How to view Vob-ID's to know which to rip in IFOEdit?

[fubarduck]

OK, I am wanting to rip some of the FBI warnings and nonsense in a DVD, but still want to keep the original menu. I know exactly how this whole process SHOULD work, but I am unable to view VobID's. I used the search function, and found a similar thread right here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18859) that unfortunately was never answered. Here are the programs I've tried:

VOBrator: This thing is crap. Not only does it crash all the time, but it won't play any Vob-ID's in VIDEO_TS.VOB. It plays any Vob-ID I want when selecting my main movie VOB. I did a search on the subject and found that installing WinDVD 3 fixed VOBrator's "Failed to render graph" error; however, I did try installing WinDVD 3 and I still cannot play back any VobID's in VIDEO_TS.VOB.


DVD2AVI: The supposed "alternative" that Doom9 mentions doesn't really seem to be an "alternative" at all. Quoted from the thread I linked to above:

"Use DVD2AVI? .... Tried that too, I press F5, the cursor simply goes from beginning to end and black screen."

I am having the same problem. This question was never adequately answered either.


VOBEdit: I heard that this program could be used to achieve VobID information as well. No luck here, either. Upon opening VIDEO_TS.VOB, I tried the "Preview" function as recommended on another thread I was reading on every single item in VIDEO_TS.VOB. They all gave me a black screen.


IFOEdit: I also heard that the "DVD Play" function could be used to achieve VobID's. However, it appears that the only thing that can be learned from the IFOEdit's DVD Play function are which Title Sets were used. Please correct me if I'm wrong!


OK, so that's it--all four programs which supposedly are able to view Vob-ID's so that one can use IFOEdit to get rid of them are all unusable as far as I can tell. If there are any solutions for any of the above programs, or any alternatives, please reply and let me know! Thanks in advance!

fubarduck

[fubarduck]

Upon further examination, it appears that VIDEO_TS.VOB does not contain any of the FBI Warnings or splash screens--seems they're all in VTS_01_XXX.VOB . . . however, I can't seem to use the VOB Extras feature to strip the proper Vob IDs without losing menu functionality (the menu is still there when I tell PowerDVD or IFOEdit to go to root menu, but I need it to play on startup). VOB ID's 1, 2, 5, and 6 are the ones I need to lose in VTS_01_XXX.VOB. I have tried different advice from EVERY guide and I just can't seem to make things work. Please give any input that you think might be helpful!

Thanks,
fubarduck

[benza]

Open your VOB in DVD2AVI and press F6 (not F5!). Now you can move the slider and to the right you will see a lot of info (also the VOB-ID's). The only problem I sometimes have with DVD2AVI is that I can't view per VOB-ID. If anybody else knows a (stable!) VOB-ID viewer, please let me know.

[fubarduck]

Hi Benza, thanks for the advice.

Your method appears to be the most accurate way to attain Vob-ID information. However, I still get only a black screen when viewing VIDEO_TS.VOB, even when using the slider. I think this might be what it is supposed to do though--as I posted above, when I open my VTS_01_1.VOB set, I am able to find Vob ID's for the FBI Warning and whatnot. My problem now is getting rid of them while keeping full functionality with the original menu. Thanks, and please reply!

fubarduck

[ThaMan]

I just use IfoEdit to see what id's a movie uses.
just rip the complete movie with Dvd Decryptor
Load that ifo file into IfoEdit, and look wich ID's the main movie only uses.
Afterthat i press "Vob Extra's", and click also "Strip Vob Id's" and just choose your main movie files.
And you shall see that all the crap is gone.

[DenFussell]

Fubarduck (sp?)

Using IFOEdit, simply open the ifo file for each title set and scroll down past the stream info and you can see each vob ID & cell info.

If you doubleclick on each one you get a crude viewing screen which has a slider you can use to browse that cell and see what's in it.

I tried vobrator once and it crashed on all my machines so I deleted it.

DVD2AVI is usefull for stripping audio streams and giving you a view of VOB ids at real time but for the easiest I use IFOedit

Good Luck!

[fubarduck]

Hey guys, thanks for the replies. However, this is not the information I am looking for. Please instead try to answer what I wrote in this quote:

Upon further examination, it appears that VIDEO_TS.VOB does not contain any of the FBI Warnings or splash screens--seems they're all in VTS_01_XXX.VOB . . . however, I can't seem to use the VOB Extras feature to strip the proper Vob IDs without losing menu functionality (the menu is still there when I tell PowerDVD or IFOEdit to go to root menu, but I need it to play on startup). VOB ID's 1, 2, 5, and 6 are the ones I need to lose in VTS_01_XXX.VOB. I have tried different advice from EVERY guide and I just can't seem to make things work. Please give any input that you think might be helpful!

Thanks,
fubarduck

[fubarduck]

Update:

I tried again to rip VobID's 1, 2, 5, and 6 from VTS_01_XXX.VOB and this time my new VOB's gave me an illegal navigation error when I tried to play in IFOEdit. This is driving me crazy! Is there anyone that knows what could be going wrong?

Thanks,
fubarduck

[DenFussell]

fubarduck-

See if this helps you!

http://mpucoder.kewlhair.com/derrow/rcopy.html

Good luck!

[fubarduck]

Hi DenFussell, thanks, but as you can read in my quote, I was trying exactly the method listed on http://mpucoder.kewlhair.com/derrow/rcopy.html.

Upon further examination, it appears that VIDEO_TS.VOB does not contain any of the FBI Warnings or splash screens--seems they're all in VTS_01_XXX.VOB . . . however, I can't seem to use the VOB Extras feature to strip the proper Vob IDs without losing menu functionality (the menu is still there when I tell PowerDVD or IFOEdit to go to root menu, but I need it to play on startup). VOB ID's 1, 2, 5, and 6 are the ones I need to lose in VTS_01_XXX.VOB. I have tried different advice from EVERY guide and I just can't seem to make things work. Please give any input that you think might be helpful!

Additionally, I did try to use the "delete playback" feature on the VobID's for the FBI Warning in VTS_01_0.IFO, but to no avail--the Warning played nonetheless. And, in the area that looks like this:

Language menu Unit 1 [English]
Menu 1: [Title Menu] (entry PGC)
Menu 2: [entry only] (programs 1) (Cells 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
Menu 3: [entry only] (programs 1) (Cells 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 2)
Menu 4: [entry only] (programs 1) (Cells 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 3)

Well, in my case these are the different menu screens in VTS_01_0.IFO, so I will get a corrupt DVD if I delete any of those. At the same area in VIDEO_TS.IFO, it appears that the Menu X entries under "Language menu Unit 1" do nothing at all. If I "delete playback" on every single one of them in VIDEO_TS.IFO and save it, the DVD works the same, and the FBI Warning and everything else still plays.

I'm still stumped. Certainly someone knows the answer to such a simple task as removing FBI Warnings? If anyone would like, I can send the .IFO files for the DVD I'm working with for analysis. Please let me know if you can help, or post if there might be anything I've overlooked, or if you need a better description of the processes I took--ANYTHING. Thanks!

fubarduck

[DenFussell]

fubarduck-

When you check your playbacks after editing ifo's, are you playing these on a software player or are you burning RW's.

I've found that powerDVD for instance doesn't always behave as a desktop player and will play things it shouldn't under certain circumstances.

When in doubt, I always burn an RW and try it in a desktop player.

Can you tell us which DVD you're working with? I would like to take a look at it.

[fubarduck]

Thanks for the advice! I will try the DVD+RW that came with my burner and report back here when done.

fubarduck

[destemido]

if you want to go directly to the main menu... it's quite simple
open Video_ts.ifo ... under first play PGC go to program chain or something like that...you probably only need one pre-command, which will tell the DVD that the fisrt thing to play will be the main menu.
rightclick on the precommand and chose edit. chose jump to titleset menu. then chose your title, your titleset and the menu (in this case the title menu)
hope this helps... i usually do it like this and it works.
:D :D

[fubarduck]

If you could explain your method in detail, destemido, I might be able to try it and test/post results. "Something like that" won't cut it in this case, however ^_^ I believe I might have already tried what you're trying to explain, but please use exact details and your help may be beneficial.

Thanks,
fubarduck

[destemido]

ok sorry....
it's exactly like this, then... :D
(pic below...)

[fubarduck]

Update: Tried on my DVD player, didn't load. I have tested the DVD+RW with other DVD titles and it has worked in my player before, so that isn't the problem.

OK. This DVD is just being a jerk. I know where all the warnings are--they're in the VTS_01_XX files, stuck at the beginning and end of the main film (with the warning files stuffed in different VobID's). Now, I can't rip them without getting illegal navigation errors. The best I can do is edit the precommand to jump to the main movie title rather than the warnings, then press a button to get to the menu--but this is still not the desired effect. Changing the precommand to anything else besides "Jump to title" leads to illegal navigation error. Deleting playback on them does nothing--they still play like nothing ever happened. I am completely stumped on this one. This DVD title is Photon: The Idiot Adventures, Region 1 (Anime). If anyone can figure this sucker out, I'd be delighted--but as things stand, I'm about to just give up and let the warnings remain.

Thanks for all your help. PLEASE update this thread if anyone knows of or ever finds a solution to the warnings being embedded in the main movie VOBs.

Update: I can't even change the first title played to the main film and use the button to go to the menu--for some reason, if I change it, it points to the wrong section of the menu, and won't let me go back to the full main menu. This thing seems completely uneditable!

[destemido]

don't lose hope!! yet :D
in first play PGC have one 1 precommand.
or if you still have the original ifo's... "follow" the navigation to see which will call the main menu.
how??? simple..
what's the first play?? is it a title?? or a VMG pgc??
if it's a title open the .ifo to that corresponding title and inside
VTS_PGCITI
search for that vts_pgc (i think vts_pgc number == to title).
When you find the pgc put it on the first play (the command should be jump the videomanager pgc plus the number of that pgc) if i'm not mistaken...

[fubarduck]

Yes destemido, I tried exactly what you said. Like I said:

The best I can do is edit the precommand to jump to the main movie title rather than the warnings, then press a button to get to the menu--but this is still not the desired effect. Changing the precommand to anything else besides "Jump to title" leads to illegal navigation error.
Update: I can't even change the first title played to the main film and use the button to go to the menu--for some reason, if I change it, it points to the wrong section of the menu, and won't let me go back to the full main menu. This thing seems completely uneditable!

Above, I am speaking of the editing of the one precommand in the First Play PGC of video_ts.vob. The first play is a title, and it starts by playing Title 1. However, if I edit this Title to the main film (Title 3), going back to the root menu from this point causes the menu to screw up--first, it goes to the wrong section of the menu, then fails to be able to go back to the root menu screen. So, this method doesn't work, unfortunately. Thanks anyway, though!

fubarduck