ripping speed from 10x to 2x....

[toolman2k]

hi all,

i have done lots of ripping with decrypter.it worked fast usually like 10/12 speed.which is very nice.but lately is dropped to about max 2x.....i tried ripping on other installation (on same hardware) and it was fast.so idecided to re-install my system which i did today.

well its faster now, but max of 4x, not even near what i used to have.

anybody an idea ? this is weird.i have nothing running and checked processes.which are the same as the other xp install i have.......well antivirus is there and MSN, but even with those disabled it still goes sloooww.....what to do ?? please help me out.

[killingspree]

just answered this question 2 minutes ago, don't want to write it again!

so pls read here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43748

regards
steVe

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by killingspree
just answered this question 2 minutes ago, don't want to write it again!

so pls read here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43748

regards
steVe

thanks alot! i already read that post...but then your answer wasnt there yet...but do i have to remove the controller itself, just the primary+secondary channels or both ?

thanks.

[killingspree]

no just uninstall it in the device manager. just be sure you uninstall the whole IDE bus controller (either primary or secondary) and not the drives themselves, as this would be of no use!

regards
steVe

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by killingspree
no just uninstall it in the device manager. just be sure you uninstall the whole IDE bus controller (either primary or secondary) and not the drives themselves, as this would be of no use!

regards
steVe


well i did what u told me.....but still it doesnt rip fast....i deleted the whole channel and let it reinstall again. but it still rips at 3x, while i can rip easily at7/8x at my other xp installation...i dont get it.

[killingspree]

if you are ripping above 2x as you said, there is another problem, since PIO mode will not allow anything faster than 2 or 2.1x speeds.

have you tried other rippers?
regards
steVe

[N_F]

Have you experienced this with just one DVD or several? It's been my experience some DVD's will rip really slow no matter how fast your DVD-player is.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by N_F
Have you experienced this with just one DVD or several? It's been my experience some DVD's will rip really slow no matter how fast your DVD-player is.


it is with the matrix dvd.....which rips at 8-10x normally...but now only 3x....

[BrandonClaps]

it is the actual dvd player......

[jhughe90]

You do NOT need to reinstall the entire IDE channel drivers.

The flag for the PIO/DMA is contained in this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

Choose 001 or 002 depending on if it's on the Primary or Secondary channel. Delete the MasterIdDataCheckSum and SlaveIdDataCheckSum registry values. Actually it doesn't matter which or where, as long as you delete one of them. Upon the next reboot XP will reinitialize the DMA settings and you should be back to normal.

If someone can find out the correct values for these keys at DMA you could probably even avoid the reboot. Or just write them down and when it resets just change the value back.


Jeff

[la_Nce01]

Hi,
because I was bored yesterday I wrote a little tool that will gather
the 'normal' DMA checksums and then write them into registry in a configurable interval (e.g. 10 mins). I don't know if this keeps Windows from switching to PIO mode, but we will see.
Wishes and comments appreciated,

la_Nce

Get it here (http://pages.ivillage.com/avspack01/dmafix.exe)

Sorry for my bad english!

[moose69]

I to have this problem. No matter what dvd I try to rip I keep getting 1.8X speeds on my A04 burner and I have a Hitachi GD-8000 DVDRom Drive that stays around 1X. I am on windows 2000 pro so I am assuming that the I getting these problems for the same reasons. Is this true?

[killingspree]

well i never had these speed problems in win2k, but it's quite a while (almost a year since i've last used win2k)
anyway dvd burners are known to be way slower, but with your normal dvd drive you should get way faster speeds (at least 4-5x i guess)

@la_nce: how does it gather the checksums?

regards
steVe

[la_Nce01]

It's very simple, it deletes all the reg keys, reboots and extracts them rigth after the reboot...

[killingspree]

ok but where does it take the values from it extracts before the reboot? maybe this should be blatantely obvious, but i just don't seem to get it
:confused:

anyway, thanks for the tool, i'm gonna try it tomorrow!

regards
steVe

[la_Nce01]

Originally posted by jhughe90
You do NOT need to reinstall the entire IDE channel drivers.

The flag for the PIO/DMA is contained in this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

Choose 001 or 002 depending on if it's on the Primary or Secondary channel...
...

[killingspree]

ok, i've tried the tool and it works perfectly :-P thanks again - and sorry for my stupid questions :-)

regards
steVe

[Arc]

I've tried what jhughe90 said but it doesn't help.

I have a Pioneer 104 drive. Does anyone else have one of these drives that can read over 2.1x?

[killingspree]

hav you tried la_NCe01s tool? it's attached a few messages above...

regards
steVe

[Arc]

Yes, I tried la_NCe01s tool but it didn't help either.

[windtrader]

I have been having this problem forever and when I read this post I thought FINALLY the mystery has been resolved.

I deleted the datachecksum reg entries for both primary and slave devides on both primary and secondary channels. Rebooted and saw the new entries.

Threw a disc into DVDDecrypter and :( no change. Drive still reading at 2x. Bummin....... It is a Pioneer 105.

[Arc]

I wonder why this doesn't seem to work for the Pioneer drives? :(

[killingspree]

Perhaps they have an internal mechanism preventing the drive to read faster than this. have you tried with a non encrypted disk. perhaps this is the problem. i've heard that this sometimes too is the problem.

one unencrypted disk i've seen recently is Steve - O's Jackass movie; don't know witch one though...

regards
steVe

[Arc]

I've tried ripping a non-encrypted DVD that I made from video capturing. Same result, 2.1x

[killingspree]

well it's another thing with DVDs that have been burnt. they tend to be slower to rip anyway...

regards
steVe

[MrWGT]

Hi...

i own a pioneer DVR-A05 and the read speed is

- about 2.1x with DVD-9
- 5x (start) - 7x (end) with DVD-5

I assume that all pioneer dvd players "detects" a video dvd-9 and reduces the playback speed to around 2x in order to reduce noise (for a normal dvd playback).I have a Pioneer 104 drive. Does anyone else have one of these drives that can read over 2.1x?
Regards

Gerd Mitländer

[killingspree]

@MrWGT: you have to be aware of the fact that DVD writers like yours are generally slower than normal DVD drives. and of course DVD9 are harder to read than normal DVD 5...

regards
steVe

[r6d2]

Originally posted by la_Nce01
because I was bored yesterday I wrote a little tool that will gather
the 'normal' DMA checksums and then write them into registry in a configurable interval (e.g. 10 mins). I don't know if this keeps Windows from switching to PIO mode, but we will see.
Wishes and comments appreciated,

I' so glad you were bored! My ripping speed increased 6 times after running your tool.

Is this just an XP "bug" or what?

[killingspree]

Originally posted by r6d2

Is this just an XP "bug" or what?
yup. just that afaik it is intended to be this way, to 'protect' the drives.

steVe

[r6d2]

Well, in my case it also speeded up the HDD. Took me just 10 hours to encode 3 2-CD movies (overnight) wih DVD2SVCD batch mode.

Any "damages" reported to the drives without this "protection"?

[Fantom]

I had this problem for a long time so I will tell my story.

Windows XP Pro. When I only had one DVD-Rom drive (Sony DDU1621) it would sometimes get "locked" to reading @ 2x. This usually seemed to happen when I had tried to decrypt without unlocking using a software player. But I could fix it by uninstalling the DVD-Rom drive (only) and re-booting. I never once touched the IDE channel. Then anytime between one day and a month, it would get locked again and I would uninstall the drive again, reboot & good to go.

Then I bought a DVD-RW drive (Sony DRU-510A) so I had 2 DVD drives. When it got locked at 2x, unistalling the DVD-Rom drive didn't fix it anymore. Unistalling both drives didn't fix it either. Only by unistalling the 2 drives and the IDE channel did it finally work.

I haven't yet tried uninstalling the IDE channel only, but it's interesting that uninstalling the DVD-Rom drive always worked for me when it was mentioned earlier that doing this would serve no purpose. Doing this always worked for me.

I will try la_NCe01s tool. Thanks in advance la_NCe01, sometimes this can happen a few times a week so if it works for me too, it will save a lot of hassle.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Just a thought!

I experienced the same problem some time ago and tracked it down to an old copy of RemoteSelector I had installed.

If you have a copy of this (or any similar type of program) I would try removing it 'completely' from your system. Reboot and see what happens.

Worked for me!

Now I've got a totally region free DVD drive I don't have to bother with such tools!

[sync]

I tried all the ideas in this thread and none of them worked for me. My new Optorite burner was ripping at 1X and burning at 1.3X with 2.4X +RW. I created a new partition and put a fresh install of XP on it. Now my drive rips at 4X and burns 2.4X.

[nooner6]

I installed the dmafix.exe and my system is back to DMA mode2. Dvd Decrypter was ripping at 4.5x and then the system hangs. Anyone know why? Does that mean I need the ATA66 cable?

[SirCentipede]

@jhughe90

thank you for the registry trick, it worked on my Toshiba DVD-Rom...I'm back to fast ripping-lane again, wrooooom ...;-)

@la_Nce01

thank you for your tool, but it didn't work for me... all it says after reboot is: couldn't retrieve MasterIdDataCheckSum. Maybe the problem is that my secondary IDE chanel on which my DVD-Burner (Master) and my DVD-Rom (Slave)are has the following registry code:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0004

and not 001 or 002 at the end like in jhughe90's description.

Is somebody out there who can tell me if that is the problem and how to get dmafix to work ?

[Fat Bast'rd]

What does "Fehler beim Holen der Daten fur 'MasterId CheckSum'" mean in English, please?

[SirCentipede]

@Fat Bast'rd

It means: "Error during retrieval of the data of 'MasterIDcheksum'"

I get the same error message when using dmafix...

[Fat Bast'rd]

I re-installed the system bus (as 1st recommended on this thread), and my DVD players don't read any faster, but my hard drives have got much quicker!

I have the Pioneer 120S, but I'll be buggered if I can get anywhere near the x16 speed it's rated at. Most of the time it hovers around x4, but has peaked to x6-x7.

[nooner6]

I had some time and did some testing to find out where the problem is. I finally got an ATA133 IDE cable and connect to the Samsung SD-816(DVD-ROM). As soon as I start ripping. It hangs at 4.5x like before. I went into BIOS and changed the second IDE controller to DMA1 mode instead of DMA2 when BIOS does the auto-detect. Start up XP again and made sure that in Hardware device that the 2nd IDE is in DMA mode1. Started Dvd Decrypter and it started to rip at 4.5x and increase to 6.5x. About 33% of the ripping process, system hangs again. I went back to BIOS and changed DMA to Mode0(Lowest I can go). Started XP and ripping with DVD Decrypter again. It ripped at 4.5x and increased to 7.5x. I was really happy as it reached 80%. Then system hangs at 84% with 7.5x ripping speed. I restarted the system and there were total of 17 files and only 2 left that were 1G byte files. So I continued to rip where it hung before and was able to finish ripping with no problem. My question is, why would my system hangs at 84%? If it's BUS speed related, I shouldn't be able to get so far. If not BUS speed related, what else could it be? Anyone?

[SirCentipede]

Strange...

After I did the registry trick on the IDE channels my DVD-Burner (NEC ND-1100A) burns DVD+R with 4.2x in DVDDecrypter. Before that it was just 2.4x although i used DVD+R 4x media. I'm not complaining, just wondering, can there be any connection to resetting the checksums in the registry ?

[Fat Bast'rd]

My first burn after re-installing the IDE bus was at x4. Since that one time, it has now dropped back to x2. :(

[SirCentipede]

@Fat Bast'rd

hmmm... I did two discs yesterday at 4x. Maybe it will go back to 2.4x again in the near future, but i hope it doesn't.

But do you know why is that, that my burning speed increased ?

[dvd_maniac]

I have read that a coouple of the guys that posted here have pioneer a05's and are getting slow rip speeds.
Have you guys heard of the speed hack firmware for this drive?
The speeds I get are
dvd9 = starts at around 4x goes up to around 8-9x and comes back down to around 5x usually around 14 minutes for 8GB.
dvd5 = starts around 8x goes all the way up to 12x then back to 8x for the end usually under 6 minutes.

[sehh]

Pioneer dvd drives are speed-locked.

For example the CD ripping speed is downgraded to 16x
instead of 40x that is advertised by pioneer.

As dvd_maniac already mentioned, there is a hacked firmware
which allows us to use all the speeds possible by the drive.

I've got a Pioneer DVD-305S (scsi).

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by sehh
Pioneer dvd drives are speed-locked.

For example the CD ripping speed is downgraded to 16x
instead of 40x that is advertised by pioneer.

But why? I can't see it would do them any good. Maybe they're speed-locked for a technical reason, and that unlocking them will not guarantee you safe data extraction.

[sehh]

I dont know why they are speed-locked, but what you suggest is indeed a possibility.

[dvd_maniac]

They are locked to read encrypted dvd's at 2x to make our lives of backup harder. Geusss this is a liscense issue with the movie industries. They read unencrypted dvds at the advertised speeds. Most burners are locked from what I've read. The speed hack makes my life a whole lot easier and makes me happy to defeat the mightily greedy, evil empire of movie industries.

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
They are locked to read encrypted dvd's at 2x to make our lives of backup harder. They read unencrypted dvds at the advertised speeds.

To test your theory, I have just run off a copy of an unencrypted backup I made earlier from a Pioneer 120S, and it fumbled around at 4x-5x, before slowly rising to 6x, then 7x, 8x, 9x and peaking at 9.7x. It averaged 6.6x according to DVD Decrypter, yet it is rated as a 16x drive.

The disc is completely full to the edge, so the 16x quoted speed should be possible - but it didn't happen.

Anyone know where I can get an 'unlocking' patch from for the Pioneer 120S?

[dvd_maniac]

There are alot of other variables that go into ripping speeds. the reason that it goes up and down during the cource of ripping is the placement of the data on the disc. If your dvd-rom has a constant spin speed then as it gets to the outside of the disc it will read less data per revolution. this is why cheap dvd media has freezing problems when filled to the end. also the error rate is important. the more errors it encounters the slower windows will read it. And because dvd-r+r media is harder to read, the more errors dvd-roms encounter and the slower it rips them. To do a FAIR comparison, you would have to find a pressed unencrypted dvd5 to acheive the highest possible rip speeds. There are also problems within winxp that have been disscussed in this forum that when it encounters errors on an IDE channel it logs it and automaticcaly slows the read speed for that device. And no, I do not think there is a speed hack for your device, I may be wrong though.
And I am sorry for the last post They read unencrypted dvds at the advertised speeds this is not totally accurate, as the OS and everything else is taken into account.

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
To do a FAIR comparison, you would have to find a pressed unencrypted dvd5 to acheive the highest possible rip speeds.

Just done an unencrypted DVD-9 and got peak speed at 11x, and average at 8.2x.

[mothman]

I have a HP DVD200i, it used to rip at 2x flucuating then i upgraded the firmware from their website and now i get 6x steady.

[dvd_maniac]

those are awesome ripping speeds. what firmware are you currently running and is that (120s) a burner or player? Also I wonder what you would get on a dvd(5) as they are usually faster given that it is easier to read single layers. Do youo have a dvd5 that is not encrypted? and also not a -r(w)/+r(w)

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
those are awesome ripping speeds. what firmware are you currently running and is that (120s) a burner or player? Also I wonder what you would get on a dvd(5) as they are usually faster given that it is easier to read single layers. Do youo have a dvd5 that is not encrypted? and also not a -r(w)/+r(w)

The 120 is a player only. As to the firmware, it's whatever it was when I bought it - it's unchanged.


Just 4U, I found an unencrypted DVD-5....

Wait for it, wait for it.....

Average 10.6x. Peak 15.1x


That seems to prove your theory nicely. :-)

[dvd_maniac]

Oh wait, this is the very first time I have been right, now I am getting confused, what do I do next.........:scared:

hehe, usually when you open up a recording application it tells you which firmware you have. I would love to know because the speeds you are getting are incredible and I am GOING to buy that drive as soon as I find out if I can get it with the same firmware you have....

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by dvd_maniac
usually when you open up a recording application it tells you which firmware you have. I would love to know because the speeds you are getting are incredible and I am GOING to buy that drive as soon as I find out if I can get it with the same firmware you have....

It is rated at 16x off-the-shelf. But alas, it appears you only get that from unencrypted DVD-5's around the outer edges.

Maybe we should petition the firmware guys to bring an unlocked one out for this drive.

[dvd_maniac]

When thier is a locked firmware on a drive it is usually a 2x limit. When you get above that thier is little a firmware upgrade will do. But to get peak speeds of 11x on dvd9 is awesome. I only get up to 8.5x with hacked A05.

[evb62]

I'm getting a 'page not found' at the dmafix.exe download link posted by la_Nce01. Is this tool available somewhere else?

[kilm]

Damn i tried both ways and neither worked:

-uninstalling secondary chan ( 2 dvd drives )
-deleting the reg strings manually

i even uninstalled primary chan, nothing :/
the link to the dmadix made by the bored guy ;p is borken ! someone post it again plz.

my pioneer 105 dvd-r burner still damn reading at 2x, peak like 2.2x
my pioneer 106 dvd does a little better at like 3x

this sux, my new burner gona blow up soon with the heat, as it takes 50 min to rip a dvd9 using dvdcrypter.
dvdxcopy 1.5.2 and nero6 show same slow performance.

First I thought it was an aspi problem. anyway still 2x damn it !

[harycover]

can anyone please tell me where to find dmafix.exe posted by la_nce01 ??
or send it to me to harycover@ifrance.com

thanks a lot !

[chet]

yes, I'd like a copy too. the link is broken.

[harycover]

still didn't get it, if anyone get it please repost a fresh link to it, thanks

[la_Nce01]

Sorry to revive this thread, but seems like the best possibility.
New version of dma-fix, GPL'ed

Installer (http://files.hof-vat.com/dmafix/dmafix_inst.exe)
Source code (delphi) & NSIS setup script (http://files.hof-vat.com/dmafix/dmafix-0.1-source.zip)

Note: If you just want to use this tool, you'll just need the installer. Should save you some hassles.

[harycover]

Thanks ! :) i'll try it and feedback you

[Karovaldas]

Anybody ever figure out what does that German Error actually signify?

'Fehler beim Holen der Daten fur "primary"'

DMAfix.exe does not work on my computer--it just spits out this error and then continues as a process in the background without doing anything.

For some reason I have two Primary IDE and two Secondary IDE entries. I have two hard drives sitting on the Primary IDE, a SATA HD on one of the SATA interfaces and a CD-RW as well as a DVD+RW on the secondary IDE. I surmise that the second Primary IDE is for the SATA. What does the second Secondary IDE guy doing there?

Finally, I have 9! (0000 through 0008 plus \Properties) entries in the registry where I am supposed to delete entries:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\
{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\

How do I figure which one to delete? BTW, only 0004 and 0005 have CheckSum Error entries, which simplifies the question...

Thanks

[la_Nce01]

Try to run it as Administrator.

[Cokedealer]

I got the same german error msg and i am running as admin on win2k

[Karovaldas]

I am running administrator as well ... with no luck so far. Had to reinstall the drivers and that fixed the slowdown.

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Karovaldas

'Fehler beim Holen der Daten fur "primary"'


translation: Error fetching Data for "primary"

hth
steVe

[la_Nce01]

Sry, didn't check back for a while.
Try to delete 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\dmafix2'.

[boomer2003]

Sorry to revive this thread, but seems like the best possibility.
New version of dma-fix, GPL'ed

Installer
Source code (delphi) & NSIS setup script

Note: If you just want to use this tool, you'll just need the installer. Should save you some hassles.

Please update url if possible.

Thanks

[jokerjr]

yes does anyone has the dmafix.exe the link doesn't work

[killingspree]

i've mirrored it for now... if anybody has any objections against this, please drop me a pm!

download (www.stefanstrobl.at/doom9/dmafix_inst.exe)

kr
steVe