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spankey
8th December 2002, 14:04
I have been capturing my son's games to my hard drive to be ripped to svcds so I can have them on disk and not tape... Heres my steps...

I rip it from my digital camera as full DV quality and the result is fine. I then have to use the canopus converter to convert it so DVD2SVCD see's it as an AVI.

I then use DVD2SVCD to convert the AVI to an svcd using CCE and 4 pass vbr.

Then end result on the PC looks awesome.. I then rip the SVCD using NERO and then play it in my standalone PHILLIPS DVD751. It looks horrible. Ghosting and pixelation? Now mind you I use DVD2SVCD to rip dvds to svcds and they play in this same player and look awesome. NOT like the DV ripped one at all???

I then placed the svcd in the computer and played it out to the TV thru my Video card and it looked fine? I also looked at the avi file doing this as well and it looked fine?

Can anyone tell my why my player will play svcd's converted by DVD2SVCD ripped off of DVD's but will not play DV converted svcds? I cheked AVI in the settings and changed NOTHING ELSE in the settings, I left them where I have them when I rip DVD's? COuld that be it? Do I need to change something else in the settings?

If anyone can help me out here, I would honestly appreciate it...

THanks so much..

Spankey.

bb
9th December 2002, 07:33
That sounds weird. Have you tried to play the SVCD on a different DVD player? If it were a shaking picture, I'd say you didn't deinterlace and you chose the wrong field order, but ghosting and pixelation artifacts should appear on both the computer monitor and your DVD player.

Another possible fault comes into my mind as I write these lines: You said you rip the SVCD using Nero. You didn't re-encode with Nero's MPEG-2 plugin, did you? DVD2SVCD creates an image using VCDXBuild; you should just burn the CUE/BIN image (File / burn image or similar).

bb

spankey
9th December 2002, 14:18
BB-

Thanks for the help.. It is baffeling? I can't see what could have happened?

I just burn the cue/bin file with nero. I do the SVCD encoding with dvd2svcd. Nero stinks at encoding we all know that..LOL:D

Its strange at that because as stated by me and you, the finished product shows NO pixelation nor ghosting in on the pc or when I TV out it to the TV...

As a matter of fact, I watched the SVCD MPEG2 file last night and it looked great?

I just don't understand why it plays the dvd rips perfectly clear and the DV rip(capture) horribly with the same settings I used for the DVD's.. I will post my log and see if anyone can help me figure this out?


WNASPI32.DLL 0.0.0.0
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- 12/4/2002 7:43:50 PM
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.1.0 build 1a
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 12/4/2002 7:43:52 PM
- Free on drive C: 31342.00 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Audio extraction finished.

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- 12/4/2002 7:47:04 PM
- Free on drive C: 31184.73 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -ota( -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 12/4/2002 7:48:17 PM
- Free on drive C: 31171.61 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833934864
AudioSectors: 14011396
VideoPAPO: 12701052
ScanOffsetBytes: 30892
SeqAligningBytes: 1963333
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 805228187.60
Seconds: 863.96
CalcMPEGStream: 805228187.60
Frames: 25743
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 25743
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 5
Image Quality: 12
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2230
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
AVISource("C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\JUSTIN~2.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
BicubicResize(480,436,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,22,0,22)
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 0.700
Video Encoding finished.

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- 12/4/2002 9:52:52 PM
- Free on drive C: 30936.92 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/4/2002 9:52:54 PM
- Free on drive C: 30936.91 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/4/2002 9:52:57 PM
- Free on drive C: 30936.91 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/4/2002 9:52:59 PM
- Free on drive C: 30936.91 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 12/4/2002 9:54:29 PM
- Free on drive C: 30690.71 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
856.920 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 12/4/2002 9:54:38 PM
- Free on drive C: 30690.71 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 14

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~1.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 12/4/2002 9:55:20 PM
- Free on drive C: 30440.19 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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Thanks again...

Spank..

bb
9th December 2002, 15:16
Ok, I'll check the settings later. For the processing step I wonder why there isn't any deinterlacing involved. Is your DV AVI progressive already?

If it's interlaced, the AVS file should read like this:

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\plugins\decomb.dll")
AVISource("C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\JUSTIN~2.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
FieldDeinterlace()
BicubicResize(480,436,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,22,0,22)
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

BTW: you really don't need to load the MPEG2DEC plugin for DV sources.
And five passes is a little exaggerated, too: it won't get better avove three passes. And as it's only 15 min long, you could even use CBR at 2520 kbps video, and you could use an audio bitrate of 192 kbps. This leads to much faster encoding and even better quality.

Has your video been shot in 16:9 format? If not, resize to 480x480, and omit the AddBorders command.

Still: I don't know why it looks good on the PC, but not on the standalone. It's a mystery.

bb

spankey
9th December 2002, 19:49
BB-

OK first I didn't realize about deinterlacing... Sorry about that. I remember reading somewhere that you have to deinterlace a DV avi. So I chose SMARTDEINTERLACER? Was this ok and changed NO advanced setting for the smart setting.

I ran CBR and changed the audio to 192 as you stated. The end result looks ten times better than that of the original disk... BUT heres the thing...

When I place the NEW SVCD in the CD-rom and play it, it looks fine that is when I TV out it to the TV, then I place it in my Pioneer DVD player in the pc and tv out that too and it looks great. When I place it in my standalone phillips. That is when I see the shimmering around people and slight pixelation. Now mind you it has gotten better doing it this way vs the other way I did it.

Are there other settings I could try in CCE to make it more clearer? I will post this log below and if you get time, doesn't have to be today, but if you get time you see what I may be doing wrong?

Thanks again BB

Spankey

WNASPI32.DLL 0.0.0.0
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- 12/9/2002 10:24:47 AM
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.1.0 build 1a
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 12/9/2002 10:24:50 AM
- Free on drive C: 29817.08 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Audio extraction finished.

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- 12/9/2002 10:28:27 AM
- Free on drive C: 29662.54 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -ota( -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.wav finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 12/9/2002 10:29:41 AM
- Free on drive C: 29643.21 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833934864
AudioSectors: 20651064
VideoPAPO: 12598200
ScanOffsetBytes: 30353
SeqAligningBytes: 1929089
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 798726154.13
Seconds: 848.98
CalcMPEGStream: 798726154.13
Frames: 25294
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 25294
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 12
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: CBR
Avg. Bitrate: 2230
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
AVISource("C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\JUSTIN~2.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
SmartDeinterlace(2,10,True,False,True)
BicubicResize(480,480,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,0,0,0)
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 0.460
Video Encoding finished.

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- 12/9/2002 11:00:59 AM
- Free on drive C: 29412.63 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/9/2002 11:01:02 AM
- Free on drive C: 29412.61 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/9/2002 11:01:04 AM
- Free on drive C: 29412.61 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/9/2002 11:01:06 AM
- Free on drive C: 29412.61 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 12/9/2002 11:02:23 AM
- Free on drive C: 29163.78 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
841.944 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 12/9/2002 11:02:32 AM
- Free on drive C: 29163.77 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 14

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~1.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 12/9/2002 11:03:08 AM
- Free on drive C: 28910.59 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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bb
9th December 2002, 20:30
For CBR encoding switch off the creation of a VAF file (doubles the speed). Try using the Anti noise filter in DVD2SVCD's Encoder tab. Start with a value of 2; if that's not enough, increase it more.

Do you have some crappy monitor that blurs too much? I still wonder why you don't see artifacts on your PC. Perhaps it's the software decoder's postprocessing, and the Phillips standalone doesn't have it...


bb

atreides93
15th December 2002, 19:40
hey guys,

I import DV from my camera using my firewire card and microsoft's lame moviemaker program.
Then I open the file with CCE 2.62 and encode it to mpeg-2.
with upper field checked. I don't think its good to de-interlace unless you want the result to be viewed on a computer all the time. Otherwise just leave it alone, it has to be interlaced to watch on tv anyway. When you deinterlace you actually blur things a little bit and reduce the quality.

onesoul
20th December 2002, 06:32
Here's a suggestion, like atreides93 said it is better to leave interlaced to view at tv, at advanced settings of cce disable zigzag scanning order and progressive scan. This is the way to deal with interlaced material.

cheers

jankster
20th December 2002, 14:59
On the interlace issue. If you plan to buy a HDTV in the next year or so, wouldn't you want to deinterlace your DV movies. I deinterlace in Premiere but do not check progressive in CCE and the results look better on the computer monitor. Is this right? If I deinterlace and set the mpeg2 as progressive, the output is jumppy on the computer.

I quite SVCD's and only do DVD's, but I know when playing video on regular CD-R on my DVD player there is a max data rate the player can handle (4500?? I can't remember). After that the picture starts to pixelate, and if you push it higher the audio studders too. If I play the exact same video on DVD-RW the video plays smooth.

bb
21st December 2002, 10:49
Originally posted by jankster
I quite SVCD's and only do DVD's, but I know when playing video on regular CD-R on my DVD player there is a max data rate the player can handle (4500?? I can't remember). After that the picture starts to pixelate, and if you push it higher the audio studders too. If I play the exact same video on DVD-RW the video plays smooth.
That's normal, because on DVDs the data density is much higher. With the drive spinning at the same (max.) speed you can achieve a much higher data rate on DVDs than on CDs.

bb

atreides93
21st December 2002, 18:39
I noticed most of those new HDTV monitors have built in 3:2pulldown. since a lot of stuff people watch on HDTV monitors right now is normal interlaced material I'm sure they thought of a way to make it look good despite that.