hauppauge wintv nova question

[delboy180459]

i currently have the card hooked upto my sky digital minidish and when i do a channel scan in the bundeled software it seems to find channels but cant identify them, does anyone know why. also if its the bundled software thats at fault can anyone recomend an alternative (freeware if pos).

thanks a lot.

del.

[droolian01]

Hi there

First off, i assume you have the nova-s card, but it doesn't really matter as you cannot access skyTV with any dvb-s card as the encription is totally non-standard (not just the usual CI module into which you plug in your appropriate CAM) it is hardware based in the sky stb. No one has been able to circumvent it afaik and many have tried.

Now, you can get a spare dish and point it at a nearby sat and get 'standardly' encrypted signal, but i think you nay have problems there too. I think you will be able to recieve free-to-view channels fine, but as the nova-s is a software based mpeg2 decoder you may not be able to use the many 3rd party dvb-s apps out there as they are designed to work with the nexus-s cards (which are just technotrend cards) which have hardware mpeg2 decoding. Using multidec (and other) 3rd party apps you can decode most encrypted channels, but not with the 'budget' software mpeg2 card.

This stuff is way more advanced in Germany as their main sat-tv providers (premier world?) use standard encryption. Some of the best caps available can be found there (high bitrates and ac3 sound!).

I think that most of this should still be correct, i havent looked into this stuff for months now (gave up when i realised that i wasn't going to cap buffy off of sky one!). I now have a dvb-t card and love it (despite the software!!!!)

droolian

[delboy180459]

thanks for your reply droolian.

i dont think my card is the nova-s as it says its just a nova, and you are right my card is software based mpeg2 decoding.

i have tried multidec but it complains about some arm error in german, my guess is that is it failing to find the mpg2 chip.

anyway thanks for clearing that up for me about sky.

del.

[kindred]

Originally posted by droolian01
Hi there

First off, i assume you have the nova-s card, but it doesn't really matter as you cannot access skyTV with any dvb-s card as the encription is totally non-standard (not just the usual CI module into which you plug in your appropriate CAM) it is hardware based in the sky stb. No one has been able to circumvent it afaik and many have tried.


Its actually possible, albeit via an expensive and complex setup. And you *really* don't want to capture Buffy on SkyOne, the bitrate sucks (no pun intended). I capture Buffy on the BBC2Scotland transponder which is double that of the UK BBC2 - thats about the only major advantage DS has over DTT for me (and the odd SkyOne programme).

[cube]

@kindred:

Any chance you could explain this setup?

Thanks.

[delboy180459]

the wintv nova cannot seem to understand the digital fta/ftv channels on astra 19.2e i am getting good signal/quality and it does say they are dvb channels ie: rtl sat1 news channels, ive checked them on lyngsat and none are encrypted i also seem very limited software wise i havent found any that work other than the one for the card ie dvbtv.

i card is capable of recieving digital tv, it says so on the box and on there website.

any ideas ??

del.

[droolian01]

Hi kindred

you're right about sky1 bitrate, but i'm curious too about the method used. I know that you can use certain nokia stb's which have a scsi output to get meg2 transport streams out, but this method still requires getting around the unique encryption.

I'm sure if you opened a stb and sniffed around a bit there must be some way to get at mpeg2 data before it is converted to an analogue signal, is this what you mean?

Any links too would be cool

tia,

droolian

[cube]

@ Droolian:

The same effect can be seen by taking the raw stream Sky+ boxes save to their HD's, no loss of quality but still encrypted (infact I don't know if the filesystem is accessible by a pc).

@ Kindred:

Be nice if you could post how you get the raw MPEG stream :D

[kindred]

droolian is on the right lines in his last statement, but i'd rather not go into any more detail (every tom, dick, and harry would be doing it). Its also very hard to explain, since its not a standard way of doing DVB captures and there are no websites or anything explaining it. I get people bugging me every day and to be honest I'm sick of it, sorry.

[cube]

droolian is on the right lines in his last statement, but i'd rather not go into any more detail (every tom, dick, and harry would be doing it).

And? What would this matter. There would be nothing Sky could do about it. As far as I'm concerned, I pay for that digital stream and I want to back it up in it's purest form.

Its also very hard to explain, since its not a standard way of doing DVB captures and there are no websites or anything explaining it.

Obviously, what do you expect when you claim to know about how to do something few do? It is inevitable that people will ask.

I get people bugging me every day and to be honest I'm sick of it, sorry.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

You are either

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A Liar, or
Someone whojust want's to gloat and show off, and not be helpful.
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Where would any of us be withoout the help of others? Without the guides on doom9, very few of us would be able to say, rip dvds with any ounce of quality.

[kindred]

Originally posted by cube

Obviously, what do you expect when you claim to know about how to do something few do? It is inevitable that people will ask.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have said anything in the first place.

You are either

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A Liar, or
Someone whojust want's to gloat and show off, and not be helpful.
[/list=a]

Where would any of us be withoout the help of others? Without the guides on doom9, very few of us would be able to say, rip dvds with any ounce of quality.

If you knew me you'd know i'm neither of the above - but you don't, so please don't jump to conclusions about me. I apologise if my last post sounded a bit harsh and secretive, but Sky could stop it, and I really don't want that to happen. I won't be bothering to reply to any more of these posts now, as I said I'm bugged about this constantly and this thread will just add to frustration. In a way, you're right - I shouldn't have mentioned this in the first place, sorry.

[cofferscuffs]

Originally posted by kindred
If you knew me you'd know i'm neither of the above - but you don't, so please don't jump to conclusions about me. I apologise if my last post sounded a bit harsh and secretive, but Sky could stop it, and I really don't want that to happen. I won't be bothering to reply to any more of these posts now, as I said I'm bugged about this constantly and this thread will just add to frustration. In a way, you're right - I shouldn't have mentioned this in the first place, sorry.

PDTV from Sky IS possible ;) so I can definatly back you up on that. And I also agree the method should be kept secret. Although the Sky One resolution is gay at 514x576 being fullscreen

[cofferscuffs]

*STAB* a pm from cube.

No hint at all on SKy PDTV method? I'll take a solemn oath not to pass it on. All I want it for is personall backups. I don't want a detailed guide, just some hints, or a brief overview... what I'm imagining is some circuitry hooked up to the STB's PCB which is fed through a dvb card.

[cube]

?

Was gunna post it in the forum anyway, just thought you'd be more perceptive if I PM'd you.

Paste what you want, I've nothing to hide. Unless you want to not give help to those who have given it to you (not me specificly but doom9 as a community).

[cofferscuffs]

the truth is, and kin will agree with me, if other people could do it, then it would be stopped quickly. by keeping it to a select group of people it won't be found out. simple.

now please stop asking for something you won't find.

[kindred]

I'm interested someone else has done it (knowing what hell I went through) - care to share privately?

I'm not 100% sure Sky could stop it, but I'm pretty sure they'd try, and thats the risk I'm not wanting to take. If other people figure it out themselves, so be it.

[Herske]

Trust me, sky can't stop it unless they stop viewing for everyone else. OTOH, if you paid your sub, they should not care.

People figured it out quite some time ago, because the service manuals were available; for example, there is a documented option of getting full TS through IE 1284; it's not ever used.

Anyway, simpler methods might come out, a dvb-s card + phoenix + original card would be just perfect. ZKT might be a problem! :D


PS. I'm not from UK and I don't have sky!

[Flaarn]

having looked at this topic,I agree it would be nice to know the "secret", however using high quality leads and s-video some reasonable results can be obtained,the D/A conversion sucks as does the bitrate on sky but any encoder worth their salt can compensate at least partially for this, to the guys in the "know" keep on rocking, i'll keep doing things the way i am for now, until a better method is available ,cause even if you have the stream,the truth is with the bitrate sky one transmit at,you are limited with what you can do with it,though i have seen some nice results.

:devil:

Flaarn

[cube]

Dunno how many of you'll get this but *ahem* cheetah *ahem*.