I bought a Leadtek GeForce4 Ti46000 VIVO

[Darklord]

as the title says, I got a Leadtek Ti4600 VIVO last week.

Got it hooked up this evening. the PVR program seems to work just fine, with one exception, I get a little bit of jitter at the very extreme top of the image.

I have it set to capture at DVD NTSC, which makes for large files but I plan to burn SVCD's from them.

In the setup I have MPEG 2 codec selected, but the output file (test capture I made) says InterVideo Media File. does this sound right?

Should I track down and install the HUFFYUV codec instead?

And lastly, what program should I use to edit with? I have Virtual Dub and TMPGEnc, and I have looked over the basics at VCDhelp.com on both programs.

I just basically want to cut out commercials from recorded TV shows, nothing really fancy required.

[kastro68]

You should have got and ATI All in Wonder 9700 instead.

[diogo6]

I also have a geforce4 ti 4600 with the vivo feature, but mine is from "Gainward"... anyways, have you been able to capture audio with, if so how?

[Darklord]

Originally posted by kastro68
You should have got and ATI All in Wonder 9700 instead.


Why would I want to do that?!?!?!?

ATI sucks for graphics workstations, the drivers don't play nice with OpenGL at all, and is the last card I would want for 3D animation.

ATI's MMC software is some of the worst crap I have ever laid eyes on. I just got RID of the last of that buggy ATI garbage just recently and have had a 100% increase in reliability since adding a GeForce4.

AS for the audio question from the second post, Leadtek has a video input, but audio needed to be run from my PVR to the sound card on my motherboard. I could use either RCA cables or SPDIF inputs. I chose the SPDIF as it is cleaner sound.

[Darksoul71]

@kastro68:
You should have got and ATI All in Wonder 9700 instead.
Is this a useful reply ? NO !
Stop this ATI is better than XYZ stuff :(
ATI cards are not bad but do not neccesarily a better job in capturing video compared to the much cheaper GeForce 4 row....


@Darklord:

Got it hooked up this evening. the PVR program seems to work just fine, with one exception, I get a little bit of jitter at the very extreme top of the image.

No problem here ! This "jitter" is normaly not there on your TV due to overscan. It´s normaly "Teletext" or other informations transmitted with your TV signal like VPS (here in Germany).
Just crop it off be4 encoding.


In the setup I have MPEG 2 codec selected, but the output file (test capture I made) says InterVideo Media File. does this sound right?

Also no problem. Your captured files are MPEG2 but the outfile says "InterVideo" because you have the intervideo MPEG2 playback filter (or MPEG2 capture codec) installed.

And lastly, what program should I use to edit with? I have Virtual Dub and TMPGEnc, and I have looked over the basics at VCDhelp.com on both programs.

OK, basicly MPEG2 is a pain in the a$$ to edit. So if you want to do per frames cut, stay away from MPEG2 as capture format.

1) Capture in Huffyuv (best) if you have the HD space or PIC MJPEG Codec (not that bad with Q17) if you´re limited in HD space.
2) Edit out your commercials in VDub
3) Crop, Denoise, Resize in VDub
4) Frameserve to TMPEGEnc
5) Encode to SVCD using TMPEGEnc.

This is not the easiest way but you have a lot of guide here at doom9 if you´re willing to learn and it produces very good quality. Also head over to www.vcdhelp.com and check out their guides. Also CVD might be a better solution for you instead of SVCD. They are nearly compatible to DVD (in terms of resolution. PAL: 352x576 NTSC: 352x480) and play back fine in the most standalones.

An please keep this ATI $uck$ stuff out of the forum (even if kastros reply wasn´t usefull)

-D$

[diogo6]

AS for the audio question from the second post, Leadtek has a video input, but audio needed to be run from my PVR to the sound card on my motherboard. I could use either RCA cables or SPDIF inputs. I chose the SPDIF as it is cleaner sound.

thanks for writing back, but I don't know what PVR means. And are there any sync problems? What software should I use as well?

[Darklord]

Originally posted by Darksoul71
No problem here ! This "jitter" is normaly not there on your TV due to overscan. It´s normaly "Teletext" or other informations transmitted with your TV signal like VPS (here in Germany). Just crop it off be4 encoding.

I saw some cropping features in VirtualDub(?) while experimenting the other night. I copied a few small clips and have been experimenting with them.



Also no problem. Your captured files are MPEG2 but the outfile says "InterVideo" because you have the intervideo MPEG2 playback filter (or MPEG2 capture codec) installed.

OK, basicly MPEG2 is a pain in the a$$ to edit. So if you want to do per frames cut, stay away from MPEG2 as capture format.


Cool. What if I were to use M2 Edit? I did some research, and it is supposedly a very precise editor. I saw a link for it over at VCDHelp. I am not concerned with it's 279.00 price tag if it works as I would have other uses for it.



1) Capture in Huffyuv (best) if you have the HD space or PIC MJPEG Codec (not that bad with Q17) if you´re limited in HD space.
2) Edit out your commercials in VDub
3) Crop, Denoise, Resize in VDub
4) Frameserve to TMPEGEnc
5) Encode to SVCD using TMPEGEnc.


Grabbed the HUFFYUV codec last nght, have not instaled it yet. For commercial editing, I read the guides over at VCDHelp, but they were a little thin on explanation. It appears to be that I would load a file, and make dozens of smaller files from it. For example, intro through opening credits. load file again, and cut a clip from end of first commercial set, to the second commercial set and so on. Finally jining all the individual clips to make a single 40 minute episode.

Correct?

I mean there is no program that will allow you to scroll through, find a specific timecode where a commercial starts, tag it and then scroll ahead to the end of the commercial run, tag that and then cut the tagged section out?


Also CVD might be a better solution for you instead of SVCD. They are nearly compatible to DVD (in terms of resolution. PAL: 352x576 NTSC: 352x480) and play back fine in the most standalones.


Never heard of it. I'll look into it.


An please keep this ATI $uck$ stuff out of the forum (even if kastros reply wasn´t usefull)-D$


Sorry. I just got done dealing with nightmares caused by the lousy driver support with ATI cards and frequent program crashes caused specifically by ATI drivers. Last thing I wanted to see was someone telling me I shuld have bought another ATI after JUST solving what was a major issue for me.

[Darklord]

Originally posted by diogo6
thanks for writing back, but I don't know what PVR means. And are there any sync problems? What software should I use as well?


A PVR is a Personal Video Recorder like mine, the Sony UltimateTV recorder. I record all the shows I want on it, and my intent is to capture them and burn to SVCD or even DVD as I just got a Sony DRU500A DVD-RW.

AS for software, I am working on that. AS you can see, I was asking questions on that myself.

My initial experience with the Leadtek card has been exceptional. I hooked up S-Video input for video, and SPDIF in for audio. SPDIF is a Sony/Phillips Digital Interface. exceptional quality sound.

I copied a show last night, and played it back using WinDVD 4 which came with the video card. The audio and video were perfect, the image quality was exceptional. Far better than a VHS tape would have been and the sound was crisp and clear playing back through my Altec Lansing surround sound system. My computer is based on a new Asus nForce2 Athlon system, and it has built in Dolby Digital 5.1 and 6 channel audio out built into the systems southbridge chip.

[Darksoul71]

Hi !


Cool. What if I were to use M2 Edit? I did some research, and it is supposedly a very precise editor. I saw a link for it over at VCDHelp. I am not concerned with it's 279.00 price tag if it works as I would have other uses for it.

Hm, I´ve only use MPEGVCR by Womble (hope this is the correct name). So I can´t really comment on M2 Edit. Problem with all MPEG editing tools:
MPEG2 video consists of GOPs. (Group of pictures: I-, B- and P-frames) Normaly you can only cut at I frames. Otherwise the GOP is corrupted which can lead to problems.
I´m no expert on MPEG2 editing. So this might work with M2 Edit.

For example, intro through opening credits. load file again, and cut a clip from end of first commercial set, to the second commercial set and so on. Finally jining all the individual clips to make a single 40 minute episode.
Correct?

Completely incorrect :)

1) Capture your movie to AVI. Depending on your OS you have to capture to 4 GB chunks using VDubs Spill system (if you run Win9X and FAT32). Or if you´re using NTFS you can easily capture to one big AVI file.

2) Open up the AVI in VDub.

3) Use the slider to move to your commercial (I´ve added a JPEG to the posting which has to be set free by a mod. So be patient). This slider is marked with a red 1.
Alternativly you can use the left & right cursor keys to step forward/backward frame by frame so find the exact cut point. Move to the beginning of your commercial.

4) Click on the "left" error button (2nd button beside the Frame field and marked with a red 2) to mark the beginning of your "delete" part.

5) Move to the end of the commercial (like discribed in 3).

6) Click on the "right" error button to mark the end of your "delete" part.

7) The selected part of the movie will get blue in the slider. Now hit delete and the commercial is "gone".

8) Repeat 1-7 as often as you like to make your movie "add free".

VDub does a "lossless" cutting. The movie is still complete but VDub "knows" where to cut. Use Frameserver to encode "cut" movie with TMPEGEnc.

One more hint: Cropping is "null transform" in VDub.

And on your comment refering ATI: I can understand this but I can´t stand this "ATI vrs. NVidia"- discussions anymore.

cu,
D$

P.S.: You´ll find a guide on CVD by Satstorm over at the vcdhelp.com forum under "users guide" but that´s not for newbies. You´ve been warned :)

[Darklord]

thank you so much for the jump start guide.

Is Frameserver another program? I didn't see a reference to it anywhere.

Checking out the other forums now for detailed info.

Thanks much.

[Darksoul71]

Hi !

you´re welcome :)

For frameserver see in Virtual Dub:
Press F1.
Select advanced topics and there you´ll find anything related to Frameserver support.

-D$

P.S.: Also try the search button :)