Gordian Knot - Virtual Dub and audio

[SleepingLily]

Hello,

I’m not sure if I should have posted here or the newbie section because I just completed my first rip and used the Gknot Xvid tutorial. BTW... it was *extremely* well done, except it doesn’t tell you to write down the "start credits" number and I had to start over. Thank you to all who were kind enough to put that together. :)

The results were what you would expect from xvid; the movie quality is outstanding on what I watched from it. However, I couldn’t get the version of Virtual Dub that was with Gknot to work and had to upgrade to 1.4.13. From the tutorial... In the section of the 2-pass tab... the "min keyframe interval set to 6" was not an option. Anyone know what the equivalent of this is in the newer version and where it’s located? Or is this something that I don’t have to worry about with this version.

I just found out that the tutorial had me download an older version of Gknot. (0.21 w/0.23 update) I rather not use the most current version out there because it uses DVD Decrypter and I really like the extra flexibility that Smart Ripper offers. Can someone tell me where I can download the most current version that still utilizes Smart Ripper? There was a point where GKnot pulled up WMP 6.4 and trashed WMP 7.1. Anyone else had this problem because re-installing doesn’t work or putting it in a different directory. I’m not sure how to fix this without re-ghosting. (I hope I don't have to do that) Does the newer version still pulls up WMP 6.4? If it does, is there a way to change its default behavior to 7.1?

I read some where that it takes Virtual Dub 4 – 6 hours to complete. Mine took 10 1/2 hours for some reason and I followed the tutorial to the "T". I have a slower system P3 600 but should it take this long?? Anyway to process it quicker?

In the tutorial it only does 2 channels for audio... how do I get 6 channels when the movie offers it?

Thanks for any feedback,
SleepingLily

[cjv]

Hi,

I see this is your first post. You know, there is a Gordian Knot forum that you might get a better response in, as I think most people only use Gordian Knot here as a crop/bitrate calculator. I will help you with the XviD stuff, though.

With a P3 600, yea its going to take a _long_ time. On my Athlon 1400 it sometimes takes me 10+ hours.

"minimum keyframe interval" == "minimimum I-frame interval", it's on the first tab where you select the quant type, and just leave it at 1. Actually, with the current XviD builds, you can leave most everything at defaults and come out with an amazing rip.

To get 6 channels of audio, that means you are going to keep the original AC3 file. Instead of selecting an audio bitrate in gordian knot, just press the load button and select your AC3 file. Then for frame overhead, select 1xac3.

I strongly suggest you check out iago's updated 2-pass document for a very easy walk-through of XviD's best features. It will answer all your questions.

cjv

[SleepingLily]

Originally posted by cjv
Hi,

I see this is your first post. You know, there is a Gordian Knot forum that you might get a better response in, as I think most people only use Gordian Knot here as a crop/bitrate calculator. I will help you with the XviD stuff, though.

With a P3 600, yea its going to take a _long_ time. On my Athlon 1400 it sometimes takes me 10+ hours.

"minimum keyframe interval" == "minimimum I-frame interval", it's on the first tab where you select the quant type, and just leave it at 1. Actually, with the current XviD builds, you can leave most everything at defaults and come out with an amazing rip.

To get 6 channels of audio, that means you are going to keep the original AC3 file. Instead of selecting an audio bitrate in gordian knot, just press the load button and select your AC3 file. Then for frame overhead, select 1xac3.

I strongly suggest you check out iago's updated 2-pass document for a very easy walk-through of XviD's best features. It will answer all your questions.

cjv

[SleepingLily]

Ooops! Sorry... messed that one up! Trying again...

Originally posted by cjv

I strongly suggest you check out iago's updated 2-pass document for a very easy walk-through of XviD's best features. It will answer all your questions.

cjv

Hi cjv,

I went to the guide section and the only things I found over there with xvid is the Xvid full guide (the one I used) and one dealing with external stats. Do you remember the name of iago's doc or have a link?

I was thinking on going to svcd with xvid but when I did a search in the scvd/vcd group someone asked the same question but no one answered. I'm guessing the question should be here being it's xvid?:confused Is this possible or would the quality degrade and not be worth while? If it is possible, what guide should I use because I couldn't find one that uses xvid? (Maybe I'm just not understanding the process) I'm also looking to do menus and bonus material too. I'm not concern with difficulty as long as the tutorial is written well like the GKnot/Xvid guide.

Thank you for the valuable information. :)

[cjv]

Iago updated the guide a few days ago. Check the thread
"XviD Two-pass encoding document" which is just a few threads below and go to the last (or second last) page. The guide is a zip attachment of a Word document.

XviD is MPEG4 and cannot be put on a SVCD which is MPEG-2. They are totally different. XviD is great for fitting pure DVD quality movies on 1-2 CD and you can keep the AC3 audio, but currently requires a computer for playback. SVCD standard allows menus, extras, DVD player standalone compatibility, etc. A movie you could put on 2CD with XviD will usually require 3 SVCD's at a much lower resolution. XviD looks great on PC and tv-out, and sounds great with 6-channel AC3 on a home theater. SVCD looks best on TV, and only has 2 channel audio. The choice is yours, read up on both methods, do some experiments and see what you prefer..you can never learn too much.

This thread is kinda getting OT from XviD now, but hopefully some of this helps out.

cjv

[SleepingLily]

I found it... great information! Thank you for your help, you have been very insightful. I'm not going to deal with svcd's until and if, they can get as good or close as xvid.

Cheers,
SleepingLily

[manono]

Hi-

I'm not going to deal with svcd's until and if, they can get as good or close as xvid.

That'll happen when Hell freezes over. :)

[SleepingLily]

Originally posted by manono
Hi-

I'm not going to deal with svcd's until and if, they can get as good or close as xvid.

That'll happen when Hell freezes over. :)
LOL... You’re probably right manono, but it would be great if they overcome that barrier someday. :)