ok but when i went in to the scene selection it kept locking up when i chose a chapter to go to.

I knew what the problem was straight away.

So i opened up Ifoedit and looked at the chapter and cell count. It was different, in the original there are 24 chapters and 29 cells, when you use Ifoedit to rebuild the IFO files it creates 29 chapters instead of 24 causing updating and scene selection problems.

The only way around this problem is demux the vobs to m2v and ac3, use chapterxtractor to get the original 24 chapter structure and rebuild in dvd maestro, unless there is a quicker way.

Spirit UK

[mike4692]

I to had the same problem with X-men in the scene select it would lock out :confused:

[ardklg]

I have a different problem with chapters. My DVD plays OK, but the chapters that the menu points to are off by 3 chapters.

I tried backing up Monty Python's Flying Circus disc #4 (episodes 10-13). I'm guessing it's a multi-PGC/VOBid issue.

JDobbs, any chance of incorporating some of the adjusted cell mode logic into MakeItEasy, or would that not be applicable in this situation?

[jdobbs]

@Spirit UK

Why on earth are you using IFOUpdate with DVD2one? Pushing the update button on MakeItEasy does the same thing as "Adjusted Cell Mode" but is designed specifically for the output after padding and unpadding.

Also, you have to be looking at the wrong IFO. IFOUpdate doesn't have the capability to increase the chapter count from 24 to 29. Neither does MakeItEasy. It uses the existing IFO's chapter count and will give you an error before it will allow it to increase it. You are apparently looking at the IFO that IFOEDIT created -- which appropriately SHOULD be 29 for a VTS that has 29 CELLS. The fact that there are more CELLS than Chapters is corrected when the original gets updated.

@ardklg

MakeItEasy uses the same code as "Adjusted File Mode" with some minor adjustments.


If you don't follow the sequence of instructions on the screen in MakeItEasy -- it very probably won't work.

[Tezzer]

Hi all,

I too have encountered chapter point problems whilst following the MakeItEasy guide to the letter. I have been using the IFOEdit, IFOUpdate Rempeg method successfully for sometime and welcome a less time consuming method but, anyway, there does appear to be a problem with updating the IFO's and vob pointers with the methods described in the guides. I found that when creating the new IFO's with IFOedit from the padded files the chapter count was increased and the update button in MakeItEasy did not appear to correct VTS sectors correctly.

Another handy quick check was with the new version of Nero Express (in DVD Video mode) which checks out the IFO table for any errors and reports any VOBs that are incorrectly pointed. I know that Nero is not the first choice for burning compliant DVDs although It was usefull here.

I decided to use IFOUpdate to see if the problem was with the update button in MakeItEasy. I created a new IFO set with IFOedit from the DVD2One authored files i then used IFO update to correct the original IFO with the authored points and this worked fine. Nero then repoted no problems.

Has anyone else encountered the same problems following the correct methods? I will post another reply after some further testing.

Its nice to see a program writen in assembly at last. DVD2One is extremely impressive

:) Tezz.

[Mitchjs]

I too am doing it this way too using IFOUpdate.065

clearly there is a small problem with makeiteasy(by the way thanks for it!! i am by no means harping on it, without it i could have never made a backup of my Photoshop training DVDS!)

Nero is reporting a error with the ifo structure... ie missing vobs, and bup does not match ifo

I also wish that people back off bashing nero's dvd burning issues... the fact is when nero does not say there is a error in the reallocation process I have never gotten a bad dvd!!

i would like Ahead to breakdown the Reallocation steps in what EXACTLY in the dvd ifo/vob it tests for...


here is what im doing on a multi pgc 1 VTS set DVD:

copy dvd to hd, make a new set of ifos for the vts_01 set, when done I get a ifo set that has 1pgc with 86 chapters

I pad it with makeiteasy .15

then i run DVD2One

Then unpad it

then recreate a NEW set of ifos with ifoedit

then use IFOUpdate, and update the origional ifos to the new ifo set

then i set up nero to burn...
funny enough if i use nero on prior to IFOUpdate is passes reallocation!

but after it fails, but with no details

so ifoupdate does muck it a bit, i know nero is picky... but i bet its best that way...

so i burn it anyway... plays great in standalone
and is 100% like the origional... back to its 19 pgcs! and correct chapter structure!

WEEEE!!

mitch

[jdobbs]

@Mitchjs

You made a simple but important statement that just woke me up. You are correct. I forgot to update the BUP with the information in the IFO files in MakeItEasy. Everyone should add a step (after the update step) in which the copy the IFO to the BUP... I'll fix MakeItEasy in the next version.

[goober22]

Originally posted by jdobbs

You made a simple but important statement that just woke me up. You are correct. I forgot to update the BUP with the information in the IFO files in MakeItEasy. Everyone should add a step (after the update step) in which the copy the IFO to the BUP... I'll fix MakeItEasy in the next version.

First, I would like to say thats to jdobbs for making MakeItEasy. I couldn't post sooner due to the "5 day wait".

Second, I'm kinda new to the dvd structures so are you saying to just copy the newly created/corrected IFO, after the final step, over and replace the BUP until you update your program? Since they are the same size, I assume they are the same? I kinda understand what the IFO is but what is the BUP for?

[mpucoder]

The bup file is a second copy of the ifo. So, naturally, they should be identical.

[goober22]

Originally posted by mpucoder
The bup file is a second copy of the ifo. So, naturally, they should be identical.

Okay, I thought they were. But what is its purpose? Why do you need a copy? I'm just trying to understand what it does. Thanks.

[jdobbs]

It's a backup (BUP). If an IFO became unreadable the disc could be rendered useless. You will also find that they are physically stored apart on the disc as well (one before and one after the VOBs).

[goober22]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It's a backup (BUP). If an IFO became unreadable the disc could be rendered useless. You will also find that they are physically stored apart on the disc as well (one before and one after the VOBs).
Ahhh. Thanks.

[ardklg]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@ardklg

MakeItEasy uses the same code as "Adjusted File Mode" with some minor adjustments.


If you don't follow the sequence of instructions on the screen in MakeItEasy -- it very probably won't work. [/B]


Well, I've meticulously followed the sequence outlined in the original "Make It Easy" post - 4 times now. Each time I've gotten the same problem with Monthy Python's Flying Circus Disc #4 - incorrect chapter pointers.

If I simply run DVD2One and open up to the folder with the original ripped files, I'm presented with the following:

Title 1: 1 chapter 0:01:10
Title 2: 1 chapter 0:00:29
Title 3: 1 chapter 0:00:00
Title 4: 11 chapters 0:30:30
Title 5: 10 chapters 0:30:48
Title 6: 9 chapters 0:31:24
Title 7: 12 chapters 0:29:16
Title 8: 42 chapters 2:01:59

There are 4 episodes on this disc. It looks as if titles 4-7 are the invidual episodes and title 8 is all of them together. Is the fact that they're duplicated in the title list perhaps related to the chapter problems?

[drmih]

There certainly seems to be some sort of bug/problem when using MakeItEasy and DVD2One. I produced a few discs and found that some played fine on 3 dvds I have but on 3 others, towards the end of the discs jumped back to the menus. I checked the video streams on a pc and the information was there. This problem never occurred on titles which were not padded (I did a few [Band of Brothers] where the menus and extras only accounted for 8 Mb). I then realised that the dvd machines that played the discs fully were those that I knew were not strict about the dvd-video format. I therefore did another disc but between steps 4 and 5 of MakeItEasy I used ifoedit to create a new set of files from the vobs that had been encoded and the padding removed. When I checked the cell info in ifoedit I found that the cell values were slightly different. I therefore used the newly created ifo file in step 5 and that seemed to produce the correct chapter points.

[jdobbs]

drmih,

Considering the number of these reports there is definitely something wrong -- but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it. You say that after removing the padding you recreate the IFOs with IFOEDIt? How are the ones created different?

[Mitchjs]

I have done a few multi pgcs
EVERY ONE I DO IS PERFECT!!! chapters and all!!!!

example:

The simpsons DVD Disc 1

multi-vts and multi-pgc
VTS set #4 is all the episodes

1. take the vts_4 set rename to set #1
now i got 8 vobs...

2. add padding to make up for the rest of the vts sets and such (120m)

3. after padded... create NEW IFOS (ifoedit.95)

4. run DVD2ONE

5. remove padding...

6. Create NEW IFOS (ifoedit.95)

7. rename vob set back to _4 (and the ifo)

8. put new vob set #4 back into origional rip directory

9. run your UPDATEIFO.67 , using new ifo set from a few step 6

10. then i used ifoedit, just to check vts... i think i found 1 change, with the Video_TS.ifo and its VIDEO_TS.vob

11. Burn with NERO (dvd video)... and guess what 0 errors!! reallocation PASSED!!!

and it plays perfect in standalone!!!

mitch

[ardklg]

Originally posted by Mitchjs
I have done a few multi pgcs
EVERY ONE I DO IS PERFECT!!! chapters and all!!!!

example:

The simpsons DVD Disc 1

multi-vts and multi-pgc
VTS set #4 is all the episodes

1. take the vts_4 set rename to set #1
now i got 8 vobs...

2. add padding to make up for the rest of the vts sets and such (120m)

3. after padded... create NEW IFOS (ifoedit.95)

4. run DVD2ONE

5. remove padding...

6. Create NEW IFOS (ifoedit.95)

7. rename vob set back to _4 (and the ifo)

8. put new vob set #4 back into origional rip directory

9. run your UPDATEIFO.67 , using new ifo set from a few step 6

10. then i used ifoedit, just to check vts... i think i found 1 change, with the Video_TS.ifo and its VIDEO_TS.vob

11. Burn with NERO (dvd video)... and guess what 0 errors!! reallocation PASSED!!!

and it plays perfect in standalone!!!

mitch

I've actually tried that a couple of times. Both times, when I run IFOUpdate 0.67, I get an error:

ERROR: The new IFO file has more cells than the original. ABORTING.

[xmenxmen]

Originally posted by ardklg
I've actually tried that a couple of times. Both times, when I run IFOUpdate 0.67, I get an error:

ERROR: The new IFO file has more cells than the original. ABORTING.

Hey, I got the same error too when I tried to update, but I was using makeiteasy.

1. rip to hd
2. move vts file to other dir
3. pad vts
4. ifoedit to create new file, (notice .ifo file are vts_01 while my vts file are vts_02, so rename newly created ifo file)
5. dvd2one the set
6. unpad set
7. rename vts files back to vts_02 as dvd2one change it to vts_01
8. copy set back to original dir.
9. run update and got error "The new IFO file has more cells than the original. ABORTING"

This is with makeiteasy 15

I did a few using 14, but never notice this problem. Any clue? And before, I didn't notice that I had to rename the vts, but that might be it was vts_01, so don't remember.

[Mitchjs]

your not reading my steps!!!!


4. run DVD2ONE

5. remove padding...

6. Create NEW IFOS (ifoedit.95)

7. rename vob set back to _4 (and the ifo)



look at 6!!!!!!!!!!!!

after pading removed... dump the ifos

make new ones to the vobs that came out of dvd2one


its is very simple

i have just done another dvd, 19pgc photoshop training dvd!

PERFECT!

mitch

[drmih]

When using the vts_01_0.ifo created by dvd2one (including the padding) I get no errors from MakeItEasy after updating the data back into the original ifo file but I do have problems accessing the later chapters on a disc on dvd players that are strict with respect to the dvd format. When I copied the dvd2one files to a safe directory and then ran ifoedit on the vobs after the padding was removed when I checked the cell infomation I found that the numbers were slightly different (the start and last sector were not identical to the original). I have not done an exact check but from the time I identified this I have started to use the newly extract ifo file to update with and to this time have not had any more problems.

Another totally different problem I came across was where a vts set has the first pgc as the dummy (0.12s) vob-id. After encoding, DVD2One had created an ifo file where all of the references to this vob-id (in my case vob-id=5) were set to vob-id=0? Therefore MakeItEasy would not update the original ifo file because it saw the difference. Luckily vob-id=5 was the last one in the set so I just extracted it from the original set, tagged it on the end of the new files and manually changed the ifo file to show 5 in every position where 0 was. This done MakeItEasy worked fine and the disc plays perfectly.